Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-25 Thread Maria Lima
Doug, I'm glad you mentioned finding death records for BOTH husband and wife to 
confirm the age difference.  I was only focused on her death but your comment 
makes sense.  Thank you to everybody for your help and examples from your 
trees.  



Maria Elena 

 On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:10 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:
 
 Maria,
 
 You'll also be able to confirm it when you find their deaths and even though 
 their ages will likely be the priest's approximation, it should give you an 
 idea of the age difference.
 
 Doug da Rocha Holmes
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 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com
 
 
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 Date: Thu, April 24, 2014 10:33 am
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 Thank you Doug- I'm still getting over the shock but if I cannot find another 
 marriage record for them- then I'll be sure.  Thank you so much
 
 Maria Elena  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-24 Thread pico
That's because the surname Revoredo doesn't exist anywhere on Pico that I can think of.This is a Sao Miguel family.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Date: Wed, April 23, 2014 10:15 pm
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I don't know what to make of the fact that the NEPS index shows no Revoredo, no Antonia or Antonio born to a Sousa in 1737., no Teresa related to Oliveira, although it seems clear in the baptism record the are residents. There is no one in the record at all that can be found in the NEPS indexEric Edgar 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-24 Thread Cheri Mello
I have Mendes Revoredo on São Miguel.
Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-24 Thread luiznoia .
Doug,

The indexing for those towns is incomplete. I have about a dozen from the
CCA site that can not be found in the NEPS site

Eric Edgar


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:27 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 Eric,

 Use the Madalena concelho link for Bandeiras and Candelaria, as well as
 Madalena, Criacao Velha, and Sao Mateus.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
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 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
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 Date: Wed, April 23, 2014 5:18 pm
 To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com

 I looked through the NEPS site to find a relationship to this Revoredo
 family. There are no records in Sao Roque that match to them. I tried all
 the other towns on the island without luck. That leaves Bandeiras and
 Candelaria to search

 since they are on the CCA site, but not NEPS.

 Eric Edgar

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-24 Thread Maria Lima
Thank you for searching for the Revoredo name.  I'm not sure I explained my 
question.  Maybe I didn't have the correct couple and here's why. 

The age difference between the bride Antonia de Jesus and the groom, Antonio 
Botteilho is what has made me question if I found the correct marriage record 
for them. 
The marriage record is where I got the names of their parents.  (That's where 
the names Revoredo and Oliveira came in). 

In the case of the bride, I learned from Listers that the parents names  were 
Manoel de Sousa Revoredo and Thereza de Oliveira.

HOWEVER, When I entered the name of the mother in the Familysearch tree I got a 
duplicate.   Someone had already done research and entered Manoel de Souza 
Revoredo and Thereza de Oliveira's marriage details,  children with their 
birthdates.  The couple did have a daughter name Antonia born in 1722.  When I 
realized she was born in 1722 I did a double take!  Her husband Antonio was 
born in 1740! IF I was following the right parents of Antonio and Antonia.

Thats when I wrote the LIST (the GURU's here!!:) - again. 

I wondered if I found the correct marriage record for Antonio Botteilho and 
Antonia de Jesus.  Maybe I've  been chasing children of these two couples on 
the marriage record both of who,  coincidentally had a son named Antonio in 
the case of the paternal  and who fits the 20 year rule) ) and a daughter named 
Antonia, born 1722!She was old enough to be Antonio's mother.  mother.  

Have you seen this before?  It didn't say she was widowed either from the 
marriage record I found.  

I've gone back to see if I could find another couple with the same names and 
have not found any.  They were from from Sao Roque, Rosto de Cao on Sao Miguel. 
 

I thought maybe I could confirm Antonia's age by searching the obits. Maybe I'd 
find another Antonia married to an Antonio Botteilho in Sao Roque.When they 
said more or less in the obit, would that be like five years difference.  
(?).  

A couple of times I've seen huge age differences in the marriage records but I 
think it was the man who was older.  

How else could I check to b sure this is the right parents.  Maybe it is the 
right couple.  I can't imagine the circumstances where he married a woman so 
many years older.  

Maria Elena 

 On Apr 24, 2014, at 1:04 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:
 
 That's because the surname Revoredo doesn't exist anywhere on Pico that I can 
 think of.
 
 This is a Sao Miguel family.
 
 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com
 
 
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 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com
 Date: Wed, April 23, 2014 10:15 pm
 To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com
 
 I don't know what to make of the fact that the NEPS index shows no Revoredo, 
 no Antonia or Antonio born to a Sousa in 1737., no Teresa related to 
 Oliveira, although it seems clear in the  baptism record the are residents.
 
 There is no one in the record at all that can be found in the NEPS index
 
 Eric Edgar
  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-24 Thread pico
Yes, that's true, but usually you can't find it because they misread the names and completely botched it.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Doug,The indexing for those towns is incomplete. I have about a dozen from the CCA site that can not be found in the NEPS siteEric Edgars. 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-24 Thread pico
Hi Maria,I have seen this many, many times where the groom is way younger than the bride.There can be many reasons for it. Just take any guess.One could be he was more poor than the bride. Maybe she had some family wealth and he thought that's a pretty good deal, even if she's way older.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.comWhen I realized she was born in 1722 I did a double take! Her husband 
Antonio was born in 1740! IF I was following the right parents of 
Antonio and Antonia.Thats when I wrote the LIST (the GURU's here!!:) - again.I wondered if I found the correct marriage record for Antonio Botteilho and Antonia de Jesus. Maybe I've been chasing children of these two couples on the marriage record both of who, "coincidentally" had a son named Antonio in the case of the paternal and who fits the 20 year rule) ) and a daughter named Antonia, born 1722!  She was old enough to be Antonio's mother. mother. Have you seen this before? It didn't say she was widowed either from the marriage record I found.  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-24 Thread Maria Lima
Thank you Doug- I'm still getting over the shock but if I cannot find another 
marriage record for them- then I'll be sure.  Thank you so much

Maria Elena 

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 On Apr 24, 2014, at 10:22 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:
 
 Hi Maria,
 
 I have seen this many, many times where the groom is way younger than the 
 bride.
 There can be many reasons for it. Just take any guess.
 One could be he was more poor than the bride. Maybe she had some family 
 wealth and he thought that's a pretty good deal, even if she's way older.
 
 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com
 
 
 
 When I realized she was born in 1722 I did a double take!  Her husband 
 Antonio was born in 1740! IF I was following the right parents of Antonio and 
 Antonia.
 
 Thats when I wrote the LIST (the GURU's here!!:) - again. 
 
 I wondered if I found the correct marriage record for Antonio Botteilho and 
 Antonia de Jesus.  Maybe I've  been chasing children of these two couples on 
 the marriage record both of who,  coincidentally had a son named Antonio in 
 the case of the paternal  and who fits the 20 year rule) ) and a daughter 
 named Antonia, born 1722!She was old enough to be Antonio's mother.  
 mother.  
 
 Have you seen this before?  It didn't say she was widowed either from the 
 marriage record I found.  
 
  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-24 Thread pico
Maria,You'll also be able to confirm it when you find their deaths and even though their ages will likely be the priest's approximation, it should give you an idea of the age difference.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
From: Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, April 24, 2014 10:33 am
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Thank you Doug- I'm still getting over the shock but if I cannot find another marriage record for them- then I'll be sure. Thank you so muchMaria Elena  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-24 Thread E Sharp
My Croatian/Italian/Austrian/German Empire (depended who controlled the
area at the time - marriage record says German Empire) 6th great
grandfather was34 years older than his 2nd wife.  He was 63 when he married
her.  She was 29. This was ca 1750's.  They went on to have 4 children.
The last when he was 75 years old!! He died when the youngest child was 4
months old.  He had 8 children with his first wife starting when he was
27.

E


On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thank you Doug- I'm still getting over the shock but if I cannot find
 another marriage record for them- then I'll be sure.  Thank you so much

 Maria Elena

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 24, 2014, at 10:22 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 Hi Maria,

 I have seen this many, many times where the groom is way younger than the
 bride.
 There can be many reasons for it. Just take any guess.
 One could be he was more poor than the bride. Maybe she had some family
 wealth and he thought that's a pretty good deal, even if she's way older.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com



 When I realized she was born in 1722 I did a double take!  Her husband
 Antonio was born in 1740! IF I was following the right parents of Antonio
 and Antonia.

 Thats when I wrote the LIST (the GURU's here!!:) - again.

 I wondered if I found the correct marriage record for Antonio Botteilho
 and Antonia de Jesus.  Maybe I've  been chasing children of these two
 couples on the marriage record both of who,  coincidentally had a son
 named Antonio in the case of the paternal  and who fits the 20 year rule) )
 and a daughter named Antonia, born 1722!She was old enough to be
 Antonio's mother.  mother.

 Have you seen this before?  It didn't say she was widowed either from the
 marriage record I found.



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-24 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
Hi Doug,

 

I have one marriage that sticks out where the groom is 18 and the bride is 48. 
I know I have others where the groom is younger than the bride the typical 
situation is the bride is a widow and the groom has never married usually the 
age difference is 5-10 years.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

 

Maria,

 

You'll also be able to confirm it when you find their deaths and even though 
their ages will likely be the priest's approximation, it should give you an 
idea of the age difference.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico  Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

 

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
From: Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, April 24, 2014 10:33 am
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Thank you Doug- I'm still getting over the shock but if I cannot find another 
marriage record for them- then I'll be sure.  Thank you so much

 

Maria Elena  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-23 Thread Maria Lima
Oh my goodness!  I can't believe you found it- I was totally looking in the 
wrong years over and over. (Duh!). Someone up there is taking pity on me 
because I was stuck  on that this for hours for several days.  Oh thank you, 
Manoel for this great leap Forward.  I'm so excited now to find more of their 
children.  YAY!! : happy face here...:)

Maria Elena 

 On Apr 21, 2014, at 6:33 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I found this baptism in São Roque:
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740_item1/P166.html
 
 No doubt that the father's name is Manuel de Sousa Revoredo.
 
 Manoel
 
 Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 23h29min25s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
 
 Yes now that I have the name of the wife of Manoel I can search the 
 baptisms.  I was surprised that the name turned out to be Tereza de 
 Oliveira.  I thought it was maria de something.  But Tereza de Oliveira and 
 Manoel de Sousa something Res... should be easy to find. ;) 
 
   That was thank you so much for your help.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 20, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually, I do see a z as the third letter. Bear in mind that in those 
 days z s looked much like the printed version of today (like the one at 
 the beginning of my reply). I fact, although it is faint, 
  I see the third letter as z, more readily than as a v.
 On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:21:16 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:
 Dano,
 
 I don´t see z or s after Re..
 
 But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to 
 figure it out.
 
 Manoel
 
 Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
 escreveu:
 
 I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to 
 require another document for a better example.
 
 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com
 
 
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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: Dano dpa...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com
 
 Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo,  not Rezendes? When I looked 
 at it, it looked like both.
 
 On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:
 Maria,
 
 It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.
 
 Manoel
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-23 Thread Maria Lima
Oh boy-  now I'm wondering if I got the right marriage record for Antonio 
BOTTEILHO and Antonia in Sao Roque, Rosto do Cao.  Married 21 December 1761.  

I found Antonio's birth record and I COULD NOT FIND Antonia's because I 
couldn't figure out the parent's names. Then  Manoel sent me the names of 
her parents that are on the marriage record I've attached, and he found a son 
born to that couple which verifies the name of Antonia's parents.  Her parents 
were Manoel de Souza Revoredo and Thereza de Oliveira.  Manoel even sent me a 
link for a child born to Manoel and Tereza which was WAY EARLIER than where I 
was looking.  I was looking for their daughter, Antonia but Manorl's link 
verified the name of the parents. 

 When I started entering the names of the parents; particularly Thereza de 
Oliveira into the familysearch, it showed there was a possible duplicate for   
Thereza de Oliveira, married to Manoel de Souza Revoredo from Sao Roque, Rosto 
de Cao.  It included   children and their birth dates and even the marriage 
date of Manoel and Thereza.  There was a daughter named Antonia- supposedly the 
Antonia who married Antonio BOTTEILHO.  Here's whats throwing me into doubt 
that I got the right marriage record for Amtonio and Antonia:IF my marriage 
record is right then Antonia would have been 39 and Antonio 21 when they 
married.  That's a big difference!   He was born in 1740 and this Antonia, the 
daughter  of Manoel de Souza Revoredo and  Thereza de Oliveira,  was born 16 
October 1722- ; so, she was 18 years older than he!  

I went back to see if there was another marriage for an Antonio BOTTEILHO and 
Antonia and didn't find one so- does this make sense for the times?  The only 
thing I can think to do is keep looking to see if there's another couple from 
Sao Roque named Antonio Botteilho marrying an Antonia.  

Even though Antonia would have been 39 when she married Antonio, she had a 
child baby Botteilho whose name was illegible on the record and then a 
daughter, my husband's ancestor,  when she was 44.  Any advice??

Thank you.  

Right hand side: 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1749-1766/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1749-1766_item1/P114.html

Maria Elena 

 On Apr 21, 2014, at 6:37 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:
 
 Good going, Manoel.
 
 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com
 
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: mances man...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, April 21, 2014 4:33 pm
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 I found this baptism in São Roque:
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740_item1/P166.html
 
 No doubt that the father's name is Manuel de Sousa Revoredo.
 
 Manoel
 
 Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 23h29min25s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
 
 Yes now that I have the name of the wife of Manoel I can search the 
 baptisms.  I was surprised that the name turned out to be Tereza de 
 Oliveira.  I thought it was maria de something.  But Tereza de Oliveira and 
 Manoel de Sousa something Res... should be easy to find. ;) 
 
   That was thank you so much for your help.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 20, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually, I do see a z as the third letter. Bear in mind that in those 
 days z s looked much like the printed version of today (like the one at 
 the beginning of my reply). I fact, although it is faint, 
  I see the third letter as z, more readily than as a v.
 On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:21:16 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:
 Dano,
 
 I don´t see z or s after Re..
 
 But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to 
 figure it out.
 
 Manoel
 
 Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
 escreveu:
 
 I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to 
 require another document for a better example.
 
 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com
 
  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-23 Thread luiznoia .
I looked through the NEPS site to find a relationship to this Revoredo
family. There are no records in Sao Roque that match to them. I tried all
the other towns on the island without luck. That leaves Bandeiras and
Candelaria to search

since they are on the CCA site, but not NEPS.

Eric Edgar


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.comwrote:

 Oh my goodness!  I can't believe you found it- I was totally looking in
 the wrong years over and over. (Duh!). Someone up there is taking pity on
 me because I was stuck  on that this for hours for several days.  Oh thank
 you, Manoel for this great leap Forward.  I'm so excited now to find more
 of their children.  YAY!! : happy face here...:)

 Maria Elena

 On Apr 21, 2014, at 6:33 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found this baptism in São Roque:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740_item1/P166.html

 No doubt that the father's name is Manuel de Sousa Revoredo.

 Manoel

 Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 23h29min25s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Yes now that I have the name of the wife of Manoel I can search the
 baptisms.  I was surprised that the name turned out to be Tereza de
 Oliveira.  I thought it was maria de something.  But Tereza de Oliveira and
 Manoel de Sousa something Res... should be easy to find. ;)

   That was thank you so much for your help.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 20, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, I do see a z as the third letter. Bear in mind that in those
 days z s looked much like the printed version of today (like the one at
 the beginning of my reply). I fact, although it is faint,
  I see the third letter as z, more readily than as a v.
 On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:21:16 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:

 Dano,

 I don´t see z or s after Re..

 But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to
 figure it out.

 Manoel

 Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes
 escreveu:

 I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to
 require another document for a better example.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: Dano dpa...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com

 Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo,  not Rezendes? When I looked
 at it, it looked like both.

 On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:

 Maria,

 It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.

 Manoel


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-23 Thread pico
Eric,Use the Madalena concelho link for Bandeiras and Candelaria, as well as Madalena, Criacao Velha, and Sao Mateus.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
From: "luiznoia ." noblankt...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, April 23, 2014 5:18 pm
To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com

I looked through the NEPS site to find a relationship to this Revoredo family. There are no records in Sao Roque that match to them. I tried all the other towns on the island without luck. That leaves Bandeiras and Candelaria to search since they are on the CCA site, but not NEPS.Eric Edgar 





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-23 Thread luiznoia .
I don't know what to make of the fact that the NEPS index shows no
Revoredo, no Antonia or Antonio born to a Sousa in 1737., no Teresa related
to Oliveira, although it seems clear in the  baptism record the are
residents.

There is no one in the record at all that can be found in the NEPS index

Eric Edgar


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 Doug,

 The indexing for those towns is incomplete. I have about a dozen from the
 CCA site that can not be found in the NEPS site

 Eric Edgar


 On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:27 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 Eric,

 Use the Madalena concelho link for Bandeiras and Candelaria, as well as
 Madalena, Criacao Velha, and Sao Mateus.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com
 Date: Wed, April 23, 2014 5:18 pm
 To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com

 I looked through the NEPS site to find a relationship to this Revoredo
 family. There are no records in Sao Roque that match to them. I tried all
 the other towns on the island without luck. That leaves Bandeiras and
 Candelaria to search

 since they are on the CCA site, but not NEPS.

 Eric Edgar

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-21 Thread Maria Lima
Yes now that I have the name of the wife of Manoel I can search the baptisms.  
I was surprised that the name turned out to be Tereza de Oliveira.  I thought 
it was maria de something.  But Tereza de Oliveira and Manoel de Sousa 
something Res... should be easy to find. ;) 

  That was thank you so much for your help.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 20, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually, I do see a z as the third letter. Bear in mind that in those days 
 z s looked much like the printed version of today (like the one at the 
 beginning of my reply). I fact, although it is faint, 
  I see the third letter as z, more readily than as a v.
 On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:21:16 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:
 Dano,
 
 I don´t see z or s after Re..
 
 But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to 
 figure it out.
 
 Manoel
 
 Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
 escreveu:
 
 I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to 
 require another document for a better example.
 
 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com
 
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: Dano dpa...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com
 
 Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo,  not Rezendes? When I looked at 
 it, it looked like both.
 
 On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:
 Maria,
 
 It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.
 
 Manoel
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-21 Thread mances
I found this baptism in São Roque:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740_item1/P166.html

No doubt that the father's name is Manuel de Sousa Revoredo.

Manoel

Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 23h29min25s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Yes now that I have the name of the wife of Manoel I can search the 
 baptisms.  I was surprised that the name turned out to be Tereza de 
 Oliveira.  I thought it was maria de something.  But Tereza de Oliveira and 
 Manoel de Sousa something Res... should be easy to find. ;) 

   That was thank you so much for your help.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 20, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

 Actually, I do see a z as the third letter. Bear in mind that in those 
 days z s looked much like the printed version of today (like the one at 
 the beginning of my reply). I fact, although it is faint, 
  I see the third letter as z, more readily than as a v.
 On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:21:16 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:

 Dano,

 I don´t see z or s after Re..

 But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to 
 figure it out.

 Manoel

 Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
 escreveu:

 I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to 
 require another document for a better example.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: Dano dpa...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com

 Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo,  not Rezendes? When I looked 
 at it, it looked like both.

 On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:

 Maria,

 It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.

 Manoel
  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-21 Thread pico
Good going, Manoel.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
From: mances man...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, April 21, 2014 4:33 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I found this baptism in São Roque:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740_item1/P166.htmlNo doubt that the father's name is Manuel de Sousa Revoredo.ManoelEm domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 23h29min25s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:Yes now that I have the name of the wife of Manoel I can search the baptisms. I was surprised that the name turned out to be Tereza de Oliveira. I thought it was maria de something. But Tereza de Oliveira and Manoel de Sousa something Res... should be "easy" to find. ;) That was thank you so much for your help.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 20, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote:Actually, I do see a "z" as the third letter. Bear in mind that in those days "z" s looked much like the printed version of today (like the one at the beginning of my reply). I fact, although it is faint, I see the third letter as "z,"more readily than as a "v."On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:21:16 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:Dano,I don´t see z or s after Re..But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to figure it out.ManoelEm domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes escreveu:I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to require another document for a better example.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-20 Thread pico
I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to require another document for a better example.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com   Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents From: Dano dpai...@gmail.com Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com  Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo, not Rezendes? When I looked at it, it looked like both.On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:Maria,It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.Manoel 



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-20 Thread Hermano C. Pires
I think that Manoel has it rght, I seeRevoredo.
My two cents worh.
Herrmano
 
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 10:40:08 -0700

I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to require 
another document for a better example.

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico  Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618www.dholmes.com

   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: Dano dpai...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo,  not Rezendes? When I looked at it, 
it looked like both.

On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:Maria,
It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.
Manoel
  




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-20 Thread mances
Dano,

I don´t see z or s after Re..

But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to 
figure it out.

Manoel

Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
escreveu:

 I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to 
 require another document for a better example.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: Dano dpa...@gmail.com javascript:
 Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:

 Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo,  not Rezendes? When I looked at 
 it, it looked like both.

 On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:

 Maria,

 It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.

 Manoel
  

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-20 Thread pico
I think it might be something more unusual than those names.So finding more baptisms is my recommendation. It might be some alcunha and just about anything.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
From: mances man...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, April 20, 2014 2:21 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Dano,I don´t see z or s after Re..But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to figure it out.ManoelEm domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes escreveu:I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to require another document for a better example.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com   Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents From: Dano dpa...@gmail.com Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com  Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo, not Rezendes? When I looked at it, it looked like both.On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:Maria,It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.Manoel--  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-20 Thread Dano
Actually, I do see a z as the third letter. Bear in mind that in those 
days z s looked much like the printed version of today (like the one at 
the beginning of my reply). I fact, although it is faint, 
 I see the third letter as z, more readily than as a v.
On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:21:16 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:

 Dano,

 I don´t see z or s after Re..

 But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to 
 figure it out.

 Manoel

 Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
 escreveu:

 I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to 
 require another document for a better example.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: Dano dpa...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com

 Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo,  not Rezendes? When I looked 
 at it, it looked like both.

 On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:

 Maria,

 It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.

 Manoel
  

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

2014-04-20 Thread Pam Santos
I agree with what Manoel sees


On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, I do see a z as the third letter. Bear in mind that in those
 days z s looked much like the printed version of today (like the one at
 the beginning of my reply). I fact, although it is faint,
  I see the third letter as z, more readily than as a v.

 On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:21:16 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:

 Dano,

 I don´t see z or s after Re..

 But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to
 figure it out.

 Manoel

 Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes
 escreveu:

 I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to
 require another document for a better example.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: Dano dpa...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com

 Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo,  not Rezendes? When I looked
 at it, it looked like both.

 On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:

 Maria,

 It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.

 Manoel


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