[Babel-users] Babel on FreeBSD

2012-03-27 Thread Denis Ovsienko
Hello, list. The latest (0.99.17.8) release of Quagga-RE incorporates babeld, and FreeBSD quagga-re port seems to deliver it in a way: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/net/quagga-re/pkg-plist.diff?r1=1.1;r2=1.2;f=h I don't currently have the time to test it. Could someone test this

[Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear all, Paul Jakma has added GPL headers to the babeld code that he has merged into Quagga. This was done against the wishes of Matthieu Boutier and myself, the main two authors of this code, and without the knowledge of the other authors. Note that Paul did not simply ask us to add GPL

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Pieter Hintjens
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote: Paul Jakma has added GPL headers to the babeld code that he has merged into Quagga.  This was done against the wishes of Matthieu Boutier and myself, the main two authors of this code, and without the knowledge of

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Outback Dingo
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Pieter Hintjens p...@imatix.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote: Paul Jakma has added GPL headers to the babeld code that he has merged into Quagga.  This was done against the wishes of Matthieu Boutier

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Gabriel Kerneis
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:53:59AM -0500, Pieter Hintjens wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote: Paul Jakma has added GPL headers to the babeld code that he has merged into Quagga.  This was done against the wishes of Matthieu Boutier and

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Outback Dingo
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Gabriel Kerneis kern...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:53:59AM -0500, Pieter Hintjens wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote: Paul Jakma has added GPL headers to the babeld code that he has

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Pieter Hintjens
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Outback Dingo outbackdi...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, Curious if the same would be held true for a BSD Licensed work.. Yes. Precisely the same holds for BSD licensed code, which is why for example commercial closed source projects love including that.

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Outback Dingo
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Pieter Hintjens p...@imatix.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Outback Dingo outbackdi...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, Curious if the same would be held true for a BSD Licensed work.. Yes. Precisely the same holds for BSD licensed code,

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Gabriel Kerneis
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:22:11AM -0500, Pieter Hintjens wrote: The primary reason for using MIT/X11/BSD is precisely to allow others to *relicense* the code as they wish. Thus, I can take pieces (whole or in part) into my closed projects, licensed commercially. Or, into my GPL projects,

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Outback Dingo
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Pieter Hintjens p...@imatix.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Outback Dingo outbackdi...@gmail.com wrote: I dont think its about closing any of the code off, I think its more about how someone can simple add other added parameters or restrictions

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Paul Jakma
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: Dear all, Paul Jakma has added GPL headers to the babeld code that he has merged into Quagga. This was done against the wishes of Matthieu Boutier and myself, the main two authors of this code, and without the knowledge of the other authors.

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Pieter Hintjens
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Gabriel Kerneis kern...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote: Hmm, the licence grants explicitely the right to sublicence, which looks a bit different from relicence.  I see your point, though. Yes, sub-license. That's why your original copyright header remains there.

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Paul Jakma
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Outback Dingo wrote: I dont think its about closing any of the code off, I think its more about how someone can simple add other added parameters or restrictions on the code base which was originally a more open unrestricted license Please see:

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread David Lamparter
(This is kinda duplicate because Paul said more or less the same things) On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 05:12:24PM +0200, Gabriel Kerneis wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:53:59AM -0500, Pieter Hintjens wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote:

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
The primary reason for using MIT/X11/BSD is precisely to allow others to *relicense* the code as they wish. This is correct. Please read my initial mail again. At no point have I argued the legality of Paul's actions. I'm simply stating that I find his actions rude. And I don't enjoy

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Paul Jakma
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: Please read my initial mail again. At no point have I argued the legality of Paul's actions. I'm simply stating that I find his actions rude. And I don't enjoy working with rude people. Thanks for that. regards, -- Paul Jakma

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Pieter Hintjens
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.jussieu.fr wrote: Please read my initial mail again.  At no point have I argued the legality of Paul's actions.  I'm simply stating that I find his actions rude. Everyone is of course entitled to their view of the world, but when

Re: [Babel-users] Babeld merged with GPL headers against copyright holders' wishes

2012-03-27 Thread Paul Jakma
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: Please read my initial mail again. At no point have I argued the legality of Paul's actions. I'm simply stating that I find his actions rude. You chose to use MIT/X11 for code that depends on other GPL code. You did so because you told us you