Re: [backstage] Can't cannot to BBC radio streams

2007-09-17 Thread Brian Butterworth
I did notice that a DRM codec installed itself on a computer with WMP11 on Friday... I'll check it out when I get to that office in a few hours. On 17/09/2007, Mark Hingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm in the process of creating a linux-based, lightweight RTSP client for listening to

[backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

2007-09-17 Thread Ian Forrester
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple In the light of the amount of unlocking or hacking going on. Don't you think the rest were actually quite lucky to have not got into this deal with Apple? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable

RE: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

2007-09-17 Thread Darren Stephens
They're nuts to pay that much. Apple are nuts to try to control it. Clearly not, seeing as both they've both done it: demand for the iPhone is likely to be fairly strong and both think it may be proitable, at least in the short to medium term. It may not work as a long term model, but nuts? No.

Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

2007-09-17 Thread Brian Butterworth
I was under the impression that the law in the UK (and indeed the EU) forbids phone companies from locking phones to networks for more than a year, and if you are already an O2 customer and get one of these phones you can demand it unlocked after your original 12 months are up. On 17/09/2007, Nic

Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

2007-09-17 Thread Adam Lindsay
Ian Forrester wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple (I'm quite curious about the as much as 40% of any revenues quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a consensus of 10%.) In the light of the amount of unlocking or hacking going on. Don't

RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100

2007-09-17 Thread Ian Forrester
I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users. I don't know why but once you buy a mac, your pretty much in the fold and rarely change anything. For example how many mac users have you seen using something else besides itunes to manage there ipod? Or how many

Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100

2007-09-17 Thread Dave Crossland
On 17/09/2007, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users Given the amount of skins for GNU/Linux users' desktops, such as on kde-look.org and gnome-look.org, thats an interesting statement. Apple disapproves of

RE: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

2007-09-17 Thread Andrew Bowden
(I'm quite curious about the as much as 40% of any revenues quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a consensus of 10%.) In the light of the amount of unlocking or hacking going on. Don't you think the rest were actually quite lucky to have not got into this deal with Apple?

Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

2007-09-17 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 17/09/2007, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm quite curious about the as much as 40% of any revenues quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a consensus of 10%.) In the light of the amount of unlocking or hacking going on. Don't you think the rest were actually

Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100

2007-09-17 Thread Brian Butterworth
Ever since Apple decided that it wasn't an OS company and didn't want third parties making boxes for their OS, Apple has been in the business of NOT being a computer company. The whole point of a CPU is that it's general purpose and can be put to many uses, a tool of the user. Apple makes pretty

[backstage] web2open EU: Submit a proposal for the pre chosen session

2007-09-17 Thread Ian Forrester
This is a 'call for speaker' for the 'pre-chosen session' part of the web2open Europe. Submissions are due 7th of October, anything web2.0ish goes, but European focus preferred. http://web2open.eu/entry/9/web2open_EU_Submit_a_proposal_ I hope to be there as a speaker or on my holidays. Ian

RE: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

2007-09-17 Thread Andrew Bowden
On 17/09/2007, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm quite curious about the as much as 40% of any revenues quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a consensus of 10%.) In the light of the amount

RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100

2007-09-17 Thread Dave Cross
Quoting Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users. I suspect you mean Windows users there, rather than PC users. Linux runs on exactly the same PCs as Windows does. And the gap between those and Mac hardware is closing

Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100

2007-09-17 Thread Tom Morris
On 9/17/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users. I don't know why but once you buy a mac, your pretty much in the fold and rarely change anything. For example how many mac users have you seen using something else

Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

2007-09-17 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 17/09/2007, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/09/2007, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm quite curious about the as much as 40% of any revenues quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a consensus of 10%.) In the light of the amount of

[backstage] Mobile Developer Un/Conference/Camp

2007-09-17 Thread Ian Forrester
So with all this hype and attention around mobile phones. What do you guys think about developing for mobile devices? How many of you guys already do? Or what's stopping you? Also is events like “mobilecamp London” (http://www.barcamp.org/mobileCampLondon) and the “Future of Mobile”

Re: [backstage] Can't cannot to BBC radio streams

2007-09-17 Thread Andy
On 17/09/2007, Mark Hingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the RTSP conversation that fails is attached in the file named MarksPlayer-rtsp-to-bbc.txt. The problem seems to be that whenever I issue a SETUP command, I receive a response of 400 Bad Request I know little about RTSP, put I can play spot

RE: [backstage] Mobile Developer Un/Conference/Camp

2007-09-17 Thread Christopher Woods
I'm waiting for something like Python for Mobile Devices - a truly cross-platform language which would allow programmes to go mad. .Net CF is the closest WinMo users can get to that kind of thing at the moment, and while the party is fun for us WM5/6 users Symbian users have their own little

Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price

2007-09-17 Thread Gordon Joly
At 15:30 +0100 17/9/07, Adam Lindsay wrote: Ian Forrester wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple (I'm quite curious about the as much as 40% of any revenues quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a consensus of 10%.) In the light of the

Re: [backstage] Mobile Developer Un/Conference/Camp

2007-09-17 Thread Owen Griffin
On 9/17/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm waiting for something like Python for Mobile Devices - a truly cross-platform language which would allow programmes to go mad. .Net CF is the closest WinMo users can get to that kind of thing at the moment, and while the party is fun

Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100

2007-09-17 Thread Richard P Edwards
Hi All, It is worth mentioning that a lot of third party apps, which are not necessarily favoured by Apple, function well, and follow every new release of the system. It would seem that this system is now full of ideas that at one point were external apps. As for your questions Ian, Q1.

Re: [backstage] Can't cannot to BBC radio streams

2007-09-17 Thread James Cridland
Thanks for this bug report. It's very interesting, and my team are looking at it as we speak. We are aware of some issues with the BBC Radio streams on Windows Media Player. Yours has possibly been the most useful bug report we've seen so far! //j On 9/17/07, Mark Hingston [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[backstage] I would gladly sell the BBC, and all it contains, for my house.

2007-09-17 Thread Frank Wales
At least, I think that's the quote. Anyway, here's a load of gear being flogged by the BBC, just in case there are any people on this list who understand old technical stuff: http://www.goindustry.com/en/speciallist.asp?SaleID=7658Track=AuctionScope=group -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Re: [backstage] Can't cannot to BBC radio streams

2007-09-17 Thread Mark Hingston
On 9/18/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to try changing the / to %5C, If your application doesn't provide that level of control then use telnet (just to see if this is the problem). That was the problem. I actually noticed that and was sure that I had tried replacing the