Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[Annie]

Thank you!

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> On May 6, 2019, at 12:04 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Annie,
> 
> Bill S. already posted Margarida's baptism record (yes, we use baptisms in 
> place of birth records). You are a Gmail user. Look for responses from Bill 
> where he posted the link for you.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 9:02 PM Annie  wrote:
>> Thank you, Joe.
>> Where did you see my grandmother’s birth record?
>> Is that the same as Baptism?
>> Can you send it to me or send me a link?
>> Thank you, so much.
>> Annie
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2019, at 5:30 AM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Margarida's birth record it says her parents were living on Travessa dos 
>>> Milagres this is the street name.
>>> these are snips are taken from the town of Arrifes,Ponta Delgada
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>>> 
 On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:16 AM  wrote:
 Yes I did it exactly as Cheri said.  Through this list she and others have 
 taught many, including me.  Six years ago it all looked like scribble to 
 me and I had to completely rely on list members.  This is an outstanding 
 site.
 
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
> It takes practice to learn to read the writing. And it's not hard to find 
> once you get the correct pieces of information. Although Annie did not 
> state a date for arrival in America, she had enough information. Bill 
> most likely looked up the arrival in America on Ancestry, then went over 
> to the Azorean passaportes and started looking backwards from that date, 
> looking for a Margarida. It would have taken him longer if he was looking 
> for a Maria! Anyways, the more you read the records (or take a look at 
> what people transcribe here), the better you get at reading them.
> 
> In Salt Lake in June, we have over 20 hours of classes and more than 10 
> hours of research assistance :) People start to get the hang of it, as we 
> get less and less questions on how to read as the conference gets to the 
> end. We think that's a good thing :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 9:03 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi Bill!
>> 
>> You have done this to get me started, too.  What makes it so quick for 
>> you to get results?  Is it because you read Portuguese?  São Miguel, for 
>> example, has so many villages. Do you look from one to the next for the 
>> whole island?  
>> 
>> It amazes me that you are so fast with something that is taking me 
>> months to do.  
>> 
>> Debbie
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM  wrote:
>>> I just realized there was no Aub in 1989 so the baptism date is 
>>> probably 28 Aug 1898
>>> 
>>> 
 On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:s13:27 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Annie,
 
 I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub 
 1989 in Arrifes (#202 on the right side):
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html
 
 Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
 Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel 
 de Benevides and Maria Cabral
 Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and 
 Maria de Jesus
 Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella
 
 Bill Seidler
 
 
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like 
> a husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three 
> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven 
> people in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth 
> departing Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name 
> Cabral for the first four of them.  This shows they are all from 
> Arrifes.
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
> 
> Bill Seidler
> 
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her 
>> parents were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides 
>> Cabral.
>> They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[Cheri Mello]

Annie,

Bill S. already posted Margarida's baptism record (yes, we use baptisms in
place of birth records). You are a Gmail user. Look for responses from Bill
where he posted the link for you.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 9:02 PM Annie  wrote:

> Thank you, Joe.
> Where did you see my grandmother’s birth record?
> Is that the same as Baptism?
> Can you send it to me or send me a link?
> Thank you, so much.
> Annie
>
> On May 5, 2019, at 5:30 AM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>
> On Margarida's birth record it says her parents were living on Travessa
> dos Milagres this is the street name.
> these are snips are taken from the town of Arrifes,Ponta Delgada
>
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avg.com
> 
> <#m_8365521749703485267_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:16 AM  wrote:
>
>> Yes I did it exactly as Cheri said.  Through this list she and others
>> have taught many, including me.  Six years ago it all looked like scribble
>> to me and I had to completely rely on list members.  This is an outstanding
>> site.
>>
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> It takes practice to learn to read the writing. And it's not hard to
>>> find once you get the correct pieces of information. Although Annie did not
>>> state a date for arrival in America, she had enough information. Bill most
>>> likely looked up the arrival in America on Ancestry, then went over to the
>>> Azorean passaportes and started looking backwards from that date, looking
>>> for a Margarida. It would have taken him longer if he was looking for a
>>> Maria! Anyways, the more you read the records (or take a look at what
>>> people transcribe here), the better you get at reading them.
>>>
>>> In Salt Lake in June, we have over 20 hours of classes and more than 10
>>> hours of research assistance :) People start to get the hang of it, as we
>>> get less and less questions on how to read as the conference gets to the
>>> end. We think that's a good thing :)
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 9:03 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>>> jessdeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bill!

 You have done this to get me started, too.  What makes it so quick for
 you to get results?  Is it because you read Portuguese?  São Miguel, for
 example, has so many villages. Do you look from one to the next for the
 whole island?

 It amazes me that you are so fast with something that is taking me
 months to do.

 Debbie


 On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM  wrote:

> I just realized there was no Aub in 1989 so the baptism date is
> probably 28 Aug 1898
>
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:s13:27 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Annie,
>>
>> I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub
>> 1989 in Arrifes (#202 on the right side):
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html
>>
>> Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
>> Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel
>> de Benevides and Maria Cabral
>> Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and
>> Maria de Jesus
>> Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like
>>> a husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three
>>> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven 
>>> people
>>> in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing
>>> Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for 
>>> the
>>> first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:


 Hello:
 My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her
 parents were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides 
 Cabral.
 They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[Annie]

Thank you, Joe.
Where did you see my grandmother’s birth record?
Is that the same as Baptism?
Can you send it to me or send me a link?
Thank you, so much.
Annie

> On May 5, 2019, at 5:30 AM, Joe Matias  wrote:
> 
> On Margarida's birth record it says her parents were living on Travessa dos 
> Milagres this is the street name.
> these are snips are taken from the town of Arrifes,Ponta Delgada
> 
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avg.com
> 
>> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:16 AM  wrote:
>> Yes I did it exactly as Cheri said.  Through this list she and others have 
>> taught many, including me.  Six years ago it all looked like scribble to me 
>> and I had to completely rely on list members.  This is an outstanding site.
>> 
>>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> It takes practice to learn to read the writing. And it's not hard to find 
>>> once you get the correct pieces of information. Although Annie did not 
>>> state a date for arrival in America, she had enough information. Bill most 
>>> likely looked up the arrival in America on Ancestry, then went over to the 
>>> Azorean passaportes and started looking backwards from that date, looking 
>>> for a Margarida. It would have taken him longer if he was looking for a 
>>> Maria! Anyways, the more you read the records (or take a look at what 
>>> people transcribe here), the better you get at reading them.
>>> 
>>> In Salt Lake in June, we have over 20 hours of classes and more than 10 
>>> hours of research assistance :) People start to get the hang of it, as we 
>>> get less and less questions on how to read as the conference gets to the 
>>> end. We think that's a good thing :)
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 9:03 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
  wrote:
 Hi Bill!
 
 You have done this to get me started, too.  What makes it so quick for you 
 to get results?  Is it because you read Portuguese?  São Miguel, for 
 example, has so many villages. Do you look from one to the next for the 
 whole island?  
 
 It amazes me that you are so fast with something that is taking me months 
 to do.  
 
 Debbie
 
 
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM  wrote:
> I just realized there was no Aub in 1989 so the baptism date is probably 
> 28 Aug 1898
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:s13:27 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello Annie,
>> 
>> I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub 1989 
>> in Arrifes (#202 on the right side):
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html
>> 
>> Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
>> Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel de 
>> Benevides and Maria Cabral
>> Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and Maria 
>> de Jesus
>> Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella
>> 
>> Bill Seidler
>> 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a 
>>> husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three 
>>> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven 
>>> people in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth 
>>> departing Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name 
>>> Cabral for the first four of them.  This shows they are all from 
>>> Arrifes.
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>>> 
>>> Bill Seidler
>>> 
 On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello:
 My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her 
 parents were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides 
 Cabral.
 They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall 
 River, MA.  
 My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.  
 
 I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
 
 Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that 
 might have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. 
 com?
 
 I'm trying to find her birth place.
 
 Thank you.
 Annie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[Annie Silvia]

Hi:
Thanks, very much. I'll definitely visit the street while I'm there.

I think my grandmother changed her name to Margaret in the US and I don't
ever recall anyone call her 'maggie', which is also listed in some records,
but it's certainly possible.
Appreciate the help!

Annie

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 11:35 AM Joe Matias  wrote:

> On Margarida's birth record it says her parents were living on Travessa
> dos Milagres this is the street name.
> these are snips are taken from the town of Arrifes,Ponta Delgada
>
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avg.com
> 
> <#m_8577584557441305937_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:16 AM  wrote:
>
>> Yes I did it exactly as Cheri said.  Through this list she and others
>> have taught many, including me.  Six years ago it all looked like scribble
>> to me and I had to completely rely on list members.  This is an outstanding
>> site.
>>
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> It takes practice to learn to read the writing. And it's not hard to
>>> find once you get the correct pieces of information. Although Annie did not
>>> state a date for arrival in America, she had enough information. Bill most
>>> likely looked up the arrival in America on Ancestry, then went over to the
>>> Azorean passaportes and started looking backwards from that date, looking
>>> for a Margarida. It would have taken him longer if he was looking for a
>>> Maria! Anyways, the more you read the records (or take a look at what
>>> people transcribe here), the better you get at reading them.
>>>
>>> In Salt Lake in June, we have over 20 hours of classes and more than 10
>>> hours of research assistance :) People start to get the hang of it, as we
>>> get less and less questions on how to read as the conference gets to the
>>> end. We think that's a good thing :)
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 9:03 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>>> jessdeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bill!

 You have done this to get me started, too.  What makes it so quick for
 you to get results?  Is it because you read Portuguese?  São Miguel, for
 example, has so many villages. Do you look from one to the next for the
 whole island?

 It amazes me that you are so fast with something that is taking me
 months to do.

 Debbie


 On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM  wrote:

> I just realized there was no Aub in 1989 so the baptism date is
> probably 28 Aug 1898
>
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:s13:27 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Annie,
>>
>> I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub
>> 1989 in Arrifes (#202 on the right side):
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html
>>
>> Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
>> Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel
>> de Benevides and Maria Cabral
>> Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and
>> Maria de Jesus
>> Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like
>>> a husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three
>>> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven 
>>> people
>>> in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing
>>> Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for 
>>> the
>>> first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:


 Hello:
 My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her
 parents were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides 
 Cabral.
 They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to
 Fall River, MA.
 My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.

 I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .

 Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere ,
 that might have more information 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[Annie Silvia]

Hi:
Thanks.  Yes, that's where I'm from.
I now will track down my mother's birth certificate as I am looking at dual
citizenship with Portugal and US.

Appreciate the help.
Annie

PS are you related to the "benevides cabrals" that emigrated here in 1903?

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 11:35 AM 'SPORT USA' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Anni,
>
> I live in MA  Not far from Fall River.
>
> Family lived in Bristol RI
>
> Bill Cabral
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Annie 
> To: azores 
> Sent: Sat, May 4, 2019 10:10 pm
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace,
> Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week
>
> Hello there, Bill:
> Thank you SO MUCH for this information.
>
> I will keep digging, too.
>
> Are you on Sao Miguel ?
> This is incredible information.
>
> I will stay in touch and keep talking to relatives in the States (not many
> left!)
>
> Can I stay in touch with you ?
>
> So, in order to “prove” that I am her (Margarida’s) granddaughter, what
> additional information do I need? My mother’s birth (Margarida’s daughter)
> info? Other?
>
> Thank you, again!
>
> Best,
> Anne Marie Silvia
> Mother Mary Silvia (maiden name Costa)
> My grandfather, Margarida’s husband was either:
> Joseph Costa
> Jose R Costa or Jose Rego Costa. His name might have been changed to
> Joseph as my grandmother was known as Margaret in the States (Fall River,
> MA).
> Died in US in either 1933, 1935, or 1936.
>
>
> On May 4, 2019, at 7:55 PM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a
> husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three
> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven people
> in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing
> Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for the
> first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello:
> My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her parents
> were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides Cabral.
> They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall
> River, MA.
> My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.
>
> I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
>
> Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that
> might have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. com?
>
> I'm trying to find her birth place.
>
> Thank you.
> Annie
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

['SPORT USA' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Anni,
I live in MA  Not far from Fall River.
Family lived in Bristol RI 

Bill Cabral




-Original Message-
From: Annie 
To: azores 
Sent: Sat, May 4, 2019 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, 
Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

Hello there, Bill:Thank you SO MUCH for this information.
I will keep digging, too.
Are you on Sao Miguel ? This is incredible information.
I will stay in touch and keep talking to relatives in the States (not many 
left!)
Can I stay in touch with you ?
So, in order to “prove” that I am her (Margarida’s) granddaughter, what 
additional information do I need? My mother’s birth (Margarida’s daughter) 
info? Other?
Thank you, again!
Best,Anne Marie SilviaMother Mary Silvia (maiden name Costa)My grandfather, 
Margarida’s husband was either:Joseph CostaJose R Costa or Jose Rego Costa. His 
name might have been changed to Joseph as my grandmother was known as Margaret 
in the States (Fall River, MA).Died in US in either 1933, 1935, or 1936.

On May 4, 2019, at 7:55 PM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:


Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a husband, 
wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three additional family 
members too old to be their kids.  The same seven people in the same order are 
on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing Ponta Delgada on 16 March. 
The manifest also gives the name Cabral for the first four of them.  This shows 
they are all from 
Arrifes.http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
Bill Seidler
On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello:My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her parents 
were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides Cabral.They came to 
Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall River, MA.  My 
grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.  
I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that might 
have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. com?
I'm trying to find her birth place.
Thank you.Annie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[bsei2816]

Yes I did it exactly as Cheri said.  Through this list she and others have 
taught many, including me.  Six years ago it all looked like scribble to me 
and I had to completely rely on list members.  This is an outstanding site.

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> It takes practice to learn to read the writing. And it's not hard to find 
> once you get the correct pieces of information. Although Annie did not 
> state a date for arrival in America, she had enough information. Bill most 
> likely looked up the arrival in America on Ancestry, then went over to the 
> Azorean passaportes and started looking backwards from that date, looking 
> for a Margarida. It would have taken him longer if he was looking for a 
> Maria! Anyways, the more you read the records (or take a look at what 
> people transcribe here), the better you get at reading them.
>
> In Salt Lake in June, we have over 20 hours of classes and more than 10 
> hours of research assistance :) People start to get the hang of it, as we 
> get less and less questions on how to read as the conference gets to the 
> end. We think that's a good thing :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 9:03 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdeb...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill!
>>
>> You have done this to get me started, too.  What makes it so quick for 
>> you to get results?  Is it because you read Portuguese?  São Miguel, for 
>> example, has so many villages. Do you look from one to the next for the 
>> whole island?  
>>
>> It amazes me that you are so fast with something that is taking me months 
>> to do.  
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM > wrote:
>>
>>> I just realized there was no Aub in 1989 so the baptism date is probably 
>>> 28 Aug 1898
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:s13:27 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Annie,

 I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub 
 1989 in Arrifes (#202 on the right side):

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html

 Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
 Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel 
 de Benevides and Maria Cabral
 Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and 
 Maria de Jesus
 Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella

 Bill Seidler


 On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a 
> husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three 
> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven 
> people 
> in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing 
> Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for 
> the 
> first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello:
>> My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her 
>> parents were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides 
>> Cabral.
>> They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to 
>> Fall River, MA.  
>> My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.  
>>
>> I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
>>
>> Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , 
>> that might have more information than what I can currently get on 
>> Ancestry. 
>> com?
>>
>> I'm trying to find her birth place.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Annie
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[Cheri Mello]

It takes practice to learn to read the writing. And it's not hard to find
once you get the correct pieces of information. Although Annie did not
state a date for arrival in America, she had enough information. Bill most
likely looked up the arrival in America on Ancestry, then went over to the
Azorean passaportes and started looking backwards from that date, looking
for a Margarida. It would have taken him longer if he was looking for a
Maria! Anyways, the more you read the records (or take a look at what
people transcribe here), the better you get at reading them.

In Salt Lake in June, we have over 20 hours of classes and more than 10
hours of research assistance :) People start to get the hang of it, as we
get less and less questions on how to read as the conference gets to the
end. We think that's a good thing :)
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 9:03 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bill!
>
> You have done this to get me started, too.  What makes it so quick for you
> to get results?  Is it because you read Portuguese?  São Miguel, for
> example, has so many villages. Do you look from one to the next for the
> whole island?
>
> It amazes me that you are so fast with something that is taking me months
> to do.
>
> Debbie
>
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM  wrote:
>
>> I just realized there was no Aub in 1989 so the baptism date is probably
>> 28 Aug 1898
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:s13:27 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Annie,
>>>
>>> I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub 1989
>>> in Arrifes (#202 on the right side):
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html
>>>
>>> Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
>>> Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel de
>>> Benevides and Maria Cabral
>>> Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and Maria
>>> de Jesus
>>> Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a
 husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three
 additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven people
 in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing
 Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for the
 first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.

 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html

 Bill Seidler

 On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello:
> My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her
> parents were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides Cabral.
> They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall
> River, MA.
> My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.
>
> I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
>
> Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that
> might have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. 
> com?
>
> I'm trying to find her birth place.
>
> Thank you.
> Annie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hi Bill!

You have done this to get me started, too.  What makes it so quick for you
to get results?  Is it because you read Portuguese?  São Miguel, for
example, has so many villages. Do you look from one to the next for the
whole island?

It amazes me that you are so fast with something that is taking me months
to do.

Debbie


On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM  wrote:

> I just realized there was no Aub in 1989 so the baptism date is probably
> 28 Aug 1898
>
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:s13:27 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hello Annie,
>>
>> I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub 1989
>> in Arrifes (#202 on the right side):
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html
>>
>> Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
>> Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel de
>> Benevides and Maria Cabral
>> Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and Maria
>> de Jesus
>> Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a
>>> husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three
>>> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven people
>>> in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing
>>> Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for the
>>> first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hello:
 My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her
 parents were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides Cabral.
 They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall
 River, MA.
 My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.

 I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .

 Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that
 might have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. com?

 I'm trying to find her birth place.

 Thank you.
 Annie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[Annie]

Hello again:
This is even more incredible! 
Thank you, again.

I will keep digging on my grandfather (Margarida’s husband ) and see if I can 
get travel info on him.

I cannot really read the writing so much but can see her name, etc. How can you 
read it so easily?  I will keep trying.

Again, I will stay in touch. I so appreciate your help!
Annie Silvia 
75 Maple Lane
Bristol, RI 



> On May 4, 2019, at 8:13 PM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello Annie,
> 
> I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub 1989 in 
> Arrifes (#202 on the right side):
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html
> 
> Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
> Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel de 
> Benevides and Maria Cabral
> Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and Maria de 
> Jesus
> Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella
> 
> Bill Seidler
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a 
>> husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three additional 
>> family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven people in the same 
>> order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing Ponta Delgada on 
>> 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for the first four of 
>> them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>> 
>> Bill Seidler
>> 
>>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her parents 
>>> were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides Cabral.
>>> They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall 
>>> River, MA.  
>>> My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.  
>>> 
>>> I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
>>> 
>>> Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that 
>>> might have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. com?
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to find her birth place.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> Annie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[Annie]

Hello there, Bill:
Thank you SO MUCH for this information.

I will keep digging, too.

Are you on Sao Miguel ? 
This is incredible information.

I will stay in touch and keep talking to relatives in the States (not many 
left!)

Can I stay in touch with you ?

So, in order to “prove” that I am her (Margarida’s) granddaughter, what 
additional information do I need? My mother’s birth (Margarida’s daughter) 
info? Other?

Thank you, again!

Best,
Anne Marie Silvia
Mother Mary Silvia (maiden name Costa)
My grandfather, Margarida’s husband was either:
Joseph Costa
Jose R Costa or Jose Rego Costa. His name might have been changed to Joseph as 
my grandmother was known as Margaret in the States (Fall River, MA).
Died in US in either 1933, 1935, or 1936.


> On May 4, 2019, at 7:55 PM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a 
> husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three additional 
> family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven people in the same 
> order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing Ponta Delgada on 
> 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for the first four of them. 
>  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
> 
> Bill Seidler
> 
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her parents 
>> were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides Cabral.
>> They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall 
>> River, MA.  
>> My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.  
>> 
>> I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .
>> 
>> Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that might 
>> have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. com?
>> 
>> I'm trying to find her birth place.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> Annie
> 
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