RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Quoting Kim Plowright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: AJAX - Is currently the best way to build responsive, in-browser application like experiences for performing actions on data* - AJAX is more than just a scripting language; it too can be the 'appropriate technology' for an API Hmn. AJAX is a good excu

Re: [backstage] Web API down?

At 14:56 +0100 17/7/06, Andrew McParland wrote: On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 02:43:16PM +0100, Josh at GoUK.com wrote: I can reach it Can anyone else see http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/index.html ? Looks fine from the inside, but we're still looking... Andrew Andrew McParland Lead Techno

RE: [backstage] Web API down?

Hi, I've been able to see it (and use the API) since the first report it was down. I foolishly thought a) must be a one off and/or b) its been fixed since the time those people said they couldn't see it Hence, I didn't say anything :-( Regards Pete Cole via Zen ADSL > -Original Messag

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

HTML - At the root of everything, standards compliant, with presentation separate from content. HTML? You mean I to switch back from XHTML? Since when?!??! :-) Gordo -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion gr

Re: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Hi Kim, I have read all the replies, and I must say, as an outsider to the BBC and the Web2 concept... that the technical jargon in the list is overwhelming and therefore confusing to me. I respect the fact that my point of view is therefore pretty unenlightening, but it would seem that the pri

Re: [backstage] Web API down?

On 17/07/06, Andrew McParland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can anyone else see http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/index.html ? Loads fine for me. -- Peter Goodhall, M3PHP - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/20

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

This is a fantastic post, Pete, thankyou. I can't even begin to pick a lot of it appart right now (it's gone six, and I've had an afternoon of meetings). I think some of what you're reacting to - and quite rightly - is that you're only seeing one tiny part of a much bigger project, that is indeed

Re: [backstage] Web API down?

The only news I have is that the issue is still being looked into. It seems that some people have access and some don't. Sorry for the inconvenience. We'll let you know what's happening as soon as we have something definite to report. Andrew On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 02:56:08PM +0100, Andrew McP

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Way back in the mists of the late 20th century I attended a meeting with someone from Factual and Learning about the Digital Curriculum - at a time when it was still a thought. We suggested that it would be really useful if teachers could take the "content" that the BBC produced and "re-arrange" it

RE: [backstage] Web API down?

OK, by the magic of telnet and white text on a black screen, I've found out that the people that need to know about this do, and are looking in to it. Can't give you anything approaching a time it might work again, sorry. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: [backstage] Web API down?

Not here - it appears to be Fubar 2.0   Cheers,   R.  On 7/17/06, Josh at GoUK.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can reach it -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Kim PlowrightSent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:08 PMTo: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] Web API down?

On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 02:43:16PM +0100, Josh at GoUK.com wrote: > I can reach it Can anyone else see http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/index.html ? Looks fine from the inside, but we're still looking... Andrew Andrew McParland Lead Technologist, Technology Group BBC New Media & Technolog

Re: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

On 17 Jul 2006, at 14:40, Kim Plowright wrote: - AJAX is more than just a scripting language; it too can be the 'appropriate technology' for an API Umm, to a techie that's a bit confused: * Ajax isn't a scripting language, Javascript is (the 'j' in Ajax). * An 'Ajax' API doesn't really make s

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

> Maybe I'm reading more into this than you meant to imply but > I think it's a mistake to assume that REST can't scale and > that SOAP is required for 'serious' work. Arguably REST > scales _better_ than SOAP. Apparently; "querying Amazon using REST is 6 times faster than with SOAP" [1] The

RE: [backstage] Web API down?

I can reach it -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kim Plowright Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:08 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Web API down?   I'm seeing it internally - can anyone confirm it's dead outsid

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

OK - so, the summary API/Ajax thoughts... APIs - are good. We love APIs. - They give as much benefit within an organisation - (linking up internal systems) as they do when publically exposed (mashups) - There are different flavours of API, and the right API should be used for the job; always use

Re: [backstage] Web API down?

It's dead outside the firewall. -- Tom Kim Plowright wrote: I'm seeing it internally - can anyone confirm it's dead outside the firewall? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unoffic

Re: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

At 11:49 +0100 17/7/06, Richard Hyett wrote: Listening to a podcast last week, Gillmor Daily, here the argument being advanced was that web 2.0 was a fairly misleading term and one to avoid. It was argued that the real change occured around 2001 with XML and more recently RSS. The community a

RE: [backstage] Web API down?

I can’t see it either.     David Burden www.chatbots.co.uk       -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright Sent: 17 July 2006 14:08 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Web API down?   I'm seeing

Re: [backstage] Web API down?

It times out here, as well. Kim Plowright wrote: I'm seeing it internally - can anyone confirm it's dead outside the firewall? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mario Menti Sent: 17 July 2006 14:00 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] Web API down?

http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/ Down. g5:~ gordo$ traceroute www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk traceroute to www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk (132.185.224.30), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 adsl (192.168.116.1) 10.314 ms 5.778 ms 5.572 ms 2

RE: [backstage] Web API down?

I'm seeing it internally - can anyone confirm it's dead outside the firewall? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario MentiSent: 17 July 2006 14:00To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] Web API down? The server hosting the BBC Web A

Re: [backstage] Web API down?

ahh another key requirement of web 2.0 ;) (a cynical comment. But I do actually think there's been some interested debate going on here, about what exactly it is) The server hosting the BBC Web API ( http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/index.html) seems to be unreachable.. at least fr

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

So, I'm with Matthew, in that a lot of the technical nature of these sites discussed really is stuff that ought to be hapenning on *any* "modern" website. I think the big challenge facing the BBC when it comes to implementing any kind of Web 2.0 agenda - and I'm going to interpret that buzzword a

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Matthew Somerville wrote: > "new technologies"? Blogs (including online diaries) that you can > leave comments on have been around since 1998; RSS 1999. Wikipedia > launched in 2001. XMLHTTP was invented by Microsoft for Outlook Web > Access 2000. eBay launched its API in November 2000, Amazon laun

[backstage] Web API down?

The server hosting the BBC Web API (http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/index.html) seems to be unreachable.. at least from where I am. Anyone else can get to it, or is it currently down? Cheers,Mario.

Re: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Kim Lots of good stuff in there. On 14 Jul 2006, at 17:08, Kim Plowright wrote: Common Engines APIs * REST for Quick, light and elegant 1 SOAP for the heavy corporate lifting Maybe I'm reading more into this than you meant to imply but I think it's a mistake to assume that REST can't scale

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Heh, well I'm very glad you picked up on the bit that was cut and pasted from Tim O'Reilly. It's a useful condensed version, but it is jargon heavy.   Yes, I so understand the buzzword thing; as far as I can work out, inside the BBC, 'Let's make our site web2.0!' actually means 'Lets make it

Re: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Kim Plowright wrote: I'd be really interested to hear what everyone here thinks. Am I missing things? It reads like a very good list, certainly... of what I'd expect *any* website to do! :-) Perhaps it's just me and the whole Web2.0 blah, but certainly anything in the Code section (apart from

Re: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Listening to a podcast last week, Gillmor Daily, here the argument being advanced was that web 2.0 was a fairly misleading term and one to avoid. It was argued that the real change occured around 2001 with XML and more recently RSS. The community argument doesn't ring true for me, though I wish it

Re: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Phil Whelan wrote: Web 2.0 for me is the movement of the web from something you read to something you participate in, and the new web-communities helping to build sites with which they have an interest. This is enabled by new technologies such as blogs, readers leaving comments, voting, mash-up

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

REST is a "collection of architectural principles" [1] rather than a language itself, however APIs still exist for it. There are plenty of AJAX APIs out there. [2] "One of the primary purposes of an API is to describe how computer applications and software developers may access a set of (usually

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Title: Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback Hi,   Web 2.0 for me is the movement of the web from something you read to something you participate in, and the new web-communities helping to build sites with which they have an interest. This is

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

At 09:10 +0100 17/7/06, Daniel Morris wrote: Hi, Client Side Technologies used appropriately e.g.. Flash elements on pages, not flash pages Flash content should be sub-addressable? Also, tables for tabular data. I'll try and come up with more suggestions later :-) -dan AJAX for AJ

Re: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Daniel Morris wrote: > Firstly, the list seems fairly comprehensive and easy to read. > Secondly, apologies if there are obvious answers to this email, i'm new... > > How come REST API gets mentioned, but ajax doesn't? > > I know ajax is an overused buzzword at the moment, but it is > unavoida

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Title: Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback Firstly, the list seems fairly comprehensive and easy to read. Secondly, apologies if there are obvious answers to this email, i'm new...   How come REST API gets mentioned, but ajax doesn't?    I

RE: [backstage] Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback

Title: Web2.0 - tennets, rules, development philosophy... I'd love you to give us some feedback Hi,   Client Side Technologies used appropriately e.g.. Flash elements on pages, not flash pages Flash content should be sub-addressable?   Also, tables