Re: [backstage] What is TV?
Not definitional but: TV is a large international engineering, entertainment, and journalism complex with a contiguous attitude toward it's 'audience' and in most cases, it's 'customers/clients' (aka advertisers). It is a culture under threat, and reacting to that threat with several contradictory trends- a flight to quality and niche (think HBO and the abandonment of the mass audience model), a flight to immediacy (think 24 hours rolling news) and a flight to audience centrism (think ultra local TV and the cult of UGC). These reactions and more are pulling apart the consensus at the heart of TV- there is no perfect TV anymore, if there ever was. What was 'perfect TV'? It was the idea of commecially sustainable programming of a wide range and high quality that utilised steadily advancing technology to deliver better pictures and sound to more people and to build ever larger audiences. It was not more choice. It was not revolutionaly technology. It was not a technological fracturing of the audience and their devices. Perfect TV is dead, and to tell the truth it never really existed anyway. Institutions like the BBC (and RAI, RTE etc.) were anomalous in the global TV industry, and we need to recognise that. We need to understand that on a global scale TV is commercial, and the BBC then as now oppoerates along side commercial partners in terms of technology and content. The two key differences are that we don't carry adverts (and so do not have the 'client relationship' that defines most of TV) and that we have, instead, developed a strong social contract. As the technology changes in the global market throw TV globally into turmoil, we will be thrown into turmoil too. TV is what mass communications and publishing was before the internet reached most people's homes. TV the industry- the industrial/ entertainment/ journalism complex- is trying very hard to move into the internet enabled world, but whether it will successfully do so by porting most of it'sbusiness wholesale into the IP delivered infrastrucutre (a la Hulu/ iplayer) or my being an integrated and enriching element of the whole integrated mesh of digital objects and relationships (which can btw include the content that is bottled up in products like Hulu) remains to be seen. Arguably, the internet could by sheer technological evolutionary pressure democratise all content. But that in itself is a threat to the web of business that TV is bringing to the party. TV is a dinosaur sleepwalking off a cliff. a (personal opinion only natch) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Ian Stirling backstage...@mauve.plus.com: Mo McRoberts wrote: Discuss. TV is live simultaneous transmission of pictures, I'm not sure live transmission is definitional; most TV isn't live, although it started off that way AIUI. where you can have a large number of people over a significant distance watching one event. I'm not sure broadcasting events is definitional. For me, TV is broadcast video, which is to say, TV is video that a mass audience watches simultaneously. To paraphrase McLuhan, as the medium of our time - computer networks - is reshaping and restructuring patterns of social interdependence and every aspect of our personal life, the way video is disseminated is changing. TV is still possible with the internet, but it is a very minor way for video to be published. Just as theatre is still going, but in a very minor way compared to the prominance it had because electric technology. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?
Last I checked, so is (much of) the BBC. I'm sure somebody here is well-placed to correct me if this is no longer the case! As far as I know, all the BBC now has IE7 installed, however it was only a few months ago that they did the upgrade. Firefox is now available to all staff if they request it however it's not part of the default installation. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Is this BBC Homeplug product legal?
Router upstairs in back bedroom. Freesat set top box downstairs in living room. Master phone socket at the bottom of the stairs. Homeplug's far easier in such a scenario - which is the scenario in my house. Freesat are a joint venture, 50% owned by the BBC and 50% owned by ITV plc, so it's not really Auntie's brand. They have taken the decision to inform the public that there are different ways to connect their set top box using the various available methods - ethernet, Homeplug and wireless bridge. All are legal and valid at this time. From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 14 December 2009 17:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Is this BBC Homeplug product legal? As someone who has been responsible for installation of enough cat5 to Why would you want to use a HomePlug? People used to have landline phones upstairs, and everyone was happy with wires for that. HomePlug is not just pointless, it is expensive and is to radio hams as light pollution is to astronomers. Is there something ... not iPlayer ... about a cat5 cable? I can understand BT doing Homeplug, because BT is a telco, but Freesat is Auntie's brand! 2009/12/14 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net On 14-Dec-2009, at 16:29, Brian Butterworth wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ttLGbZI7k Nice video - but it's using these http://www.homeplugs.co.uk/ Homeplug adaptor. I can't find anywhere where it says that these Homeplug things are legal. They didn't used to be. They've been sold in the UK since the late 80s... Can someone point out where I can find where it says they are legit? A number of trolls have descended on my site saying that they are not, and I can't find a definitive answer. There's an going dispute between the The Radio Society and Ofcom (see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/power_line_networking/), but kit compliant with the standards is perfectly legal. M. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
[backstage] BBC RD Wiki page
With the minute amount of time I can spare I've taken the plunge and put an updated entry on the BBC RD page on wikipedia- it's not much, and I haven't even fixed the logo- plu it redirects to BBC Research ( a non existent entity!). Rather than run the risk of being accused of rampant commercial self promotion, I'd like to turn to the backstage community to contribute what they can about RD- perhaps you can't pop much there, but I'd appreciate all you can put in. I'm a very very occasional wikipedian, and not at all sure that as a BBC employee I ought to be putting lots up there, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Research (I've proposed reverting to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BBC_R%26Dredirect=no ) ta a -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?
On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:17, Andrew Bowden wrote: Last I checked, so is (much of) the BBC. I'm sure somebody here is well-placed to correct me if this is no longer the case! As far as I know, all the BBC now has IE7 installed, however it was only a few months ago that they did the upgrade. So presumably the upgrade to IE8 will happen in about 2017? ;) M. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Is this BBC Homeplug product legal?
The RF noise generated by these technologies is quite bad, it's in a band where noise can propogate worldwide via the ionosphere. It can prevent receivers locking to, or demodulating a signal. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp-pdf-files/WHP116.pdf Also, it's very easy to demodulate the Ethernet traffic radiated from your house wiring from one of these systems - it's not very secure! Simon PS Single wire telephone extensions? Alan Pope wrote: 2009/12/14 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv: As someone who has been responsible for installation of enough cat5 to Why would you want to use a HomePlug? Because it's easier than flood wiring the whole house. People used to have landline phones upstairs, and everyone was happy with wires for that. Usually one wire, singular. With HomePlug I can have ethernet wherever there is a power point, and I do move them around now and then. HomePlug is not just pointless, it is expensive and is to radio hams as light pollution is to astronomers. I must say I'd never heard of the radio interference at all. Cheers, Al. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- *Simon Thompson MEng MIET* Research and Development Engineer mailto:simon.thomp...@rd.bbc.co.uk
RE: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?
2017 right after the Vista upgrade right? Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 15 December 2009 10:24 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded? On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:17, Andrew Bowden wrote: Last I checked, so is (much of) the BBC. I'm sure somebody here is well-placed to correct me if this is no longer the case! As far as I know, all the BBC now has IE7 installed, however it was only a few months ago that they did the upgrade. So presumably the upgrade to IE8 will happen in about 2017? ;) M. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Is this BBC Homeplug product legal?
On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:33, Simon Thompson wrote: Also, it's very easy to demodulate the Ethernet traffic radiated from your house wiring from one of these systems - it's not very secure! I think the Homeplug AV standard uses 128-bit AES traffic encryption, which should be enough to foil the casual attacker, assuming it's competently implemented. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Is this BBC Homeplug product legal?
2009/12/15 Simon Thompson simon.thomp...@rd.bbc.co.uk: Also, it's very easy to demodulate the Ethernet traffic radiated from your house wiring from one of these systems - it's not very secure! Mitigated by the use of 128bit AES encryption (in the ones I have anyway). Cheers, Al. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?
On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:40, Ian Forrester wrote: 2017 right after the Vista upgrade right? I heard a report† that 37.6% of sales of Windows Vista were in fact Siemens stockpiling supplies so that there would still be copies around near the end of the next decade. M. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ † This is a complete lie. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?
2009/12/15 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net: On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:40, Ian Forrester wrote: 2017 right after the Vista upgrade right? I heard a report† that 37.6% of sales of Windows Vista were in fact Siemens stockpiling supplies so that there would still be copies around near the end of the next decade. I'd contest that. 47% were CSC doing the same. -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Is this BBC Homeplug product legal?
Wasn't encryption an option on Homeplug 1.0? I thought it came with either a default password or the option to switch it on. Stephen Jolly wrote: On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:33, Simon Thompson wrote: Also, it's very easy to demodulate the Ethernet traffic radiated from your house wiring from one of these systems - it's not very secure! I think the Homeplug AV standard uses 128-bit AES traffic encryption, which should be enough to foil the casual attacker, assuming it's competently implemented. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- *Simon Thompson MEng MIET* Research and Development Engineer mailto:simon.thomp...@rd.bbc.co.uk
Re: [backstage] Is this BBC Homeplug product legal?
Oops, same team did look into internal systems, but the noise problem is similar. I'll see if I can find their report. Mo McRoberts wrote: On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:33, Simon Thompson wrote: The RF noise generated by these technologies is quite bad, it's in a band where noise can propogate worldwide via the ionosphere. It can prevent receivers locking to, or demodulating a signal. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp-pdf-files/WHP116.pdf Is that not a four and a half year old report into a trial of a PLT system which delivered broadband access via power supply lines, rather than a product which makes use of internal power cabling to provide home networking? (I realise the underlying tech is similar, though things have moved on a bit in that time, but context is somewhat important, no?) M. -- *Simon Thompson MEng MIET* Research and Development Engineer PRINCE2^TM Registered Practitioner *BBC Research and Development* A209, Kingswood Warren, Woodland Way, Tadworth, Surrey, KT20 6NP *T:* 01737 839818 *E:* simon.thomp...@rd.bbc.co.uk mailto:simon.thomp...@rd.bbc.co.uk
Re: [backstage] Is this BBC Homeplug product legal?
Radio Society has more info http://www.rsgb.org/plt/ In particular they are chasing after the Comtrend models supplied by BT. Paul On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:24:53 +, you wrote: Oops, same team did look into internal systems, but the noise problem is similar. I'll see if I can find their report. Mo McRoberts wrote: On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:33, Simon Thompson wrote: The RF noise generated by these technologies is quite bad, it's in a band where noise can propogate worldwide via the ionosphere. It can prevent receivers locking to, or demodulating a signal. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp-pdf-files/WHP116.pdf Is that not a four and a half year old report into a trial of a PLT system which delivered broadband access via power supply lines, rather than a product which makes use of internal power cabling to provide home networking? (I realise the underlying tech is similar, though things have moved on a bit in that time, but context is somewhat important, no?) M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] embedding API for iplayer in webapps?
Hi folks A year or two ago, there was a nice proof of concept showing iplayer embedded within Facebook. And there was inconclusive discussion here a while back about APIs. What's the current state of art? Context: In the NoTube project, I am looking at possible lightweight standards for connecting smartphone remotes with Web-based video sites, so that pressing pause/play/rewind/fave/tag etc on your handheld can be communicated up to a javascript/html-based player. I've been testing XMPP so far, and using the XMPP BOSH spec for linking up to the HTML/.js stuff (via Strophe.js). I'm not yet convinced this will be responsive enough for real use, and want to do some tests with real video and radio sites. Having made some quick mockups with HTML5 video, it was quite fun being able to have an iphone app flip between videos running in a Web page; however it was also pretty annoying when the XMPP connection was too slow. I think it's time to make some more realistic tests, and I'd love to try something with iplayer if that is possible now or soon... Pointers? plans? is there any kind of API usable now? searching around I couldn't find much... Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] embedding API for iplayer in webapps?
On 15-Dec-2009, at 13:37, Dan Brickley wrote: A year or two ago, there was a nice proof of concept showing iplayer embedded within Facebook. And there was inconclusive discussion here a while back about APIs. What's the current state of art? The stock EMP embedding code, last I looked, can be tweaked to show iPlayer programmes instead of the news clips, etc., it’s supposed to be used for (this is entirely unsupported, of course). However, I don’t know how much interactivity it affords from the JS side of things. HTML5 video, QuickTime or (failing that) a custom player is your best bet. Context: In the NoTube project, I am looking at possible lightweight standards for connecting smartphone remotes with Web-based video sites, so that pressing pause/play/rewind/fave/tag etc on your handheld can be communicated up to a javascript/html-based player. I've been testing XMPP so far, and using the XMPP BOSH spec for linking up to the HTML/.js stuff (via Strophe.js). I'm not yet convinced this will be responsive enough for real use, and want to do some tests with real video and radio sites. Having made some quick mockups with HTML5 video, it was quite fun being able to have an iphone app flip between videos running in a Web page; however it was also pretty annoying when the XMPP connection was too slow. I think it's time to make some more realistic tests, and I'd love to try something with iplayer if that is possible now or soon... XMPP seems a bit heavyweight for this. On the device side, send a GET a request to the http://server/endpoint/action. This is, curiously enough,not far off what the iTunes/Apple TV remote protocol is like. Have the endpoint push the action into a queue which is delivered to the desktop player page using whatever flavour of technology IPC you desire (obviously if it’s a multi-threaded appserver you can just tack the events onto the end of the queue in-place…) It won’t work in IE, but you could look to multipart/x-mixed-replace with a plain text or JSON payload via an XMLHTTPRequest connection as an efficient way of pushing events to the client from the server (with appropriate handling such that if you hear nothing from the server after a while, you open a new polling connection—I’d maybe have the server send a null packet every 15 seconds or so just to indicate that it’s still alive). M. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Is this BBC Homeplug product legal?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:11, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: Radio Society has more info http://www.rsgb.org/plt/ In particular they are chasing after the Comtrend models supplied by BT. I thought the Comtrend powerline adapters aren't HomePlug ( http://www.homeplug.org/) standard compliant. Which makes me wonder why people are drawing the conclusion that all PLAs are bad, when at worst it appears to be a relative handful of non-standard ones that may be causing a limited amount of interference. It's like saying that because some cars on the road don't meet emissions standards then all cars don't and that all cars are illegal, going by some of the posts on the forums linked to in this thread. Scot
Re: [backstage] Is this BBC Homeplug product legal?
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:17:47 +, you wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:11, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: Radio Society has more info http://www.rsgb.org/plt/ In particular they are chasing after the Comtrend models supplied by BT. I thought the Comtrend powerline adapters aren't HomePlug ( http://www.homeplug.org/) standard compliant. Which makes me wonder why people are drawing the conclusion that all PLAs are bad, when at worst it appears to be a relative handful of non-standard ones that may be causing a limited amount of interference. It's like saying that because some cars on the road don't meet emissions standards then all cars don't and that all cars are illegal, going by some of the posts on the forums linked to in this thread. BT website says: This product is compatible with all other DS2 powerline adapters - it isn't compatible with the Homeplug adapters. Their organisation is: http://www.upaplc.org/page_viewer.asp?pid=5 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is TV?
Brian Butterworth wrote: Another way of looking at TV is that is the delivery of audio visual services using high capacity omnidirectional technology. I think you mean broadcast. Clearly, in 1980, you absolutely cannot do 'video on demand' for everyone. The playback technology diddn't exist, the networks diddn't exist, the end-user terminal would have cost more than the house. In 1990, little had changed. By 2000, you could just about do it, with huge amounts of investment - tens of billions? In 2010, it's an annoying amount of infrastructure, and there are many bottlenecks in some parts of the country. In 2020 - several megabit bandwidths will typically be available to most peoples phones, and certainly not a problem for several peoples streams to the home. In 2030 - 'Now - your grandparents used to all sit down at the same time...' Going from now to then is going to be the fun part - and the only certainty is that lots of people will lose their shirts along the way, and government will feel the need to 'do something'. In 2030, I don't see any drivers that will lead away from the majority of the market being pay-per-view in some form. This does not quite mean the death of channels. For example. 7AM on a monday - the new Dr Who - series 24 episode 13 becomes available for bidding. There are several sorts of rights that purchasers can buy. They can buy regionally exclusive rights - for example - a channel can buy the right to show Dr Who in the UK over the next 3 days for all their users for 5p/copy, with any other channels paying 20p/copy if they wish to show it during the 3 days, and individuals paying 30p. Individuals can also purchase the rights to watch - if you want to watch on monday, it's going to be more expensive than if you wait 8 weeks. It can be cheaper for you to purchase a channel package, which will have adverts targetted at you as digital product placement in the program - the dalek will have a BQ, Lidl or Ikea toilet plunger on it. You may even have premium and non-premium channels - where the non-premium channels pick up everything after a week. Then, you will I suspect have the government effectively bidding on certain classes of program, the 'crown jewels'. I'd also expect some programs to be 'shareware' - where viewing is free, and you can pay what you like at the end. If the program makes money, it keeps getting made. And many other forms of distribution. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is TV?
From the International Telecommunications Union Radio Regulations: Television: A form of telecommunication for the transmission of transient images of fixed or moving objects. (where 'telecommunication' is defined in the annex to the Constitution of the International Telecommunication Union as: 'Any transmission, emission or reception of signs, signals, writings, images and sounds or intelligence of any nature by wire, radio, optical or other electromagnetic systems.') Source: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfrsid=5f7baa88c0b0605780a2e4f8eaee9eaargn=div8view=textnode=47:1.0.1.1.3.1.218.1idno=47 Note that television does not have to be a broadcast. My amateur radio licence permits the transmission of television on a broadly one-to-one basis, and broadcasting (one-to-many) is specifically prohibited. I think that that defintion of 'television' probably still holds. It would presumably mean that iPlayer, and other streamed media, content _is_ television, given that wire is specifically included in the defintion of transmission. I'm not a lawyer, however, and wouldn't want to get into the debate about whether watersheds and other TV regulations should apply online (and, if so, whether the timezone at the server or client counts...) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is TV?
Wot that pastime you only end up doing if you really, really have nothing better to to do instead? (okay, 'Thick of it' is alright...) R --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Dominic Smith d...@domsmith.co.uk wrote: From: Dominic Smith d...@domsmith.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] What is TV? To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 5:30 PM From the International Telecommunications Union Radio Regulations: Television: A form of telecommunication for the transmission of transient images of fixed or moving objects. (where 'telecommunication' is defined in the annex to the Constitution of the International Telecommunication Union as: 'Any transmission, emission or reception of signs, signals, writings, images and sounds or intelligence of any nature by wire, radio, optical or other electromagnetic systems.') Source: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfrsid=5f7baa88c0b0605780a2e4f8eaee9eaargn=div8view=textnode=47:1.0.1.1.3.1.218.1idno=47 Note that television does not have to be a broadcast. My amateur radio licence permits the transmission of television on a broadly one-to-one basis, and broadcasting (one-to-many) is specifically prohibited. I think that that defintion of 'television' probably still holds. It would presumably mean that iPlayer, and other streamed media, content _is_ television, given that wire is specifically included in the defintion of transmission. I'm not a lawyer, however, and wouldn't want to get into the debate about whether watersheds and other TV regulations should apply online (and, if so, whether the timezone at the server or client counts...) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is TV?
Rain wrote: Wot that pastime you only end up doing if you really, really have nothing better to to do instead? Oh, I know, I know! Is it: debate the meaning of 'TV'? -- Frank Wales [fr...@limov.com] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
