Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
Doug, I don't know what you mean by nearly 100%, it would depend a lot of the custom of the place/people. Catholics, in general, do not have this custom. Unless, as someone mentioned, the person was baptized as an adult or maybe right before dying. But I never heard of such a custom in Brazil. Roberta On Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:38:44 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: MaryAnn, That's how almost everyone was buried - nearly 100%. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: MaryAnn Santos ma...@nyu.edu javascript: Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 9:32 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments. Thank you for your help! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kami...@comcast.net javascript: wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
I think we need to be careful about reading too much into burial in a white shroud. I have seen some death records that state the deceased was buried in a white shroud (usually a bed sheet /lençol: she was wrapped in a bed sheet because she had nothing else in which to be buried...) because they simply were so poor they had nothing but rags to wear. I also think that sometimes, providing the deceased with a full set of clothes might have been a luxury, especially if you had a lot of children, some of whom approaching adolesence, who could really benefit from the hand me downs. On Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:08 PM, robertaing...@gmail.com robertaing...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I don't know what you mean by nearly 100%, it would depend a lot of the custom of the place/people. Catholics, in general, do not have this custom. Unless, as someone mentioned, the person was baptized as an adult or maybe right before dying. But I never heard of such a custom in Brazil. Roberta On Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:38:44 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: MaryAnn, That's how almost everyone was buried - nearly 100%. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: MaryAnn Santos ma...@nyu.edu Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 9:32 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments. Thank you for your help! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kami...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
Would that be the case if there's no mention of lençol? The phrase used is enamuma sepultado no corpo depois.. what follows depois looks like dum volto en huã mortalha but I can't quite make it out. MaryAnn http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839_item1/P125.html On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com wrote: I think we need to be careful about reading too much into burial in a white shroud. I have seen some death records that state the deceased was buried in a white shroud (usually a bed sheet /lençol: she was wrapped in a bed sheet because she had nothing else in which to be buried...) because they simply were so poor they had nothing but rags to wear. I also think that sometimes, providing the deceased with a full set of clothes might have been a luxury, especially if you had a lot of children, some of whom approaching adolesence, who could really benefit from the hand me downs. On Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:08 PM, robertaing...@gmail.com robertaing...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I don't know what you mean by nearly 100%, it would depend a lot of the custom of the place/people. Catholics, in general, do not have this custom. Unless, as someone mentioned, the person was baptized as an adult or maybe right before dying. But I never heard of such a custom in Brazil. Roberta On Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:38:44 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: MaryAnn, That's how almost everyone was buried - nearly 100%. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: MaryAnn Santos ma...@nyu.edu Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 9:32 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments. Thank you for your help! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kami...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
Hi Roberta,That's very interesting that it is not found like that in Brasil.It's found like that in all the Azores. If you are familiar with the CCA images, just pick any freguesia and any obito from maybe 1800 on back (the newer ones from 1860 to 1911 don't mention this) and look at any one record to find it. If anyone on the entire page is NOT listed like that I will be surprised.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: robertaing...@gmail.com Date: Thu, October 09, 2014 10:08 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Doug, I don't know what you mean by nearly 100%, it would depend a lot of the custom of the place/people. Catholics, in general, do not have this custom. Unless, as someone mentioned, the person was baptized as an adult or maybe right before dying. But I never heard of such a custom in Brazil.Roberta -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
On Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:53:11 AM UTC-7, Maryann Santos wrote: Would that be the case if there's no mention of lençol? The phrase used is enamuma sepultado no corpo depois.. what follows depois looks like dum volto en huã mortalha but I can't quite make it out. MaryAnn http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839_item1/P125.html E sepultado o seu corpo depois de envolto em uma mortalha branca. His body was buried after being wrapped in a white shroud Is this a child? If I understood it is a baby of about 1 year old. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: I think we need to be careful about reading too much into burial in a white shroud. I have seen some death records that state the deceased was buried in a white shroud (usually a bed sheet /lençol: she was wrapped in a bed sheet because she had nothing else in which to be buried...) because they simply were so poor they had nothing but rags to wear. I also think that sometimes, providing the deceased with a full set of clothes might have been a luxury, especially if you had a lot of children, some of whom approaching adolesence, who could really benefit from the hand me downs. On Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:08 PM, robert...@gmail.com javascript: robert...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Doug, I don't know what you mean by nearly 100%, it would depend a lot of the custom of the place/people. Catholics, in general, do not have this custom. Unless, as someone mentioned, the person was baptized as an adult or maybe right before dying. But I never heard of such a custom in Brazil. Roberta On Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:38:44 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: MaryAnn, That's how almost everyone was buried - nearly 100%. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: MaryAnn Santos ma...@nyu.edu Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 9:32 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments. Thank you for your help! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kami...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 ma...@nyu.edu javascript: Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
My GGG Grandfather died in 1829, Sao Jorge. This from his obito: seo corpo foi involto em abito de saial de uso dos religiozos de São Francisco... His body was dressed with the habit of St. Francis... Mary On Thursday, October 9, 2014, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com wrote: I think we need to be careful about reading too much into burial in a white shroud. I have seen some death records that state the deceased was buried in a white shroud (usually a bed sheet /lençol: she was wrapped in a bed sheet because she had nothing else in which to be buried...) because they simply were so poor they had nothing but rags to wear. I also think that sometimes, providing the deceased with a full set of clothes might have been a luxury, especially if you had a lot of children, some of whom approaching adolesence, who could really benefit from the hand me downs. On Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:08 PM, robertaing...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robertaing...@gmail.com'); robertaing...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robertaing...@gmail.com'); wrote: Doug, I don't know what you mean by nearly 100%, it would depend a lot of the custom of the place/people. Catholics, in general, do not have this custom. Unless, as someone mentioned, the person was baptized as an adult or maybe right before dying. But I never heard of such a custom in Brazil. Roberta On Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:38:44 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: MaryAnn, That's how almost everyone was buried - nearly 100%. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: MaryAnn Santos ma...@nyu.edu Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 9:32 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments. Thank you for your help! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kami...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
... Cruz [crossed out] e na[munca??] sepultado su corpo depois [d'um volto/ d'emvolto] en [sua?] mortalha branca... Perhaps volto pertains to wrapping, literally turning, the shroud aka the winding sheet. I don't know; I'm not a native speaker. Linda On Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:53:11 AM UTC-7, Maryann Santos wrote: Would that be the case if there's no mention of lençol? The phrase used is enamuma sepultado no corpo depois.. what follows depois looks like dum volto en huã mortalha but I can't quite make it out. MaryAnn http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839_item1/P125.html *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 ma...@nyu.edu javascript: Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
I'm with John M R, I have seen quite a few of these obitos with the same wording, and it should not be read as a Jewish or Muslim custom, even if they have their own such custom. I have only seen one reference to Jewish ancestry in all my years of researching Sao Miguel, and it was plainly stated. The people involved were more recent, the 1800's and they were from Morocco. That many of us have connections to Jewish ancestry, I have no doubt, but we cannot simply jump to conclusions without some evidence, especially in more recent times. JR On Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:53:41 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote: My GGG Grandfather died in 1829, Sao Jorge. This from his obito: seo corpo foi involto em abito de saial de uso dos religiozos de São Francisco... His body was dressed with the habit of St. Francis... Mary On Thursday, October 9, 2014, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: I think we need to be careful about reading too much into burial in a white shroud. I have seen some death records that state the deceased was buried in a white shroud (usually a bed sheet /lençol: she was wrapped in a bed sheet because she had nothing else in which to be buried...) because they simply were so poor they had nothing but rags to wear. I also think that sometimes, providing the deceased with a full set of clothes might have been a luxury, especially if you had a lot of children, some of whom approaching adolesence, who could really benefit from the hand me downs. On Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:08 PM, robertaing...@gmail.com robertaing...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I don't know what you mean by nearly 100%, it would depend a lot of the custom of the place/people. Catholics, in general, do not have this custom. Unless, as someone mentioned, the person was baptized as an adult or maybe right before dying. But I never heard of such a custom in Brazil. Roberta On Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:38:44 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: MaryAnn, That's how almost everyone was buried - nearly 100%. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: MaryAnn Santos ma...@nyu.edu Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 9:32 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments. Thank you for your help! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kami...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Usually the deceased is covered with a lace sheet (like this: http://goo.gl/q6VQGE) al over the body, and sometimes a smaller one over the face. 2014-10-09 20:50 GMT+01:00 linda menesesli...@gmail.com: ... Cruz [crossed out] e na[munca??] sepultado su corpo depois [d'um volto/ d'emvolto] en [sua?] mortalha branca... Perhaps volto pertains to wrapping, literally turning, the shroud aka the winding sheet. I don't know; I'm not a native speaker. Linda On Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:53:11 AM UTC-7, Maryann Santos wrote: Would that be the case if there's no mention of lençol? The phrase used is enamuma sepultado no corpo depois.. what follows depois looks like dum volto en huã mortalha but I can't quite make it out. MaryAnn http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-O-1817-1839_item1/P125.html *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 ma...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
Me too, JR. I never put much thought into the comments about how they were wrapped at death. Just a curiosity for me. And there's no way it is some custom taken from another religion, unless it's just a coincidence. If you read the wording on applications to the priesthood, it's a pure hatred of anything other than Catholics. It's built into the system. Even if everyone has some small percentage of Jewish, Arab, Black, Indian, etc. DNA, they converted to the "right" religion long ago and that's enough for them.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: JR jmro...@gmail.com Date: Thu, October 09, 2014 5:55 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com I'm with John M R, I have seen quite a few of these obitos with the same wording, and it should not be read as a Jewish or Muslim custom, even if they have their own such custom. I have only seen one reference to Jewish ancestry in all my years of researching Sao Miguel, and it was plainly stated. The people involved were more recent, the 1800's and they were from Morocco. That many of us have connections to Jewish ancestry, I have no doubt, but we cannot simply jump to conclusions without some evidence, especially in more recent times.JROn Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:53:41 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:My GGG Grandfather died in 1829, Sao Jorge. This from his obito:seo corpo foi involto em abito de saial de uso dos religiozos de São Francisco... His body was dressed with the habit of St. Francis...Mary On Thursday, October 9, 2014, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com wrote:I think we need to be careful about reading too much into burial in a white shroud. I have seen some death records that state the deceased was buried in a white shroud (usually a bed sheet /lençol: "she was wrapped in a bed sheet because she had nothing else in which to be buried...") because they simply were so poor they had nothing but rags to wear. I also think that sometimes, providing the deceased with a full set of clothes might have been a luxury, especially if you had a lot of children, some of whom approaching adolesence, who could really benefit from the "hand me downs." -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Thank you, Rick, for this in depth answer. It's very helpful. I just found it odd because I've never run across such a description in an obitos before. MaryAnn On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: *The religious significance of the white shroud is that it represents the Baptismal garment. When a person (Adults) are baptized in the Catholic Church they are given a white garment (Most parents have their babies dressed in a white dress). It represents their clothing themselves in Christ and are told to bring it unstained to the judgment seat of Jesus Christ. At the start of any Catholic Funeral a white Shroud is placed over the Casket before it enters the Church thus representing the unstained garment.* *Rick* *Richard Francis Pimentel* *Epping, NH* *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *MaryAnn Santos *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:32 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments. Thank you for your help! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kamis...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
The religious significance of the white shroud is that it represents the Baptismal garment. When a person (Adults) are baptized in the Catholic Church they are given a white garment (Most parents have their babies dressed in a white dress). It represents their clothing themselves in Christ and are told to bring it unstained to the judgment seat of Jesus Christ. At the start of any Catholic Funeral a white Shroud is placed over the Casket before it enters the Church thus representing the unstained garment. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MaryAnn Santos Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:32 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments. Thank you for your help! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kamis...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- MaryAnn Santos Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at Twitter / https://twitter.com/NYUart @NYUart Instagram / http://instagram.com/nyuart @nyuart Facebook / https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389 NYU Art Department -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments. Thank you for your help! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kamis...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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MaryAnn,That's how almost everyone was buried - nearly 100%.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 9:32 am To: azores@googlegroups.com How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments.Thank you for your help!On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kamis...@comcast.net wrote:Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Fascinating. I haven't spent as much time research Óbitos as I have births and marriages so the description was a surprise . Thank you for the info. On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 1:02 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Other countries don't give such descriptive obits, but I think there is a chance it was normal in much of Europe. Maybe Spanish obits would describe it. I know the Spanish language records in Chile are similar in detail to those of Portugal, so maybe any country that speaks Spanish and is Catholic might have similar customs. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 9:57 am To: azores@googlegroups.com I wasn't aware of that and I had never before seen that language in an obitos. Thank you so much - there's always something new to learn! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:38 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: MaryAnn, That's how almost everyone was buried - nearly 100%. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos From: MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 9:32 am To: azores@googlegroups.com How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments. Thank you for your help! On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kamis...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
