Re: [backstage] What is TV?

2009-12-15 Thread Frank Wales
Rain wrote: Wot that pastime you only end up doing if you really, really have nothing better to to do instead? Oh, I know, I know! Is it: "debate the meaning of 'TV'"? -- Frank Wales [fr...@limov.com] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://ba

Re: [backstage] What is TV?

2009-12-15 Thread Rain
Wot that pastime you only end up doing if you really, really have nothing better to to do instead? (okay, 'Thick of it' is alright...) R --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Dominic Smith wrote: > From: Dominic Smith > Subject: Re: [backstage] What is TV? > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Date: Tuesday,

Re: [backstage] What is TV?

2009-12-15 Thread Dominic Smith
>From the International Telecommunications Union Radio Regulations: Television: A form of telecommunication for the transmission of transient images of fixed or moving objects. (where 'telecommunication' is defined in the annex to the Constitution of the International Telecommunication Union as:

Re: [backstage] What is TV?

2009-12-15 Thread Ian Stirling
Brian Butterworth wrote: Another way of looking at TV is that is the delivery of audio visual services using high capacity omnidirectional technology. I think you mean broadcast. Clearly, in 1980, you absolutely cannot do 'video on demand' for everyone. The playback technology diddn't exist

Re: [backstage] Is this BBC "Homeplug" product legal?

2009-12-15 Thread Paul Webster
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:17:47 +, you wrote: >On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:11, Paul Webster wrote: > >> Radio Society has more info >> http://www.rsgb.org/plt/ >> In particular they are chasing after the Comtrend models supplied by BT. >> >> >I thought the Comtrend powerline adapters aren't "Home

Re: [backstage] Is this BBC "Homeplug" product legal?

2009-12-15 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:11, Paul Webster wrote: > Radio Society has more info > http://www.rsgb.org/plt/ > In particular they are chasing after the Comtrend models supplied by BT. > > I thought the Comtrend powerline adapters aren't "HomePlug" ( http://www.homeplug.org/) standard compliant. Wh

Re: [backstage] embedding API for iplayer in webapps?

2009-12-15 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 15-Dec-2009, at 13:37, Dan Brickley wrote: > A year or two ago, there was a nice proof of concept showing iplayer > embedded within Facebook. And there was inconclusive discussion here a > while back about APIs. What's the current state of art? The stock EMP embedding code, last I looked, can

[backstage] embedding API for iplayer in webapps?

2009-12-15 Thread Dan Brickley
Hi folks A year or two ago, there was a nice proof of concept showing iplayer embedded within Facebook. And there was inconclusive discussion here a while back about APIs. What's the current state of art? Context: In the NoTube project, I am looking at possible lightweight standards for connectin

Re: [backstage] Is this BBC "Homeplug" product legal?

2009-12-15 Thread Paul Webster
Radio Society has more info http://www.rsgb.org/plt/ In particular they are chasing after the Comtrend models supplied by BT. Paul On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:24:53 +, you wrote: >Oops, same team did look into internal systems, but the noise problem is >similar. I'll see if I can find their rep

Re: [backstage] Is this BBC "Homeplug" product legal?

2009-12-15 Thread Simon Thompson
Oops, same team did look into internal systems, but the noise problem is similar. I'll see if I can find their report. Mo McRoberts wrote: On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:33, Simon Thompson wrote: The RF noise generated by these technologies is quite bad, it's in a band where noise can propogate

Re: [backstage] Is this BBC "Homeplug" product legal?

2009-12-15 Thread Simon Thompson
Wasn't encryption an option on Homeplug 1.0? I thought it came with either a default password or the option to switch it on. Stephen Jolly wrote: On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:33, Simon Thompson wrote: Also, it's very easy to demodulate the Ethernet traffic radiated from your house wiring from on

Re: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?

2009-12-15 Thread Peter Bowyer
2009/12/15 Mo McRoberts : > > On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:40, Ian Forrester wrote: > >> 2017 right after the Vista upgrade right? > > I heard a report† that 37.6% of sales of Windows Vista were in fact Siemens > stockpiling supplies so that there would still be copies around near the end > of the next

Re: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?

2009-12-15 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:40, Ian Forrester wrote: > 2017 right after the Vista upgrade right? I heard a report† that 37.6% of sales of Windows Vista were in fact Siemens stockpiling supplies so that there would still be copies around near the end of the next decade. M. -- mo mcroberts http://n

Re: [backstage] Is this BBC "Homeplug" product legal?

2009-12-15 Thread Alan Pope
2009/12/15 Simon Thompson : > Also, it's very easy to demodulate the Ethernet traffic radiated from your > house wiring from one of these systems - it's not very secure! > Mitigated by the use of 128bit AES encryption (in the ones I have anyway). Cheers, Al. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk dis

Re: [backstage] Is this BBC "Homeplug" product legal?

2009-12-15 Thread Stephen Jolly
On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:33, Simon Thompson wrote: > Also, it's very easy to demodulate the Ethernet traffic radiated from your > house wiring from one of these systems - it's not very secure! I think the Homeplug AV standard uses 128-bit AES traffic encryption, which should be enough to foil the c

Re: [backstage] Is this BBC "Homeplug" product legal?

2009-12-15 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:33, Simon Thompson wrote: > The RF noise generated by these technologies is quite bad, it's in a band > where noise can propogate worldwide via the ionosphere. It can prevent > receivers locking to, or demodulating a signal. > > http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/

RE: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?

2009-12-15 Thread Ian Forrester
2017 right after the Vista upgrade right? Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC R&D North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-b

Re: [backstage] Is this BBC "Homeplug" product legal?

2009-12-15 Thread Simon Thompson
The RF noise generated by these technologies is quite bad, it's in a band where noise can propogate worldwide via the ionosphere. It can prevent receivers locking to, or demodulating a signal. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp-pdf-files/WHP116.pdf Also, it's very easy to demodulate

Re: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?

2009-12-15 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:17, Andrew Bowden wrote: >> Last I checked, so is (much of) the BBC. I'm sure somebody >> here is well-placed to correct me if this is no longer the case! > > As far as I know, all the BBC now has IE7 installed, however it was only > a few months ago that they did the upgr

[backstage] BBC R&D Wiki page

2009-12-15 Thread Ant Miller
With the minute amount of time I can spare I've taken the plunge and put an updated entry on the BBC R&D page on wikipedia- it's not much, and I haven't even fixed the logo- plu it redirects to BBC Research ( a non existent entity!). Rather than run the risk of being accused of rampant commercial

RE: [backstage] Is this BBC "Homeplug" product legal?

2009-12-15 Thread Andrew Bowden
Router upstairs in back bedroom. Freesat set top box downstairs in living room. Master phone socket at the bottom of the stairs. Homeplug's far easier in such a scenario - which is the scenario in my house. Freesat are a joint venture, 50% owned by the BBC and 50% owned by ITV plc, so it's not

RE: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?

2009-12-15 Thread Andrew Bowden
> Last I checked, so is (much of) the BBC. I'm sure somebody > here is well-placed to correct me if this is no longer the case! As far as I know, all the BBC now has IE7 installed, however it was only a few months ago that they did the upgrade. Firefox is now available to all staff if they reque

Re: [backstage] What is TV?

2009-12-15 Thread Ant Miller
Not definitional but: TV is a large international engineering, entertainment, and journalism complex with a contiguous attitude toward it's 'audience' and in most cases, it's 'customers/clients' (aka advertisers). It is a culture under threat, and reacting to that threat with several contradicto