Re: [backstage] DVD Region 2

2007-06-26 Thread Richard Hyett
Leo was voicing a more widely held perception amongst those with a higher than average level of technical knowledge. He thinks that much BBC content is not available region1 and so do lots of others. The fact that he was mistaken about Q1 is not really the point. A search on Dads Army on amazon

Re: [backstage] DVD Region 2

2007-06-26 Thread Dave Whitehead
Leo's minor gripe was that a show that he would love to watch (Stephen Fry's QI - based on him viewing clips on youtube) wasn't available for him to buy on region1 dvd, what he didn't mention (probably didn't know) was that it's not available anywhere, its not released in the UK until middle of

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 26/06/07, Ian Betteridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 26 Jun 2007, at 20:48, Brian Butterworth wrote: > > > I was joking, obviously, otherwise I wouldn't have stuck the "TYS" > on the end. In fact, if you read the article it refers to the > Windows based catchup service as the iPlayer only

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Ian Betteridge
On 26 Jun 2007, at 20:48, Brian Butterworth wrote: I was joking, obviously, otherwise I wouldn't have stuck the "TYS" on the end. In fact, if you read the article it refers to the Windows based catchup service as the iPlayer only in the text and all the services (excluding cable and the

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 26/06/07, Ian Betteridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 26 Jun 2007, at 20:24, Brian Butterworth wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6236612.stm > > "The charge concerns the use of Microsoft technology in the > corporation's forthcoming iPlayer. " > > On the BBC News website. Usi

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Martin Belam
Andy, if I had been the fool in charge of it, let me assure you by now I would be taking legal action against your repeated public accusations of corruption and misuse of public funds by individuals within the BBC. martin currybet.net . On 26/06/07, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 25/06/0

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Ian Betteridge
On 26 Jun 2007, at 20:24, Brian Butterworth wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6236612.stm "The charge concerns the use of Microsoft technology in the corporation's forthcoming iPlayer. " On the BBC News website. Using the meaning I said! TYS So... you're taking the writing o

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Ian Betteridge
On 26 Jun 2007, at 17:33, Andy wrote... "A lot of junk that he's ranted about before at great length, probably written in the typed equivalent of green ink" I would actually love you name these people at the BBC who are conspiring to defraud the public, because then they could sue you fo

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6236612.stm "The charge concerns the use of Microsoft technology in the corporation's forthcoming iPlayer. " On the BBC News website. Using the meaning I said! TYS On 26/06/07, Christopher Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am also against the use of W

RE: [backstage] BT 21C SDK

2007-06-26 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 18:15 +0100, Simon Cross wrote: > 250 texts for £10 via a API, awesome. I'm paying 6p/msg at the mo. 4p > is very good value. Now placing voice calls in an app Alternatively, I think the BT Together "Option 3 Anytime Plan" gives you 200 texts for £7.95 -- assuming you ha

Re: [backstage] DVD Region 2

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
If someone else says conspiracy do they find themselves back in Kansas? On 26/06/07, Kim Plowright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here in the US, that is not the case. It is much harder to find such DVD > players. Because they contravene the DMCA act? IANAL, and certainly not across american law

Re: [backstage] BT 21C SDK

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
I'm paying less I think from www.bulksms.co.uk and they have a API too On 26/06/07, Simon Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Very Cool. 250 texts for £10 via a API, awesome. I'm paying 6p/msg at the mo. 4p is very good value. Now placing voice calls in an app S -Original Message- F

Re: [backstage] DVD Region 2

2007-06-26 Thread Kim Plowright
Here in the US, that is not the case. It is much harder to find such DVD players. Because they contravene the DMCA act? IANAL, and certainly not across american law, but I thought it expressly forbade the circumventing of content locks? Incidentally, I'm sure the only reason BBC content isn't w

Re: [backstage] DVD Region 2

2007-06-26 Thread Davinder Mahal
On Jun 26, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Ben O'Neill wrote: Do regions actually mean anything anymore? Most of my DVD players can play any region, only a really old Sony one enforced the regions. Ben O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] True for those living in the UK. You can go to any shop and pickup a D

RE: [backstage] BT 21C SDK

2007-06-26 Thread Simon Cross
Very Cool. 250 texts for £10 via a API, awesome. I'm paying 6p/msg at the mo. 4p is very good value. Now placing voice calls in an app S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: 26 June 2007 18:01 To: backstage@lists.b

RE: [backstage] BT 21C SDK

2007-06-26 Thread Christopher Woods
Ah, another person on the 21CSDK mailing list ;) Have you seen how much the access credits are priced at, though? Wow! > -Original Message- > From: Jason Cartwright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 June 2007 18:01 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: [backstage] BT 21C SDK > >

RE: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Christopher Woods
I am also against the use of WM DRM as a matter of principle, but I think we all have to realise that the iPlayer trial is a closed, walled-garden trial, and I fully expect the setup to change once a viable alternative is developed and brought to a quality level where it's robust enough to handle e

Re: [backstage] DVD Region 2

2007-06-26 Thread Ben O'Neill
On 26 Jun 2007, at 15:19, Richard Hyett wrote: In last weeks 'This Week in Tech' Leo Laporte made the point that many of the BBC's titles on DVD were only available on 'Region 2' format. Region 2 works fine on in Middle East, Iceland, Western Europe, Central Europe, Egypt, French overseas

[backstage] BT 21C SDK

2007-06-26 Thread Jason Cartwright
http://sdk.bt.com/ This has just gone live (it was beta, or something, before). Very interesting. J - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archiv

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Jason Cartwright
>> the intention isn't to stop you creating your own >> original content it's to guarantee a revenue stream for the creative types >> who originate stuff in the first place. > > The intention is to block the use of non-MS products, presumably > somebody at the BBC holds shares in this company and

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Andy
On 25/06/07, Graeme Mulvaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't agree with piracy and it annoys the hell out of me when I see entire episodes of BBC programming published on places like YouTube Why does it annoy you? the BBC don't mind, if they did they would have asked google to take them down

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
Basically what you are saying here is that these trail services (and yes I know that) will all be rebranded iPlayer. Given that the BBC keeps going from BBCi to bbc.co.uk and back again it is a little difficult for people who wish to be consistant to aruge about a service when things change. Ba

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 26/06/07, Ian Betteridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 26/06/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tell you what, you go and actually read the BBC and Ofcom documents > about the service so you know what you are talking about and then repost, > eh? "So with this level of n

RE: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Andrew Bowden
* Seven-day catch-up television over cable This is the existing Telewest-desiged cable TV STREAMING repeats service that already exists and is in use. Actually it's a trial. I wouldn't expect people to widely know that, because it was never labelled as a trial.

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Ian Betteridge
On 26/06/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, as the bottom three services HAVE already launched, I don't dig your odds. Actually, podcasts are still a trial. They haven't officially launched. And I refer you to the quote I sent, where Highfield quite clearly referred to

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 26/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth On 26/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ma

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Ian Betteridge
On 26/06/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tell you what, you go and actually read the BBC and Ofcom documents about the service so you know what you are talking about and then repost, eh? "So with this level of nascent demand, we want to make BBC iPlayer as widely available

RE: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth On 26/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL P

[backstage] DVD Region 2

2007-06-26 Thread Richard Hyett
In last weeks 'This Week in Tech' Leo Laporte made the point that many of the BBC's titles on DVD were only available on 'Region 2' format. Region 2 works fine on in Middle East, Iceland, Western Europe, Central Europe, Egypt, French overseas territories, Greenland, Japan, Lesotho, South Africa a

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 26/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth On 26/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're kidding, right? > > > The service on Virgin isn't the ipl

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Richard Lockwood
On 6/26/07, Matthew Somerville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Woodhouse wrote: > I don't think it's particularly off-topic at all. We're talking about a > technical measure which gratuitously prevents the kind of development > and collaboration which I thought this list was supposed to promote

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Matthew Somerville
David Woodhouse wrote: > I don't think it's particularly off-topic at all. We're talking about a > technical measure which gratuitously prevents the kind of development > and collaboration which I thought this list was supposed to promote and > encourage. This is a "discussion list for anyone keen

RE: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth On 26/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You're kidding, right?

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 11:36 +0100, Ian Betteridge wrote: > On 26/06/07, David Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 10:00 +0100, Ian Betteridge wrote: > > > I happen to think you're completely wrong, on pretty much every > > > count, > > > > So you think that DRM actually _

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 26/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You're kidding, right? The service on Virgin isn't the iplayer, it's implemented via Virgin's existing service that already provides BBC repeats that's been running for a couple of years now. The same document approved the service but it

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Ian Betteridge
On 26/06/07, David Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 10:00 +0100, Ian Betteridge wrote: > I happen to think you're completely wrong, on pretty much every count, So you think that DRM actually _works_ for its (supposedly) intended purpose, and prevents criminals from cop

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 10:00 +0100, Ian Betteridge wrote: > I happen to think you're completely wrong, on pretty much every count, So you think that DRM actually _works_ for its (supposedly) intended purpose, and prevents criminals from copying content? You think that it _won't_ end up just making

RE: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Andrew Bowden
You're kidding, right? The service on Virgin isn't the iplayer, it's implemented via Virgin's existing service that already provides BBC repeats that's been running for a couple of years now. The same document approved the service but it is NOT the iPlayer. The P

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread vijay chopra
On 25/06/07, Graeme Mulvaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This has nothing to do with freedom of choice or public service remit... its just another woe-pen source bandwagon - instead of bickering about the BBC using Microsofts' DRM, get together and come up with a suitable open-alternative - tha

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 26/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth On 25/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 25/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > The Act also states: > > > > (

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Paul Makepeace
On 6/26/07, Ian Betteridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 26/06/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The BBC should be, in my humble opinion, about creating content for the > use of licence fee payers. As long as no payment is received, licence fee > payers should be able to wa

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Ian Betteridge
On 26/06/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The BBC should be, in my humble opinion, about creating content for the use of licence fee payers. As long as no payment is received, licence fee payers should be able to watch, listen, store, forward, cut-and-paste and mash up any cont

RE: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth On 25/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 25/06/07, Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > The Act also states:

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 25/06/07, Graeme Mulvaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If no iPlayer is preferable to a DRM iPlayer then what's the problem, just don't use the thing - nobody is forcing you to do anything. That, however much it might be your point of view, is not "a choice". I don't agree with piracy an