Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to determine the last name

[E Jewkes]

Thanks. That helps a lot! You're awesome Cheri. Happy Thanksgiving.
Elizabeth Jewkes

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Elizabeth CJ,
>
> Your Maria is just Maria de Jesus. She doesn't have a last name. Women
> didn't have them, especially during the mid-1800s on. Here's an article
> about naming traditions that explains it: https://goo.gl/iu7zLp
>
> Once you get used to the fact they don't have surnames, it's not a
> problem. Just set up your genealogy program so you can see the parents'
> names. Here's a snapshot of a bunch of baby Marias:
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> If I find a marriage of a Maria, born to José de Mello and Rosa da Ponte,
> I just check to see if I have her above.
>
> I also have an additional column beyond the "Mother's Name" column, called
> "Spouse's Name":
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> That also assists me in finding which Maria da Conceição that I may need.
>
> All of your stand alone genealogy programs that you purchase that live on
> your computer have some type of finding aid to assist you in determining
> who is who. Legacy is similar to the one I posted, using the column format
> above. RootsMagic shows a little snapshot of facts to the right of the
> person, showing the parents and spouse. It's just not in column format. To
> my knowledge, the tree builders on the web (Ancestry.com, My Heritage,
> Geni, etc), don't have these features. Ancestry, for example, lists the
> person's name and birth and death dates only. It makes it hard to tell
> which Maria you want.
>
> Yeah, it seems weird to enter people with no last name, but you get used
> to it.
> Good luck and happy hunting!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 6:33 AM, E Jewkes  wrote:
>
>> Dear Azores genealogy research group,
>>
>> Can anyone help me learn how to determine a person's last name,
>> especially the females? Time and time again, I find individuals to connect
>> to my tree but I can't determine a last name. Here is one example. Maria de
>> Jesus was born to Francisco Miguel de CASTRO and Maria de Jesus 1 March
>> 1842. The baptism record
>> 
>> has her name as just Maria. Her marriage record
>> 
>> has her name as Maria de Jesus. I know that quite often the Portuguese
>> would choose their last name by the time they were at marrying age. Is
>> there a rule of thumb if you can't find a last name, though?
>>
>> Elizabeth Cunha Jewkes
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Ribeirinha, SM 1900

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

And here is the one for Agostinho:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P350.html
 

Rick

 

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 12:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Ribeirinha, SM 1900

 

That's what I'd say. I wonder what it says on Deniz and Agostinho's baptisms?




Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Ok this one is different. It is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Costa and 
Maria de Sao Jose Pacheco.  #7 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P7.html
  If I am reading it correct I think it is legitimizing two children Deniz an 
Augustinho

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Ribeirinha, SM 1900

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Here is the one for Deniz 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P277.html
 

Rick

 

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Ribeirinha, SM 1900

 

That's what I'd say. I wonder what it says on Deniz and Agostinho's baptisms?




Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Ok this one is different. It is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Costa and 
Maria de Sao Jose Pacheco.  #7 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P7.html
  If I am reading it correct I think it is legitimizing two children Deniz an 
Augustinho

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Ribeirinha, SM 1900

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

They should be easy enough to find with those names. I will take a look.

Rick

 

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Ribeirinha, SM 1900

 

That's what I'd say. I wonder what it says on Deniz and Agostinho's baptisms?




Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Ok this one is different. It is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Costa and 
Maria de Sao Jose Pacheco.  #7 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P7.html
  If I am reading it correct I think it is legitimizing two children Deniz an 
Augustinho

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maiato

[JR]

Which Maiato is your ancestor? 

Matias de Sousa Maiato, along with his two brothers listed below, are the 
first of that name to appear in Rabo de Peixe. So their father, Francisco 
da Costa Maiato, who married twice, is the source of all the Maiato's of 
Rabo de Peixe.

 

*Descendants of Francisco da Costa Maiato*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  FRANCISCO DA COSTA MAIATO  was born in Ribeira Grande, Estrela, and 
died Bef. 16 Dec 1726.  He married (1) LUZIA CABRAL 05 Dec 1696 in Ribeira 
Grande, Estrela or 1694, daughter of MANUEL TEIXEIRA and MARIA CABRAL.  She 
was born in Ribeira Grande, Estrela, and died Bef. 25 Aug 1737.  He married 
(2) MARIA FRANCISCA 24 Jul 1701 in Ribeira Grande, Estrela, daughter of JOAO 
RODRIGUES SOBORAL and MARIA.  She was born in Ribeira Grande, Estrela, and 
died Aft. 16 Dec 1726.

 

Marriage Notes for FRANCISCO COSTA MAIATO and LUZIA CABRAL:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1676-1697/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1676-1697_item1/P169.html

 

Marriage Notes for FRANCISCO COSTA MAIATO and MARIA:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1697-1718/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1697-1718_item1/P44.html



Child of FRANCISCO COSTA MAIATO and LUZIA CABRAL is:

  i.MIGUEL DA COSTA MAIATO, b. Ribeira Grande, Estrela; 
m. BARBARA CORREIA DE FARIA, 25 Aug 1737, Rabo de Peixe, Senhor Bom Jesus; 
b. Rabo de Peixe, Senhor Bom Jesus.

 

Marriage Notes for MIGUEL COSTA MAIATO and BARBARA CORREIA DE FARIA:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P207.html

 



Children of FRANCISCO COSTA MAIATO and MARIA are:

2.   ii.MATIAS DA COSTA MAIATO, b. Ribeira Grande, Estrela.

 iii.MANUEL DA COSTA MAIATO, b. Ribeira Grande, 
Estrela; m. ANTONIA DA CÂMARA QUENTAL, 09 Jan 1727, Senhor Bom Jesus de 
Rabo de Peixe; b. Senhor Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe.

 

Marriage Notes for MANUEL MAIATO and ANTONIA QUENTAL:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P119.html

 

certified, Sept 12- 1792

 

 

*Generation No. 2*

 

*2.*  MATIAS DA COSTA MAIATO was born in Ribeira Grande, Estrela.  He 
married GUIOMAR DE SOUSA CABRAL 16 Dec 1726 in Senhor Bom Jesus de Rabo de 
Peixe, daughter of MANUEL FARIA and BARBARA CABRAL OR DE OLIVEIRA.  She was 
born in Senhor Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe.

 

Marriage Notes for MATIAS MAIATO and GUIOMAR CABRAL:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P118.html

 

certified Feb 3- 1792



Child of MATIAS MAIATO and GUIOMAR CABRAL is:

3.i.MATIAS DE SOUSA MAIATO, b. Senhor Bom Jesus, Rabo 
de Peixe.

 

 

*Generation No. 3*

 

*3.*  MATIAS DE SOUSA MAIATO was born in Senhor Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe.  
He married ROSA MARIA DE FARIA 29 Mar 1766 in Senhor Bom Jesus de Rabo de 
Peixe, daughter of MANUEL TEIXEIRA and VIOLANTE FARIA OR FARIAS OR SOUSA.  
She was born in Senhor Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe.



Child of MATIAS MAIATO and ROSA FARIA is:

  i.ANTONIO DA COSTA MAIATO, b. Senhor Bom Jesus, Rabo 
de Peixe; m. ANTONIA TAVARES, 02 Jul 1803, Senhor Bom Jesus de Rabo de 
Peixe; b. Senhor Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe.

 

 JR

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:14:12 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> There are quite a few Maiato's in Rabo de Peixe. They originate in Matriz 
> da Ribeira Grande with Rodrigues line, where there are quite a few more. 
> You can easily find them on Joao Luis Silva site.
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 11:51:05 PM UTC-5, joseph...@aol.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am not at all sure about how this works but I came across a discussion 
>> about the Maiato family from Said Miguel and I am interested to learn more 
>> since my Dad's family was from Rabo dePeixe there. Can anyone help?
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Ribeirinha, SM 1900

[Cheri Mello]

That's what I'd say. I wonder what it says on Deniz and Agostinho's
baptisms?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Ok this one is different. It is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Costa
> and Maria de Sao Jose Pacheco.  #7
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P7.html
> 
> If I am reading it correct I think it is legitimizing two children Deniz an
> Augustinho*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Ribeirinha, SM 1900

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Ok this one is different. It is the marriage of Manuel Francisco da Costa
and Maria de Sao Jose Pacheco.  #7
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-190
0-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P7.html  If I am reading it
correct I think it is legitimizing two children Deniz an Augustinho

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to determine the last name

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elizabeth CJ,

Your Maria is just Maria de Jesus. She doesn't have a last name. Women
didn't have them, especially during the mid-1800s on. Here's an article
about naming traditions that explains it: https://goo.gl/iu7zLp

Once you get used to the fact they don't have surnames, it's not a problem.
Just set up your genealogy program so you can see the parents' names.
Here's a snapshot of a bunch of baby Marias:
[image: Inline image 1]

If I find a marriage of a Maria, born to José de Mello and Rosa da Ponte, I
just check to see if I have her above.

I also have an additional column beyond the "Mother's Name" column, called
"Spouse's Name":
[image: Inline image 2]

That also assists me in finding which Maria da Conceição that I may need.

All of your stand alone genealogy programs that you purchase that live on
your computer have some type of finding aid to assist you in determining
who is who. Legacy is similar to the one I posted, using the column format
above. RootsMagic shows a little snapshot of facts to the right of the
person, showing the parents and spouse. It's just not in column format. To
my knowledge, the tree builders on the web (Ancestry.com, My Heritage,
Geni, etc), don't have these features. Ancestry, for example, lists the
person's name and birth and death dates only. It makes it hard to tell
which Maria you want.

Yeah, it seems weird to enter people with no last name, but you get used to
it.
Good luck and happy hunting!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 6:33 AM, E Jewkes  wrote:

> Dear Azores genealogy research group,
>
> Can anyone help me learn how to determine a person's last name, especially
> the females? Time and time again, I find individuals to connect to my tree
> but I can't determine a last name. Here is one example. Maria de Jesus was
> born to Francisco Miguel de CASTRO and Maria de Jesus 1 March 1842. The 
> baptism
> record
> 
> has her name as just Maria. Her marriage record
> 
> has her name as Maria de Jesus. I know that quite often the Portuguese
> would choose their last name by the time they were at marrying age. Is
> there a rule of thumb if you can't find a last name, though?
>
> Elizabeth Cunha Jewkes
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] How to determine the last name

[E Jewkes]

Dear Azores genealogy research group,

Can anyone help me learn how to determine a person's last name, especially
the females? Time and time again, I find individuals to connect to my tree
but I can't determine a last name. Here is one example. Maria de Jesus was
born to Francisco Miguel de CASTRO and Maria de Jesus 1 March 1842. The baptism
record

has her name as just Maria. Her marriage record

has her name as Maria de Jesus. I know that quite often the Portuguese
would choose their last name by the time they were at marrying age. Is
there a rule of thumb if you can't find a last name, though?

Elizabeth Cunha Jewkes

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