Re: [backstage] Last played songs?
I suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus his own drum machine. Well, that at least goes some way to explaining why I find it an intolerable racket ;-) More seriously on this point, I think on this list there are a collection of people who are likely to be more tolerant of the 80/20 rule than the general public. You would be astonished at the number of phone calls, yes *phone calls*, that the BBC gets to complain about typographical errors on news.bbc.co.uk or spelling mistakes on News 24 captions or about pages failing to update on Ceefax. Dan is right to be wary. m James Mastros wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:53PM +0100, Richard P Edwards wrote: Hi, I would like to add to this. If you look on the Pete Tong Radio 1 web-site, for example, you will see that a playlist is published as much as possible. Note, by the way, that the Pete Tong show (if it's the one I'm thinking of; I've only caught the beginning of it once -- not my cup of tea) contains just about every possible special case. It contains music mixed from the source well in advance, it contains a live show, it probably contains single performances split into multiple 2 hour chuncks. It's likely nearly impossible for even the majority of the transcript to be up live, and I suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus his own drum machine. Two points come to mind... 1. If the shows are specialist then it is very important that the audience has this information. 2. In which ever case, for the sake of the music business and new artists, there should never be a situation where this information is not documented for MCPS/PRS etc.. I assume what you mean is so that the artists get paid. There's a limit to that, though. Artists don't need to get paid for several weeks (possibly several months). They don't get paid for a few seconds of the song. In fact, I'm surprised they get paid directly by the BBC at all -- in the US, the recording industry gives away tracks, including the right to play them on air -- to the radio. They consider it great advertising. OTOH, around here there's a lot more TV advertising for music. (Not on the BBC, obviously.) Therefore 80% actually online now, is far better than the odd piece missed, for everyone concerned. Anyway - what do those show producers do whilst on air? Um, produce the show? It takes a lot of effort to make this sort of thing look effortless. Who do you think listens to everybody calling the Jo Whiley show? (Which reminds me of another fun special case -- every morning on her show at approx 10:30, she has a segment during which the entire point is that the audience doesn't know what tracks are being played in real-time, the 7 song shuffle.) -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Out of the Office
To whom it may concern; I'm out of the office on annual leave and will return on Monday May 22. In the meantime I'll be checking emails on an occasional basis only. Regards Julian Clover - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Last played songs?
Yes I work in the area that takes the phone calls and e-mails from the audience and am always amazed by what the comments and enquiries are. Last week of the 24,610 contacts from the audience 114 were about Ceefax and 35 complaints about errors and inaccuracies... There will always have to be a balance between making information available and the cost (resource and otherwise) to provide it. Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 18 May 2006 15:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Last played songs? I suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus his own drum machine. Well, that at least goes some way to explaining why I find it an intolerable racket ;-) More seriously on this point, I think on this list there are a collection of people who are likely to be more tolerant of the 80/20 rule than the general public. You would be astonished at the number of phone calls, yes *phone calls*, that the BBC gets to complain about typographical errors on news.bbc.co.uk or spelling mistakes on News 24 captions or about pages failing to update on Ceefax. Dan is right to be wary. m James Mastros wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:53PM +0100, Richard P Edwards wrote: Hi, I would like to add to this. If you look on the Pete Tong Radio 1 web-site, for example, you will see that a playlist is published as much as possible. Note, by the way, that the Pete Tong show (if it's the one I'm thinking of; I've only caught the beginning of it once -- not my cup of tea) contains just about every possible special case. It contains music mixed from the source well in advance, it contains a live show, it probably contains single performances split into multiple 2 hour chuncks. It's likely nearly impossible for even the majority of the transcript to be up live, and I suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus his own drum machine. Two points come to mind... 1. If the shows are specialist then it is very important that the audience has this information. 2. In which ever case, for the sake of the music business and new artists, there should never be a situation where this information is not documented for MCPS/PRS etc.. I assume what you mean is so that the artists get paid. There's a limit to that, though. Artists don't need to get paid for several weeks (possibly several months). They don't get paid for a few seconds of the song. In fact, I'm surprised they get paid directly by the BBC at all -- in the US, the recording industry gives away tracks, including the right to play them on air -- to the radio. They consider it great advertising. OTOH, around here there's a lot more TV advertising for music. (Not on the BBC, obviously.) Therefore 80% actually online now, is far better than the odd piece missed, for everyone concerned. Anyway - what do those show producers do whilst on air? Um, produce the show? It takes a lot of effort to make this sort of thing look effortless. Who do you think listens to everybody calling the Jo Whiley show? (Which reminds me of another fun special case -- every morning on her show at approx 10:30, she has a segment during which the entire point is that the audience doesn't know what tracks are being played in real-time, the 7 song shuffle.) -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Out of the Office
This could get annoying -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 May 2006 15:56 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Out of the Office To whom it may concern; I'm out of the office on annual leave and will return on Monday May 22. In the meantime I'll be checking emails on an occasional basis only. Regards Julian Clover - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Out of the Office
To whom it may concern; I'm out of the office on annual leave and will return on Monday May 22. In the meantime I'll be checking emails on an occasional basis only. Regards Julian Clover Lol, this could have got funny, and then very annoying. I've removed Julian from the list and sent him an email inviting him back when he has fixed his Out-Of-Office. :) Ben :: backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Out of the Office
We used to have a 'game' at uni where we'd trigger email cascades and take bets on how high the load average would get before the mailserver went down. I thought out-of-office replies recognised mailinglists? On 5/18/06, Marc Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could get annoying-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 May 2006 15:56To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] Out of the OfficeTo whom it may concern;I'm out of the office on annual leave and will return on Monday May 22. In the meantime I'll be checking emails on an occasional basis only.RegardsJulian Clover-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visithttp://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re[2]: [backstage] Out of the Office
GM I thought out-of-office replies recognised mailinglists? From the mailman FAQ:- There are varying degrees of broken-ness, but there do not appear to be any limits on the stupidity of broken auto-responders. :) Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
