Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Mr I Forrester
Adrian Lansdown wrote: The videos are ace, Are they going to be a new monthly offering? The schwag is looking really good, the black really works with the word tag. How does a poor needy student go about blagging a t-shirt and pen ;) Adrian Not exactly a monthly offering, but when ever I go

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Laurence Samuels
You explained these a long time ago, and you kept on repeating what did not amount to new knowledge. I hope you wont reply to this email. If you do, I wont reply to the list, I might reply to you privately. L On 05/12/06, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 05/12/06, Laurence Samuels

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Laurence Samuels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it's time you lot stop all these. If you want to continue these rants, do it privately to yourselves, and not to the list. Your rants contribute no knowledge. Please stop. You can ignore my emails? :-) In general, I think the 'wh

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
> > And this would be where the zealotry comes in. > > Why are you calling me a zealot? Largely for comic effect... Also: zealot noun 1 often derog, a single-minded and determined supporter of a political cause, religion, etc - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscr

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Laurence Samuels
I think it's time you lot stop all these. If you want to continue these rants, do it privately to yourselves, and not to the list. Your rants contribute no knowledge. Please stop. Laurence On 05/12/06, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And this would be where the zealotry comes in. Why are you calling me a zealot? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
And this would be where the zealotry comes in. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crossland > Sent: 05 December 2006 22:21 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and B

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread vijay chopra
human nature" tend to be... Y'know... Non-existant. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crossland > Sent: 05 December 2006 20:56 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I deleted it to write the other. Basically my position is "I make the software, therefore I make the rules". Since we want to live in a good society, we find behaviors of individuals that are harmful to everyone else, and make them not-c

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I love the soap boxes people find to lecture the world from. Drop me a line when capitalist society starts living up to these idealistic standards. I'm surprised you think that Free Software is not part of capitalist society. Free Software is

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
TED] On Behalf Of Dave Crossland > Sent: 05 December 2006 20:56 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage > Schwag preview > > > On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I wrote a long thing in

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wrote a long thing in reply to this, but it all boils down to : access to people's software is a privilege not a right. Sorry. But there you go. Please post it - I can't really make sense of this :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backsta

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
r 2006 20:24 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage > Schwag preview > > > Luke Dicken wrote: > > I love the soap boxes people find to lecture the world from. > > OK, I'll bite. > > I can't look a

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread George Wright
Luke Dicken wrote: I love the soap boxes people find to lecture the world from. OK, I'll bite. I can't look at Flash on my computer at home because Macromedia don't make Flash for the OS/ architecture I'm using. If Flash was free software, there'd be a way to get it to work on my computer.

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Adrian Lansdown
The videos are ace, Are they going to be a new monthly offering? The schwag is looking really good, the black really works with the word tag. How does a poor needy student go about blagging a t-shirt and pen ;) Adrian On 12/4/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, A bit of a jo

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage > Schwag preview > > > > Interesting > > > > I think this is one of the problems with the Free Software movement. > > > > "any tool that is not free-as-in-freedom is unethical" >

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Richard Lockwood
> No. Not unreasonable. Patronising, possibly. Okay. Could you point to which paragraph my tone was off? Mm - the first line. "Have you heard of "Free Software"? I expect you have heard of "OpenSource" software. " Maybe it's just me but it came across as someone explaining the concept on CBe

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Interesting I think this is one of the problems with the Free Software movement. "any tool that is not free-as-in-freedom is unethical" Its kind of paradoxical to say thats one of its problems, as its the basis of it. This must have

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Forrester
sts.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview However, any tool that is not free-as-in-freedom is unethical, because it cannot be shared, and unsustainable, because it cannot be independently improved. Today I'm more interested in Free Software than

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I swear to god if I have to zap that damned mosquito one more time to make my PC stop making stupid insect noises... https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/433/ -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscrib

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Neil Roberts
huge fan of SVG :) Cheers, Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 05 December 2006 16:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag pre

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Gareth Rodger
wner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 05 December 2006 16:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview I don't know why it seems to be Flash in particular that brings this out in folk. I can tell you that it is

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Forrester
: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview > It wasn't till I met Aral Balkan and Niqui Merret at BarCampLondon > that I started to accept that my views of Flash were very much old > fashioned. Flash has moved on quite a lot and there are real problems > still with it

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It wasn't till I met Aral Balkan and Niqui Merret at BarCampLondon that I started to accept that my views of Flash were very much old fashioned. "The professional is the man who stays put" - The Medium is the Massage, McLuhan, 1969 ;p Fla

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
> It wasn't till I met Aral Balkan and Niqui Merret at > BarCampLondon that I started to accept that my views of Flash > were very much old fashioned. Flash has moved on quite a lot > and there are real problems still with it but its got a lot better. > > I still won't use it on my own sites un

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Richard Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No. Not unreasonable. Patronising, possibly. Okay. Could you point to which paragraph my tone was off? Many people have heard of 'open source', but confusion can arise because they don't understand the difference between 'free softwar

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't know why it seems to be Flash in particular that brings this out in folk. I can tell you that it is no different on the continent either - I spent a very entertaining meeting here in Austria the other week facing exactly the same "T

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Neil Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> There is hope>> http://osflash.org/ This is very, very interesting. Because Flash blurs the distinctionbetween code and data, I wonder if it is inconsisent to object toproprietary Flash player software, yet accept proprietary Flash'content'

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Forrester
ubject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview >> I don't know why it seems to be Flash in particular that brings this out in folk. I can tell you that it is no different on the continent either - I spent a very entertaining meeting here in Austria the other week fa

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Neil Roberts
There is hope http://osflash.org/ http://www.contentmanager.net/magazine/news_h20882_adobe_and_mozilla_foundation_to_open_source.html On 12/5/06, Richard Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No. Not unreasonable. Patronising, possibly. And it wasn't just aimed at you Dave. It happened a fe

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Martin Belam
I don't know why it seems to be Flash in particular that brings this out in folk. I can tell you that it is no different on the continent either - I spent a very entertaining meeting here in Austria the other week facing exactly the same "The horror! The horror!" reaction to the notion of using

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Richard Lockwood
No. Not unreasonable. Patronising, possibly. And it wasn't just aimed at you Dave. It happened a few months ago - someone suggests Flash as a powerful and (used properly) useful tool, and the list suddenly fills with vitriolic posts about how evil it is and how all software should be free and

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread David Shaw
] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth Rodger Sent: 05 December 2006 15:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview So.. umm.. any going to waste after the christmas bash? Regards, Gareth

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Richard Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: for some reason Flash brings the zealots out in force. ;-) I'm not sure why you are calling me a 'zealot'. Did I say something unreasonable? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Gareth Rodger
So.. umm.. any going to waste after the christmas bash? Regards, Gareth Rodger W: http://www.garethrodger.com E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5 Dec 2006, at 15:25, Lee Goddard wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester I'm shocked no ones mentioned the new

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Lee Goddard
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester > > I'm shocked no ones mentioned the new backstage schwag!!! You disabled comments on the page :( - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/arch

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Forrester
lf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 05 December 2006 11:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview Hi Dave - you're not being lame, it took me a few moments to see where you could download the video - just hit 'Distribute' in

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Matthew Cashmore
EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crossland Sent: 04 December 2006 17:16 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview On 04/12/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://blip.tv/file/get/Cubicgarden-interviewW

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Richard Lockwood
I just *knew* you shouldn't have asked that... Unfortunately, for some reason Flash brings the zealots out in force. ;-) Cheers, Rich. On 12/4/06, Jason Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: May I ask why you don't want to use Flash? How do you use all the Flash-based functionality all over

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However, it is not complete to a level that meets my needs (Although it will play almost everything, it can crash my webbrowser even more than the Adobe Flash player can, and I *HATE* it when my browser crashes :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Jason Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> May I ask why you don't want to use Flash? Certainly - I'm glad you asked, and am happy to explain why :-) Have you heard of "Free Software"? I expect you have heard of "OpenSource" software. While the end results are the same, the motiva

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://blip.tv/file/get/Cubicgarden-interviewWithTristanNitotPresidentOfMozillaEurope758.MP4 Sorry to be lame, but how did you arrive at that URL? What did I miss? :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. T

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Ian Forrester
@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview On 04/12/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://cubicgarden.blip.tv/file/109840 The Google Maps API key on this page is broken. There also appears to be no download link for the video

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Jason Cartwright
t: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview On 04/12/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://cubicgarden.blip.tv/file/109840 The Google Maps API key on this page is broken. There also appears to be no download link for the video, so I can't watch it w

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://cubicgarden.blip.tv/file/109840 The Google Maps API key on this page is broken. There also appears to be no download link for the video, so I can't watch it with Free Software. Any tips? :-) http://www.flickr.com/groups/[EMAIL PRO

[backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Ian Forrester
Hi All, A bit of a joy for the first Monday of the month First up some videos I've collected, Interview with Mozilla Europe President - http://cubicgarden.blip.tv/file/109840 Open Street Presentation from OS Mashup day - http://cubicgarden.blip.tv/file/98294 GeoRSS Presentation from OS Mashup da