Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I thought I acknowledged the error in my earlier comments. How it got there 
I don't recall. I just made some other corrections taken from the Ribeira 
Quente casamentos index.

Bottom line, check your files against the records if you want to be 
accurate.

JR 

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 9:10:42 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yes, I have that Virginia linked to Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca 
> Rosa de Mello. But JR has her linked wrong. I think he made a typo in his 
> genealogy program because he wrote this:
> [image: image.png]
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, I have that Virginia linked to Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa
de Mello. But JR has her linked wrong. I think he made a typo in his
genealogy program because he wrote this:
[image: image.png]

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

Cheri,


Virginia is Maria Lima (Antonio's cousin and wife)'s sister:  Maria and 
Virginia are daughters of Joao Lima and Francesco Rose de Mello (herself, 
the daughter of Manoel de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia Linhares.   Antonio 
and Maira share the same great grandfather, Francisco de Mello Barboza and 
Anna Esperito.Santa.  (which has created some convolutions on Ancestry with 
me tree!)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

Elaine 

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 1:45:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> JR, Are you sure on that Virginia born on 23 Mar 1893 to Antonio de Mello 
> Barboza and Claudina de Jesus? She's not born quite 9 months after the 
> previous child (meaning Antonio and Claudina did the deed right after Rosa 
> was born...After hours of labor and giving birth her husband wanted 
> that?!?!?) I pulled this record. It's the right date, but it's not matching:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html
>
> Can you look? I think you got a case of fancy fingers there :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:53 PM Elaine Mello  > wrote:
>
>> I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the 
>> passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio 
>> and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905 
>> directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco 
>> (or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.
>>
>> Elaine 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

JR, Are you sure on that Virginia born on 23 Mar 1893 to Antonio de Mello
Barboza and Claudina de Jesus? She's not born quite 9 months after the
previous child (meaning Antonio and Claudina did the deed right after Rosa
was born...After hours of labor and giving birth her husband wanted
that?!?!?) I pulled this record. It's the right date, but it's not matching:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

Can you look? I think you got a case of fancy fingers there :)
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:53 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the
> passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio
> and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905
> directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco
> (or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.
>
> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the 
passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio 
and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905 
directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco 
(or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Of course the baptism date for Francisco should be 1859.

JR

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 2:18:48 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> Oh but there is. The pattern of births for this couple is more unusual 
> than most. Here is Francisco, who must have went on to marry because there 
> is certificate for him in 1895. I will send the rest to your email address.
>
> JR
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P95.html
>
> Francisco, born- March 27 1859, bap- April 3- 1858, filho de Joao da Silva 
> and Maria Roza, nats Ribeira Quente, Francisco Goncalo and Claudina Roza 
> filhos familias de Jose Goncalo deste lugar.
> certified, sept 3- 1895
>
> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:32:45 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>
>> hi Cheri,
>>>
>>
>>I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
>> directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
>> Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
>> brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
>> mystery there. 
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Oh but there is. The pattern of births for this couple is more unusual than 
most. Here is Francisco, who must have went on to marry because there is 
certificate for him in 1895. I will send the rest to your email address.

JR

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P95.html

Francisco, born- March 27 1859, bap- April 3- 1858, filho de Joao da Silva 
and Maria Roza, nats Ribeira Quente, Francisco Goncalo and Claudina Roza 
filhos familias de Jose Goncalo deste lugar.
certified, sept 3- 1895

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:32:45 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
> hi Cheri,
>>
>
>I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
> directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
> Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
> brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
> mystery there. 
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

>
> hi Cheri,
>

   I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
mystery there. 

Thanks for the info.

Elaine

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Thanks JR, but I'm not related to Claudina. Shirley might want them though.
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On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM JR  wrote:

> I have a couple more siblings for Claudina da Silva. Do you want me to
> send them?
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>
>> It's always the computer's fault!
>>
>> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
>> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
>> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
>> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
>> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
>> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
>> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
>> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>>
>> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I have a couple more siblings for Claudina da Silva. Do you want me to send 
them? 

JR

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
> It's always the computer's fault!
>
> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they 
> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much 
> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records 
> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I 
> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St 
> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that 
> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But 
> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>
> Elaine 
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine,

I don't even have Claudina's date of birth. I have her dad b. 28 Jan 1832
(bapt 5 Feb) in RQ. I have her mom born as c. 1817. Maybe that
approximation came from the marriage?

I have only 2 siblings for Claudina.
1) Maria (marries as Maria de Jesus Silva) b. 26 Dec 1855 RQ and bapt on
the 30th. She married 7 Feb 1877 in RQ to Joao de Sousa. They had a Maria
b. 25 May 1879 in RQ and baptized 2 June.
2) Pulqueira (spelled as Pulcheria), b. 5 May 1871 RQ and bapt. on the 9th.

That's all that I have on the siblings. I'm not related on this line. I
think the work was Shirley Allegre's.
Hope this helps, Cheri
Cheri Mello
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On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:42 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Elaine M,
>
> The 1905 (and a few years before and after) New Bedford City Directories
> has who married the year before and who owns cars. Maybe something else.
> It's in the back of the directory.
>
> I'll check later and see if I have anything on Claudina Silva. I don't
> think so, as I think I'm related to her husband's line (which is how I
> connect to you way back).
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:25 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>
>> It's always the computer's fault!
>>
>> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
>> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
>> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
>> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
>> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
>> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
>> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
>> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine M,

The 1905 (and a few years before and after) New Bedford City Directories
has who married the year before and who owns cars. Maybe something else.
It's in the back of the directory.

I'll check later and see if I have anything on Claudina Silva. I don't
think so, as I think I'm related to her husband's line (which is how I
connect to you way back).
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:25 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> It's always the computer's fault!
>
> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

It's always the computer's fault!

Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they 
immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much 
else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records 
and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I 
was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St 
trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that 
street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But 
the help you've gen so far has been great.

Elaine 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I've corrected that, thanks. Amusingly my my program said do you want to 
merge these individuals...what, what do you mean... shut up computer, I am 
the boss and never make mistakes;)

JR

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
>
>
> JR - Virginia is Maria Lima (Antonio's cousin and wife)'s sister:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine,

I did find one record but JR posted it this morning and he had 2 more kids.

The first Manuel died before the 2nd was born.  Yes, a family can have 2
(or more) Marias all alive. Typically, the oldest went by Maria and the
other(s) went by their middle (usually religious) name.

The children who did not come over on the 1902 emigration must have died
before that emigration registration date.

You'll have to check for Antonio and Claudina under Silva, as you mentioned.

Cheri Mello
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:22 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> Thank you both - I find it strange that there are two Manuels and two
> Marias, unless the older ones died before the second one was born.
> Virginia and Francisco are new ones to me as well.  Looking at the
> emigration documents, it was the older Maria who came over in 1902 and the
> second Manoel, looking at their ages on the Ellis Island documentation.  It
> may be that Francisco died on the trip over.  I don't see an obituary for
> him in Ribeira Quente, but if they were waiting to get on a boat, it could
> have been anywhere if it had indeed happened.
>
> This is great information!
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

JR - Virginia is Maria Lima (Antonio's cousin and wife)'s sister:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

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[Elaine Mello]

Thank you both - I find it strange that there are two Manuels and two 
Marias, unless the older ones died before the second one was born.  
Virginia and Francisco are new ones to me as well.  Looking at the 
emigration documents, it was the older Maria who came over in 1902 and the 
second Manuel, looking at their ages on the Ellis Island documentation.  It 
may be that Francisco died on the trip over. - he definitely left with them 
according to that link  I guess I'll never know that story.Perhaps the 
older Manuel stayed behind.  I'll have to do some more digging to see what 
I can find.  

I haven't been able to fine Antonio or Claudina's deaths in the U.S., so I 
wonder if they went back at some point.  Though given the way they all 
changed their names in the census, it might just be under Silva, which they 
used  as well.

This is great information!  Thank you so much!

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

Thank you both - I find it strange that there are two Manuels and two 
Marias, unless the older ones died before the second one was born.  
Virginia and Francisco are new ones to me as well.  Looking at the 
emigration documents, it was the older Maria who came over in 1902 and the 
second Manoel, looking at their ages on the Ellis Island documentation.  It 
may be that Francisco died on the trip over.  I don't see an obituary for 
him in Ribeira Quente, but if they were waiting to get on a boat, it could 
have been anywhere if it had indeed happened.  

This is great information!

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Here is what I have:

JR

 

*Descendants of Antonio de Melo Barbosa*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  ANTONIO DE MELO BARBOSA was born Abt. 1858 in Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.  He married CLAUDINA DE JESUS DA SILVA 16 Jul 1884 in Sao Paulo de 
Ribeira Quente, daughter of JOAO SILVA and MARIA.  She was born Abt. 1863 
in Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.



Children of ANTONIO MELO BARBOSA and CLAUDINA SILVA are:

  i.MANUEL8, b. 25 Apr 1885, Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.

  ii.MARIA, b. 17 Nov 1886, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

2.  iii.ANTONIO DE MELO, b. 26 Feb 1889, Sao Paulo de 
Ribeira Quente; d. 11 May 1958, New Bedford, MA.

 iv.JOSE, b. 09 Mar 1891, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 v.ROSA, b. 30 Jun 1892, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 vi.VIRGINIA, b. 23 Mar 1893, Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.

vii.MANUEL, b. 03 Dec 1894, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

   viii.MARIA, b. 11 Dec 1897, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 ix.JOAO DE MELO OR JOHN DE MELLO, b. 30 May 1900, Sao 
Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 x.FRANCISCO, b. 10 Feb 1902, Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.

 

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:37:34 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> They registered to leave 3 April 1902. Unless they went twice. The link I 
> gave you is 1902.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:34 PM Elaine Mello  > wrote:
>
>> thanks, Cheri -
>>
>> I looked at the immigration papers from Ellis Island and he is listed as 
>> having no years -it looks like whomever was writing down the information 
>> got the lines out of sync because it says laborer off to the right and I 
>> thought it was a different person, but it does look like he came over with 
>> the family in 1901.  Interesting find!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:21:03 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
>>> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>>>
>>> I'll see if I have him in my program.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>>
 I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather 
 was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in 
 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in 
 the 
 tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who 
 was previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm 
 that I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html

 Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born 
 May 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the 
 date in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the 
 relatives match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right 
 Joao.  If anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly 
 appreciate it.

 I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the 
 priest had good penmanship for a change!  

 Thanks in advance!

 Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

They registered to leave 3 April 1902. Unless they went twice. The link I
gave you is 1902.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:34 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> thanks, Cheri -
>
> I looked at the immigration papers from Ellis Island and he is listed as
> having no years -it looks like whomever was writing down the information
> got the lines out of sync because it says laborer off to the right and I
> thought it was a different person, but it does look like he came over with
> the family in 1901.  Interesting find!
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:21:03 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
>> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>>
>> I'll see if I have him in my program.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather
>>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in
>>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the
>>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who
>>> was previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm
>>> that I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>>
>>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born
>>> May 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the
>>> date in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the
>>> relatives match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right
>>> Joao.  If anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly
>>> appreciate it.
>>>
>>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest
>>> had good penmanship for a change!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

thanks, Cheri -

I looked at the immigration papers from Ellis Island and he is listed as 
having no years -it looks like whomever was writing down the information 
got the lines out of sync because it says laborer off to the right and I 
thought it was a different person, but it does look like he came over with 
the family in 1901.  Interesting find!


On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:21:03 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>
> I'll see if I have him in my program.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  > wrote:
>
>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather 
>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in 
>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the 
>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who was 
>> previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm that 
>> I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>
>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born May 
>> 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the date 
>> in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the relatives 
>> match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right Joao.  If 
>> anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest 
>> had good penmanship for a change!  
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Elaine 
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine,

I have your grandfather as one of 8 (that I know about).
[image: image.png]

Cheri Mello
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:27 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> OK, I had him. I have the emigration out of the Azores too:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902_item1/P113.html
>
> Middle of the page, passport # 534
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:20 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
>> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>>
>> I'll see if I have him in my program.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather
>>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in
>>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the
>>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who
>>> was previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm
>>> that I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>>
>>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born
>>> May 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the
>>> date in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the
>>> relatives match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right
>>> Joao.  If anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly
>>> appreciate it.
>>>
>>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest
>>> had good penmanship for a change!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

OK, I had him. I have the emigration out of the Azores too:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902_item1/P113.html

Middle of the page, passport # 534
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:20 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>
> I'll see if I have him in my program.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>
>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather
>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in
>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the
>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who was
>> previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm that
>> I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>
>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born May
>> 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the date
>> in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the relatives
>> match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right Joao.  If
>> anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest
>> had good penmanship for a change!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather was 
a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in 
1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the 
tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who was 
previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm that 
I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html

Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born May 
31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the date 
in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the relatives 
match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right Joao.  If 
anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly appreciate it.

I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest 
had good penmanship for a change!  

Thanks in advance!

Elaine 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please for Rosa b.28/1/1895

[linda]

I believe his last name is “ da Rosa Cabelleira”. The parents were married in 
New Bedford.

Hope that helps, 

:)

Linda

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please for Rosa b.28/1/1895

[Pamela Hand]

Please can anyone help with Record no.2 page on left. Not sure of father’s last 
name Manuel Pereira da Rosa Cab? It appears he came from Pico.
Also not understanding the reference to New Bedford for Maria, the mother, who 
I thought was born in Ponta Delgada. 
Does anyone have more information on Rosa’s grandparents Jose Goncalo de Fraga 
(my 2x great uncle b.14/11/1828) and his wife Maria Margarida de curaçao de 
Jesus and their descendants? Here is the link:

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1881-1897/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1881-1897_item1/P204.html

Thanks for any help
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please, baptismo's Francisco and Jacinto Furtado

['Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy]

for Francisco here is the link: right side of page

It appears he was born Oct 4, 1822. Padrinho: is it Antonio Tiberio or 
Riberio?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1821-1825/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1821-1825_item1/P101.html

for Jacinto - left side of page:

born Feb. 1826, is the padrinho Antonio Jose Monis/Moniz?

As always, thank you for any help you can give,

Lillian

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please.

[Sandra Perez]

Joseph de Mattos fo Simam de Ponte and Barbara de Sousa married Maria de
Amaral va Joam da Costa Furtado 28 Jun 1736.  Does it state Joam da Costa's
Furtado's village?  I see NS do Rosario mentioned.  Right side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1731-1780/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1731-1780_item1/P36.html

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please.

[Sandra Perez]

On 23 Nov 1596 Domingos Jorge married Agada Rois. Domnigos parents Jorge
Alves? and Felipa Gtz?  Agada's parents Felipo Rois and Francisca Pires?  I
think it states they are living in this Villa.  Cannot understand what is
says after that. Sencond entry on right side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1585-1625/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1585-1625_item1/P43.html


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please.

[Sandra Perez]

I think the padrinho is Reverend Antonio Gomes Tavares.  Is he the son of
the Manoel da Costa Branquinho that is mentioned?  Top left.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please.

[Cheri Mello]

Maria. Her parents are not mentioned. Only her husband. I don't see any
Antonio da Silva. I have no idea where you are seeing "donzela." I don't
think that's a Portuguese word.

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> Maria or Manoel? fa? Manoel Pereira Seixas (deceased)?  mentions "donzela"
> and Antonio da Silva.  Top right.
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please.

[Sandra Perez]

Sorry Cheri, I meant top left.  Doesn't  "donzela" mean a maiden girl?

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Maria. Her parents are not mentioned. Only her husband. I don't see any
> Antonio da Silva. I have no idea where you are seeing "donzela." I don't
> think that's a Portuguese word.
>
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>
>> Maria or Manoel? fa? Manoel Pereira Seixas (deceased)?  mentions
>> "donzela" and Antonio da Silva.  Top right.
>>
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please.

[Sandra Perez]

Maria or Manoel? fa? Manoel Pereira Seixas (deceased)?  mentions "donzela"
and Antonio da Silva.  Top right.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please--faded.

[Sandra Perez]

Manoel Furtado Seixas and Maria Pereira.  The child's name is Maria.  Is
this an adopted child?
Bottom right.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please. Very difficult.

[Margaret Vicente]

The child of eight days baptized March 7? 1659 son of one of the slaves by
the name of Maria of (belonging to) Barbara of Sao Goncalo (S. Goncalo is
the name of the area/place in S. Pedro) The Godfather was Sebastiao do Rego
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> Sebastiao's birth--bottom right.  I think I see Goncalo Frz or Joao
> Goncalo Frz and maybe Barbara.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please. Very difficult.

[Sandra Perez]

   Thank you so much.

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> The child of eight days baptized March 7? 1659 son of one of the slaves by
> the name of Maria of (belonging to) Barbara of Sao Goncalo (S. Goncalo is
> the name of the area/place in S. Pedro) The Godfather was Sebastiao do Rego
> son of Francisco Martins
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>
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>> Sebastiao's birth--bottom right.  I think I see Goncalo Frz or Joao
>> Goncalo Frz and maybe Barbara.
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1643-1667/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1643-1667_item1/P90.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please. Very difficult.

[Cheri Mello]

I'd guess the 7th too.

Slaves don't seem very common to me. Most of the population seemed to be
poor back then. Others who know the history better should probably start a
new thread and discuss that question there, as we are veering off topic
here from this translation.

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>Thank you so much.
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Margaret Vicente <
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>> The child of eight days baptized March 7? 1659 son of one of the slaves
>> by the name of Maria of (belonging to) Barbara of Sao Goncalo (S. Goncalo
>> is the name of the area/place in S. Pedro) The Godfather was Sebastiao do
>> Rego son of Francisco Martins
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sebastiao's birth--bottom right.  I think I see Goncalo Frz or Joao
>>> Goncalo Frz and maybe Barbara.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1643-1667/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1643-1667_item1/P90.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please. Very difficult.

[linda]

Wonderful!  thanks :)

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> The child of eight days baptized March 7? 1659 son of one of the slaves by 
> the name of Maria of (belonging to) Barbara of Sao Goncalo (S. Goncalo is 
> the name of the area/place in S. Pedro) The Godfather was Sebastiao do Rego 
> son of Francisco Martins
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>
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Sandra Perez  > wrote:
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>> Sebastiao's birth--bottom right.  I think I see Goncalo Frz or Joao 
>> Goncalo Frz and maybe Barbara.
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1643-1667/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1643-1667_item1/P90.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please. Very difficult.

[Sandra Perez]

Sebastiao's birth--bottom right.  I think I see Goncalo Frz or Joao Goncalo
Frz and maybe Barbara.



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