Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEPS - Pico families
As I understand the project, groups of graduate students deciphered the parish books and entered them into a database. The relationships were determined by the algorithim of the program they were entered into. The human intervention has corrected many of the inconsistancies. You will find the ability to modify the notes , helping to fix the errors. At the bottom of the each parish group page you can see the links: *You can:* *add a family* *modify the notes* Eric Edgar On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Yea, Rosemarie. What gets me is understanding the thought process of why a person's birth is listed by NEPS but without any parents when both parents are stated. They have made the terrible decision to not name the parents when the father is incognito. I wonder why. Sometimes they get too confused, it seems, and just give up and don't list the parents when they are clearly written in the marriage record. I have been working a lot on the Ribeiras, Pico records where there is that very large gap in the marriages of the 1700s. This gap has led to so many mistakes by NEPS. And where is the logic when the mother is having children in her 60s or older? There are some instances where couples with similar names are not distinguished and so they lump all the kids into one family, sometime resulting in siblings just a month or so apart. Pretty good trick, I think. One needs to use a large amount of caution especially when linking the families they have linked together. And when you see a person with many names that don't agree with the record you are verifying, use extreme caution or you'll end up with garbage for a family tree. I have found many new cousins who are descendants of my remote ancestors in Ribeiras, so this is very satisfying to me. My goal is to bridge the gap for all families there and I have been very successful so far. If anyone is stuck with their Ribeiras, Pico ancestors and want to learn their older ancestors beyond the gap in the 1700s, feel free to contact me for professional help. For that matter, anywhere on Pico or Terceira is where I specialize. And for general interest, you can find many interesting things of value to the researcher on my website below. And I wonder how many people with Faial ancestors realize it's practically a guarantee they also have many Pico ancestors as you trace them back in time. In fact, I would be surprised if there is even one person who can tell me their Faial ancestor born in the 1800s has no links back to Pico. Good luck. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria From: rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com Date: Thu, February 13, 2014 11:53 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Who knows Diane. You just have to keep verifying things from the original documents. There are many errors in the NEPS database but at least it's a place to start your search. Good luck! Rosemarie *From:* Diane Geoge digeorg...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:46 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria Thanks. I think you are right. It's funny that it appears that way in two databases--must have been the same person analyzing it. I have more mysteries with this line, but I will keep going to see if I can solve them. Diane *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.comazores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *rcapodc *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:56 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria Diane, It's Manuel Ferreira and sua mulher (his wife) Maria Theresa! Whoever extracted the info took the sua as a surname! Rosemarie *From:* Diane Geoge digeorg...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:27 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria Hi, I located this record on CCA, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1748-1775/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1748-1775_item1/P292.html. The record I am interested in is on the upper right side. I believe it is for Maria, daughter of Manuel ? and Maria Teresa. The name that is causing difficulty is that of the father. In the NEPS database for Madalena and for Sao Mateus/Sao Caetano, he is listed as Manuel Ferreira Surra, but the last name looks more like an abbreviated version of Silva or Silveira to me. The middle name is also abbreviated and I am not sure if the abbreviation is for Ferreira or Faria. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEPS - Pico families
Doug, My family traces back to Ribeiras also. Silveira, Soares, Cardoso, Pereira, Melo, Fiahlo, Goulart. I have them back to the early 1700s. Private mail me to collaborate. Eric Edgar On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Yea, Rosemarie. What gets me is understanding the thought process of why a person's birth is listed by NEPS but without any parents when both parents are stated. They have made the terrible decision to not name the parents when the father is incognito. I wonder why. Sometimes they get too confused, it seems, and just give up and don't list the parents when they are clearly written in the marriage record. I have been working a lot on the Ribeiras, Pico records where there is that very large gap in the marriages of the 1700s. This gap has led to so many mistakes by NEPS. And where is the logic when the mother is having children in her 60s or older? There are some instances where couples with similar names are not distinguished and so they lump all the kids into one family, sometime resulting in siblings just a month or so apart. Pretty good trick, I think. One needs to use a large amount of caution especially when linking the families they have linked together. And when you see a person with many names that don't agree with the record you are verifying, use extreme caution or you'll end up with garbage for a family tree. I have found many new cousins who are descendants of my remote ancestors in Ribeiras, so this is very satisfying to me. My goal is to bridge the gap for all families there and I have been very successful so far. If anyone is stuck with their Ribeiras, Pico ancestors and want to learn their older ancestors beyond the gap in the 1700s, feel free to contact me for professional help. For that matter, anywhere on Pico or Terceira is where I specialize. And for general interest, you can find many interesting things of value to the researcher on my website below. And I wonder how many people with Faial ancestors realize it's practically a guarantee they also have many Pico ancestors as you trace them back in time. In fact, I would be surprised if there is even one person who can tell me their Faial ancestor born in the 1800s has no links back to Pico. Good luck. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria From: rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com Date: Thu, February 13, 2014 11:53 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Who knows Diane. You just have to keep verifying things from the original documents. There are many errors in the NEPS database but at least it's a place to start your search. Good luck! Rosemarie *From:* Diane Geoge digeorg...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:46 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria Thanks. I think you are right. It's funny that it appears that way in two databases--must have been the same person analyzing it. I have more mysteries with this line, but I will keep going to see if I can solve them. Diane *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.comazores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *rcapodc *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:56 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria Diane, It's Manuel Ferreira and sua mulher (his wife) Maria Theresa! Whoever extracted the info took the sua as a surname! Rosemarie *From:* Diane Geoge digeorg...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:27 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria Hi, I located this record on CCA, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1748-1775/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1748-1775_item1/P292.html. The record I am interested in is on the upper right side. I believe it is for Maria, daughter of Manuel ? and Maria Teresa. The name that is causing difficulty is that of the father. In the NEPS database for Madalena and for Sao Mateus/Sao Caetano, he is listed as Manuel Ferreira Surra, but the last name looks more like an abbreviated version of Silva or Silveira to me. The middle name is also abbreviated and I am not sure if the abbreviation is for Ferreira or Faria. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEPS - Pico families
Doug, I know, it is so frustrating when using the NEPS site because of the pai incognito and other things! Everyone using the site just needs to be very careful about accepting what is there. They need to verify through the original documents when possible. I helped a friend, a couple of weeks ago, look for a marriage record. When we found the record it stated that the marrying couple were cousins! That is a very important piece of information to have that was not shown on the index. I guess it’s like any other index, use it as a guide and look for yourself! Rosemarie From: luiznoia . Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 8:39 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEPS - Pico families Doug, My family traces back to Ribeiras also. Silveira, Soares, Cardoso, Pereira, Melo, Fiahlo, Goulart. I have them back to the early 1700s. Private mail me to collaborate. Eric Edgar On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Yea, Rosemarie. What gets me is understanding the thought process of why a person's birth is listed by NEPS but without any parents when both parents are stated. They have made the terrible decision to not name the parents when the father is incognito. I wonder why. Sometimes they get too confused, it seems, and just give up and don't list the parents when they are clearly written in the marriage record. I have been working a lot on the Ribeiras, Pico records where there is that very large gap in the marriages of the 1700s. This gap has led to so many mistakes by NEPS. And where is the logic when the mother is having children in her 60s or older? There are some instances where couples with similar names are not distinguished and so they lump all the kids into one family, sometime resulting in siblings just a month or so apart. Pretty good trick, I think. One needs to use a large amount of caution especially when linking the families they have linked together. And when you see a person with many names that don't agree with the record you are verifying, use extreme caution or you'll end up with garbage for a family tree. I have found many new cousins who are descendants of my remote ancestors in Ribeiras, so this is very satisfying to me. My goal is to bridge the gap for all families there and I have been very successful so far. If anyone is stuck with their Ribeiras, Pico ancestors and want to learn their older ancestors beyond the gap in the 1700s, feel free to contact me for professional help. For that matter, anywhere on Pico or Terceira is where I specialize. And for general interest, you can find many interesting things of value to the researcher on my website below. And I wonder how many people with Faial ancestors realize it's practically a guarantee they also have many Pico ancestors as you trace them back in time. In fact, I would be surprised if there is even one person who can tell me their Faial ancestor born in the 1800s has no links back to Pico. Good luck. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria From: rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com Date: Thu, February 13, 2014 11:53 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Who knows Diane. You just have to keep verifying things from the original documents. There are many errors in the NEPS database but at least it’s a place to start your search. Good luck! Rosemarie From: Diane Geoge Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:46 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria Thanks. I think you are right. It’s funny that it appears that way in two databases—must have been the same person analyzing it. I have more mysteries with this line, but I will keep going to see if I can solve them. Diane From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rcapodc Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:56 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria Diane, It’s Manuel Ferreira and sua mulher (his wife) Maria Theresa! Whoever extracted the info took the sua as a surname! Rosemarie From: Diane Geoge Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:27 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria Hi, I located this record on CCA, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1748-1775/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1748-1775_item1/P292.html. The record I am interested in is on the upper right side. I believe it is for Maria, daughter of Manuel ? and Maria Teresa. The name that is causing difficulty is that of the father. In the NEPS database for Madalena and for Sao Mateus/Sao Caetano, he is listed as Manuel
