Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Brian Butterworth]

2008/10/17 Gareth Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>  Brian Butterworth wrote:
>
> Given there are no companies that have both unencrypted and unencrypted
> channels on the EPG, it would still seem that rule is part of Sky's
> contacts...
>
> This is why, for example, Five can't just jump onto Freesat, because it has
> to do Fiver and Five US at the same time!
>
>
> I thought this was a simple case of capacity on Astra 2D. The rights
> agreements signed for the content on the 'five' channels would prevent it
> going FTA on the current transponders as they are on the 'south beam' that
> covers most of Europe.
>

The whole Astra 2D thing is a bit of a red herring.

The Television Without Frontiers directive  (89/552/EEC CHAPTER II, Article
2) allows for any terrestrial channel to be broadcast via satellite in
Europe without encryption.   There is no legal requirement for the
broadcaster to use a "tight beam". (*)

I found about this from when I had a great drunken evening at an IBC
in Amsterdam back in the 90s with some German broadcasters.  What I learned
at that  BT-backed dinner saved the BBC £60m in the end! (**)

It's not like the BBC couldn't allow five a slot on 2D for a short while is
it?  They have duplicated the BBC News channel on both 2A and 2D at the
moment.

Five is going to be on BBC multiplex 1 (or is it B) on Freeview in the
switch-over regions in less than a fortnight in the "Border" region.


(*) There's details about this in Greg Dykes BBC memoirs.
(**) I worked for BT Broadcast Services - we provided most of the satellite
capacity, terrestrial, uplinking, monitoring and switching services for UK
broadcasters including the BBC and Sky.

-- 
> *Gareth Davis* | Production Systems Specialist
> World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global
> News Division
> 8 http://www.bbcworldservice.com/ + 702NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B
> 4PH
>
>



-- 
Please email me back if you need any more help.

Brian Butterworth

http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice,
since 2002

Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Brian Butterworth]

2008/10/17 Andrew Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
>  *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth
> Given there are no companies that have both unencrypted and unencrypted
> channels on the EPG, it would still seem th  at rule is part of Sky's
> contacts...
>
> Sky have unencrypted and encrypted channels - Sky News is Free to Air :o)
>

That simply points outs that Sky provides themselves unfair access and
cross-subsidize their businesses!


>
> I'm also going to presume you meant subscription and non-subscription
> channels as well, as some regional variations of ITV1 are also encrypted
> because they don't sit on Astra 2D, and due to legacy contractual issues,
> there are free to air and free to view versions of some Channel 4 owned
> channels.
>

Yes, Sky are actually encrypting the ITV channels for free.


>
> I'm not entirely sure how much FTV channels (FTA and FTV could be said to
> be the satellite version of freedom of speech and beer :) have to pay
> for EPG fees, but they do have to pay for the encryption - when the BBC went
> in the clear, it saved enough money from not paying encryption, to pay for
> all the missing regional variations to be broadcast.
>

There is a public-domain document out there showing how Sky
give significant discounts on the EPG to broadcasters using the encryption
services from SSSL.

I do know about the BBC stopping using encryption

The odd thing for Sky is that as broadband speeds go up, satellite delivery
for TV programmes looks like an out of date idea.



>
>
>  This is why, for example, Five can't just jump onto Freesat, because it
> has to do Fiver and Five US at the same time!
>
> I suspect Five have a blanket deal that says all their channels are FTV -
> CHannel 4 certainly had something on those lines.
>



-- 


Brian Butterworth

http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice,
since 2002

RE: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Gareth Davis]

Brian Butterworth wrote:


Given there are no companies that have both unencrypted and
unencrypted channels on the EPG, it would still seem that rule is part
of Sky's contacts...


This is why, for example, Five can't just jump onto Freesat,
because it has to do Fiver and Five US at the same time!
 

I thought this was a simple case of capacity on Astra 2D. The rights
agreements signed for the content on the 'five' channels would prevent
it going FTA on the current transponders as they are on the 'south beam'
that covers most of Europe.
-- 
Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist
World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global
News Division
* http://www.bbcworldservice.com/   *
702NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4PH


 

Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Brian Butterworth]

2008/10/17 ST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Quoting Frank Wales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>  Andrew Bowden wrote:
>>
>>> Even for smaller channels, there are "benefits" to being encrypted, such
>>> as reduced EPG listing fees.
>>>
>>
>> It costs less to tell people about your programmes if you encrypt them?
>> The reason being...?
>>
>
>
> Sky give you a discount.


The discount goes some way paying Sky back becuause they charge other
broadcasters for providing the "free dish and boxes".


>
>
> --
> ST
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -
> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please
> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
>  Unofficial list archive:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
>



-- 

Brian Butterworth

http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice,
since 2002

RE: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Andrew Bowden]

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Given there are no companies that have both unencrypted and
unencrypted channels on the EPG, it would still seem th  at rule is part
of Sky's contacts...

Sky have unencrypted and encrypted channels - Sky News is Free to Air
:o)
 
I'm also going to presume you meant subscription and non-subscription
channels as well, as some regional variations of ITV1 are also encrypted
because they don't sit on Astra 2D, and due to legacy contractual
issues, there are free to air and free to view versions of some Channel
4 owned channels.
 
I'm not entirely sure how much FTV channels (FTA and FTV could be said
to be the satellite version of freedom of speech and beer :) have to pay
for EPG fees, but they do have to pay for the encryption - when the BBC
went in the clear, it saved enough money from not paying encryption, to
pay for all the missing regional variations to be broadcast.  



This is why, for example, Five can't just jump onto Freesat,
because it has to do Fiver and Five US at the same time!

I suspect Five have a blanket deal that says all their channels are FTV
- CHannel 4 certainly had something on those lines.

Re: [backstage] subtitles / closed caption data?

[Phil Lewis]

I'm not sure about a 'nice clean API' but I wrote up a wiki doc on
downloading the iPlayer closed caption data at:
http://beebhack.wikia.com/wiki/IPlayer_TV#Subtitles 

Regards

Phil Lewis


On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 16:10 +0100, Dan Brickley wrote:
> Hi folks
> 
> What's the latest news w.r.t. chances of getting access to BBC subtitle 
> / closed caption data via nice clean API? Particularly for news content...
> 
> thanks for any pointers,
> 
> Dan
> 
> --
> http://danbri.org/
> -
> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please 
> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  
> Unofficial list archive: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

-
Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please 
visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  
Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Brian Butterworth]

2008/10/17 Gareth Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > Frank Wales wrote:
> > Andrew Bowden wrote:
> > > Even for smaller channels, there are "benefits" to being encrypted,
> > > such as reduced EPG listing fees.
> >
> > It costs less to tell people about your programmes if you
> > encrypt them?
> > The reason being...?
>
> The same company provides EPG and encryption services, so if you buy
> both you get a discount. I don't know if this is still the case though,
> it's been a good few years since I've been privy to the commercials of
> running a Sky Digital channel.


Given there are no companies that have both unencrypted and unencrypted
channels on the EPG, it would still seem that rule is part of Sky's
contacts...

This is why, for example, Five can't just jump onto Freesat, because it has
to do Fiver and Five US at the same time!


>
>
> --
> Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist
> World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team
> Part of BBC Global News Division
> * http://www.bbcworldservice.com/
>
> -
> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please
> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
>  Unofficial list archive:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
>



-- 

Brian Butterworth

http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice,
since 2002

Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[ST]

Quoting Frank Wales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Andrew Bowden wrote:

Even for smaller channels, there are "benefits" to being encrypted, such
as reduced EPG listing fees.


It costs less to tell people about your programmes if you encrypt them?
The reason being...?



Sky give you a discount.

--
ST

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-
Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please 
visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  
Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

[backstage] subtitles / closed caption data?

[Dan Brickley]

Hi folks

What's the latest news w.r.t. chances of getting access to BBC subtitle 
/ closed caption data via nice clean API? Particularly for news content...


thanks for any pointers,

Dan

--
http://danbri.org/
-
Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please 
visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  
Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

RE: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Gareth Davis]

> Frank Wales wrote:
> Andrew Bowden wrote:
> > Even for smaller channels, there are "benefits" to being encrypted, 
> > such as reduced EPG listing fees.
> 
> It costs less to tell people about your programmes if you 
> encrypt them?
> The reason being...?

The same company provides EPG and encryption services, so if you buy
both you get a discount. I don't know if this is still the case though,
it's been a good few years since I've been privy to the commercials of
running a Sky Digital channel.

-- 
Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist
World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team
Part of BBC Global News Division
* http://www.bbcworldservice.com/ 

-
Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please 
visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  
Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

RE: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Andrew Bowden]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Andrew Bowden wrote:
> > Even for smaller channels, there are "benefits" to being encrypted, 
> > such as reduced EPG listing fees.
> It costs less to tell people about your programmes if you 
> encrypt them?
> The reason being...?

Sky effectively subsidise certain costs for (certain) subscription
channels.  

-
Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please 
visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  
Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Frank Wales]

Andrew Bowden wrote:
> Even for smaller channels, there are "benefits" to being encrypted, such
> as reduced EPG listing fees. 

It costs less to tell people about your programmes if you encrypt them?
The reason being...?
-- 
Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please 
visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  
Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

RE: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Andrew Bowden]

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
2008/10/17 Phil Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Dawkins knows why UKTV uses SSSL encryption on it's satellite
services, free to air channels get all the viewers!

But not necessarily the money.  There's a statistic I saw in the book
Sky High - it's a couple of years old now so very out of date, but at
that point (~1998) Sky One's revenue was derived 85% from subscription.
The rest was a mixture of sponsorship and advertising.  A popular
channel on subscription can raise a reasonable amount of money that way.

Even for smaller channels, there are "benefits" to being encrypted, such
as reduced EPG listing fees. 

Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Brian Butterworth]

2008/10/17 Phil Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Doesn't the BBC also derive some of it's funding from non-license fee
> activities? If this is the case then C4 and the BBC are both indirectly
> funded by the tax payer and commercial activities although in different
> proportions and to a different scale.


BBC Worldwide is forbidden to compete directly with BBC services, but it
does flog lots of magazines and DVDs using BBC brands.

The main BBC Worldwide activity in the UK is UKTV, home of "Dave" and
"Watch", "Blighty" and "Alibi" etc.  This is 50% BBCWW and 50% Virgin Media.

Dawkins knows why UKTV uses SSSL encryption on it's satellite services, free
to air channels get all the viewers!


>
>
> Since most residents are TV license payers and the vast majority of
> those will be UK tax payers, I think there should also be a similar
> campaign for non-DRM-encumbered output on C4 also :-) After all,
> national DTT muxes and UHF channels don't come cheap -


The new Discovery slot on Multiplex A is said to have cost between £10-£30m
p/a to rent from SDN (or ITV plc as they are known).



> if they were
> auctioned commercially to C4 I'm sure the gov't would make quite a large
> amount of money in the order of billions of £s.


Well, not billions.  But if 1/8th of a multiplex is £20m p/a, that makes C4
statutory half of multiplex 2 worth around £80m a year.

However, the coverage of Mux 2 is "universal" rather than "commercial" so
this would shove the price up a bit.



>
>
>
> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 11:12 +0100, Brian Butterworth wrote:
> > 2008/10/17 Kevin Hinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Iain Wallace wrote:
> > > > So it looks like C4 is shareholder-free.
> > >
> > > Wow, every day is a school day. I never realised that. Even
> > > so, none of my money is going towards Channel 4 so I don't
> > > feel like it's any of my business how they digitally
> > > distribute their programming.
> >
> >
> > In a sense, some of your money goes towards Channel 4 because
> > they get
> > free analogue spectrum in return for their public service
> > responsibilities. Hard to say exactly what the value of that
> > subsidy is.
> >
> >
> > This isn't strictly true.  Channel 4 IS a public service broadcaster,
> > has been since the first day.For this reason they were provided
> > with the fourth UHF channel in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland
> > by the Broadcasting Act 1980, and granted half a Freeview multiplex by
> > the 1996 Act.
> >
> >
> > Whatever happened to backstage's OFCOM mole?
> >
> >
> > He got too senior a job there!
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevin.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To
> > unsubscribe, please visit
> > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
>  Unofficial list archive:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian Butterworth
> >
> > NEW LOOK! http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and
> > switchover advice, since 2002
> >
>
> -
> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please
> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
>  Unofficial list archive:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
>



-- 

Brian Butterworth

http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice,
since 2002

Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Phil Lewis]

Doesn't the BBC also derive some of it's funding from non-license fee
activities? If this is the case then C4 and the BBC are both indirectly
funded by the tax payer and commercial activities although in different
proportions and to a different scale. 

Since most residents are TV license payers and the vast majority of
those will be UK tax payers, I think there should also be a similar
campaign for non-DRM-encumbered output on C4 also :-) After all,
national DTT muxes and UHF channels don't come cheap - if they were
auctioned commercially to C4 I'm sure the gov't would make quite a large
amount of money in the order of billions of £s.


On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 11:12 +0100, Brian Butterworth wrote:
> 2008/10/17 Kevin Hinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Iain Wallace wrote:
> > > So it looks like C4 is shareholder-free.
> >
> > Wow, every day is a school day. I never realised that. Even
> > so, none of my money is going towards Channel 4 so I don't
> > feel like it's any of my business how they digitally
> > distribute their programming.
> 
> 
> In a sense, some of your money goes towards Channel 4 because
> they get
> free analogue spectrum in return for their public service
> responsibilities. Hard to say exactly what the value of that
> subsidy is.
> 
> 
> This isn't strictly true.  Channel 4 IS a public service broadcaster,
> has been since the first day.For this reason they were provided
> with the fourth UHF channel in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland
> by the Broadcasting Act 1980, and granted half a Freeview multiplex by
> the 1996 Act.
>  
> 
> Whatever happened to backstage's OFCOM mole?
> 
> 
> He got too senior a job there!
>  
> 
> 
> Kevin.
> 
> 
> -
> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To
> unsubscribe, please visit
> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  
> Unofficial list archive: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Brian Butterworth
> 
> NEW LOOK! http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and
> switchover advice, since 2002
> 

-
Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please 
visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  
Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Brian Butterworth]

2008/10/17 Kevin Hinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Iain Wallace wrote:
> > > So it looks like C4 is shareholder-free.
> >
> > Wow, every day is a school day. I never realised that. Even
> > so, none of my money is going towards Channel 4 so I don't
> > feel like it's any of my business how they digitally
> > distribute their programming.
>
> In a sense, some of your money goes towards Channel 4 because they get
> free analogue spectrum in return for their public service
> responsibilities. Hard to say exactly what the value of that subsidy is.


This isn't strictly true.  Channel 4 IS a public service broadcaster, has
been since the first day.For this reason they were provided with the
fourth UHF channel in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland by the
Broadcasting
Act 1980, and granted half a Freeview multiplex by the 1996 Act.


>
> Whatever happened to backstage's OFCOM mole?


He got too senior a job there!


>
>
> Kevin.
>
> -
> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please
> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
>  Unofficial list archive:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
>



-- 

Brian Butterworth

NEW LOOK! http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and
switchover advice, since 2002

RE: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

[Kevin Hinde]

Iain Wallace wrote:
> > So it looks like C4 is shareholder-free.
> 
> Wow, every day is a school day. I never realised that. Even 
> so, none of my money is going towards Channel 4 so I don't 
> feel like it's any of my business how they digitally 
> distribute their programming.

In a sense, some of your money goes towards Channel 4 because they get
free analogue spectrum in return for their public service
responsibilities. Hard to say exactly what the value of that subsidy is.
Whatever happened to backstage's OFCOM mole?

Kevin.

-
Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please 
visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  
Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

Re: [backstage] BBC.co.uk not working

[Brian Butterworth]

Everything seems to be OK now :D
2008/10/17 John O'Donovan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> The News and sport sites are OK but there might be some intermittent
> problems elsewhere. Could you let me know which ISP you are on?
>
> Cheers,
>
> jod
>
> 
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Fri 10/17/2008 07:24
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Subject: [backstage] BBC.co.uk not working
>
>
>
> BBC.co.uk not working?
>
>


-- 


Brian Butterworth

http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice,
since 2002

RE: [backstage] BBC.co.uk not working

[John O'Donovan]

Thanks - proving to be an intermittent issue but this helps. The service desk 
are looking into it.
 
jod



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth
Sent: Fri 10/17/2008 08:47
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC.co.uk not working


John, 

At home, I'm on Be, I couldn't listen to BBC Radio 5 Live this morning.  I 
could not "Wake Up To Money!"

Not sure about from my server's ISP, here's the traceroute...

 traceroute: Warning: bbc.co.uk   has multiple addresses; 
using 212.58.224.138  
traceroute to bbc.co.uk   (212.58.224.138 
 ), 30 hops max, 46 byte packets
 1  83.223.102.195   (83.223.102.195 
 )  0.476 msIcmp checksum is wrong
Icmp checksum is wrong
  4.221 ms  54.259 ms
 2  ge-1-3-0.core-1.lhc.lon.uk.as29017.net 
  (89.145.125.14 
 )  0.413 ms  0.757 ms  0.488 ms
 3  ge-0-3-0.edge-1.sov.lon.uk.as29017.net 
  (89.145.125.18 
 )  0.492 ms  0.485 ms  0.490 ms
 4  bbc-gw0-linx.prt0.thdoe.bbc.co.uk 
  (195.66.224.103 
 )  0.989 ms  1.022 ms  0.741 ms
 5  212.58.238.153   (212.58.238.153 
 )  0.997 ms  0.931 ms  1.000 ms

Seems to be quite close...


2008/10/17 John O'Donovan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


The News and sport sites are OK but there might be some intermittent 
problems elsewhere. Could you let me know which ISP you are on?

Cheers,

jod



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 10/17/2008 07:24
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] BBC.co.uk   not working




BBC.co.uk   not working?






-- 
Brian Butterworth

http://www.ukfree.tv   - independent digital television 
and switchover advice, since 2002

Re: [backstage] BBC.co.uk not working

[Brian Butterworth]

John,
At home, I'm on Be, I couldn't listen to BBC Radio 5 Live this morning.  I
could not "Wake Up To Money!"

Not sure about from my server's ISP, here's the traceroute...

 traceroute: Warning: bbc.co.uk has multiple addresses; using 212.58.224.138
traceroute to bbc.co.uk (212.58.224.138), 30 hops max, 46 byte packets
 1  83.223.102.195 (83.223.102.195)  0.476 msIcmp checksum is wrong
Icmp checksum is wrong
  4.221 ms  54.259 ms
 2  ge-1-3-0.core-1.lhc.lon.uk.as29017.net (89.145.125.14)  0.413 ms  0.757
ms  0.488 ms
 3  ge-0-3-0.edge-1.sov.lon.uk.as29017.net (89.145.125.18)  0.492 ms  0.485
ms  0.490 ms
 4  bbc-gw0-linx.prt0.thdoe.bbc.co.uk (195.66.224.103)  0.989 ms  1.022 ms
 0.741 ms
 5  212.58.238.153 (212.58.238.153)  0.997 ms  0.931 ms  1.000 ms

Seems to be quite close...


2008/10/17 John O'Donovan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> The News and sport sites are OK but there might be some intermittent
> problems elsewhere. Could you let me know which ISP you are on?
>
> Cheers,
>
> jod
>
> 
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Fri 10/17/2008 07:24
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Subject: [backstage] BBC.co.uk not working
>
>
>
> BBC.co.uk not working?
>
>


-- 
Brian Butterworth

http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice,
since 2002

Re: [backstage] BBC.co.uk not working

[Brian Butterworth]

I've lost all my listing feeds from bbc.co.uk/ schedules overnight and I
couldn't get to Robert Peston's blog earlier.

2008/10/17 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  BBC.co.uk not working?
>



-- 

Brian Butterworth

http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice,
since 2002