[backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/newspapers-and-thinking-the-unthinkable/ I was fascinated by this piece. Example: Society doesn’t need newspapers. What we need is journalism. I waited for him to cite the example of the BBC as a model that could survive the Internet revolution... but he didn't, surely because in the USA there is no equivalent. I concur with his viewpoint that business models are being broken faster than new ones can be invented. Sean. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
I concur with his viewpoint that business models are being broken faster than new ones can be invented. Business models and distribution methods, the demand for high quality content however remains constant, as long as that doesn't change there will always be a need for journalists, writers, photographers and all the people who support them. However problem with generating revenue from this work, beyond recognition at least, will only get harder. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
I waited for him to cite the example of the BBC as a model that could survive the Internet revolution... but he didn't, surely because in the USA there is no equivalent. To be fair he does mention NPR as a successful model (or at least a less unsuccessful one). National Public Radio is a radio network funded by donations and voluntary subscriptions (with some government funding as well). PBS TV has the same funding model, and both services are regarded as the main source of highbrow content in the US. Americans routinely think of the BBC as the PBS/NPR of the UK, which is both gratifying (they are associated with high quality media) and frustrating (PBS/NPR content can often be seen as too worthy or righteous, and equating the two doesn't convey the sheer scale and scope of the BBC) Brendan. Sean DALY wrote: http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/newspapers-and-thinking-the-unthinkable/ I was fascinated by this piece. Example: Society doesn’t need newspapers. What we need is journalism. I waited for him to cite the example of the BBC as a model that could survive the Internet revolution... but he didn't, surely because in the USA there is no equivalent. I concur with his viewpoint that business models are being broken faster than new ones can be invented. Sean. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
2009/3/15 Andy Halsall andyhals...@ictsc.com: I concur with his viewpoint that business models are being broken faster than new ones can be invented. Business models and distribution methods, the demand for high quality content however remains constant, as long as that doesn't change there will always be a need for journalists, writers, photographers and all the people who support them. However problem with generating revenue from this work, beyond recognition at least, will only get harder. There will always be a need for people doing journalism, writing well-informed opinions, taking the right photos at the right time in the right place. But we don't need other people to support us do these things any more. So as it gets harder to generate revenue from these activities, the people who support the activities and turn them into 'work' - which directly means, the organisations who support and employ the activity-participants - are collapsing in the vacuum. And this also means the demand for high quality content is changing; because what defined 'high quality' is changing. Sharable and modifiable are now crucial parts of what make up high quality, and HD quality broadcast footage is facing stiff competition from HD quality off-my-pocket-camera. Cheers, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
Yes, quite, when I said no equivalent I was precisely thinking of the gargantuan scale of the BBC (with correspondents worldwide!) compared to PBS which has to pitifully beg viewers for contributions all the time... Sean On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Brendan Quinn brendan.qu...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I waited for him to cite the example of the BBC as a model that could survive the Internet revolution... but he didn't, surely because in the USA there is no equivalent. To be fair he does mention NPR as a successful model (or at least a less unsuccessful one). National Public Radio is a radio network funded by donations and voluntary subscriptions (with some government funding as well). PBS TV has the same funding model, and both services are regarded as the main source of highbrow content in the US. Americans routinely think of the BBC as the PBS/NPR of the UK, which is both gratifying (they are associated with high quality media) and frustrating (PBS/NPR content can often be seen as too worthy or righteous, and equating the two doesn't convey the sheer scale and scope of the BBC) Brendan. Sean DALY wrote: http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/newspapers-and-thinking-the-unthinkable/ I was fascinated by this piece. Example: Society doesn’t need newspapers. What we need is journalism. I waited for him to cite the example of the BBC as a model that could survive the Internet revolution... but he didn't, surely because in the USA there is no equivalent. I concur with his viewpoint that business models are being broken faster than new ones can be invented. Sean. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
This is purely my personal opinion. The BBC has a huge influence in the global society. We all know that.Next question? Sam Mbale Mpelembe Network http://www.mpelembe.net Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/3/15 Andy Halsall andyhals...@ictsc.com: I concur with his viewpoint that business models are being broken faster than new ones can be invented. Business models and distribution methods, the demand for high quality content however remains constant, as long as that doesn't change there will always be a need for journalists, writers, photographers and all the people who support them. However problem with generating revenue from this work, beyond recognition at least, will only get harder. There will always be a need for people doing journalism, writing well-informed opinions, taking the right photos at the right time in the right place. But we don't need other people to support us do these things any more. So as it gets harder to generate revenue from these activities, the people who support the activities and turn them into 'work' - which directly means, the organisations who support and employ the activity-participants - are collapsing in the vacuum. And this also means the demand for high quality content is changing; because what defined 'high quality' is changing. Sharable and modifiable are now crucial parts of what make up high quality, and HD quality broadcast footage is facing stiff competition from HD quality off-my-pocket-camera. Cheers, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
