Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Dave Crossland]

http://koolu.com/ is going to sell OpenMoko Neo handsets with Android
preinstalled, btw.
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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Matt Hammond]

Just came across this video:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YFw9p0TjT8

Midway through this video (@ 1m40s), it fairly clearly implies there might  
actually be a proper magnetic compass in the G1 after all. The guys says  
you can spin around on the spot to rotate the Google Street View  
viewpoint. Thats rather nifty :-)




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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Rob Myers]

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Dave Crossland wrote:

> I'd guess that under-projected desk-size multitouch screens like the
> one Jeff Han became famous with at TED Talsk 2006(?) would complement
> an over-head high res camera for 'scanning' better, so that shadows
> don't annoy (and the pointing doesn't seem very accurate in the first
> demo of the calculator... But it is 199_1_! :-)

Projector tables and blob tracking were a staple on the electronic art
circuit from the early 1990s, it's taken a long time for this to seep
back to centres of "innovation" like Microsoft. ;-)

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Dave Crossland]

2008/9/25 Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thursday 25 September 2008 16:22:26 Dave Crossland wrote:
>> Xerox didn't invent touchscreens with (pseudo) 3D accelerated
>> interaction models AFAIK ;p
>
> Circa 1991 - Xerox Europarc's Digital Desk.

Wow! Awesome - thanks Michael! :-)

> projection onto a real desk and scanning in things on the desk as a
> result)

I'd guess that under-projected desk-size multitouch screens like the
one Jeff Han became famous with at TED Talsk 2006(?) would complement
an over-head high res camera for 'scanning' better, so that shadows
don't annoy (and the pointing doesn't seem very accurate in the first
demo of the calculator... But it is 199_1_! :-)

Cheers,
Dave
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Dave Crossland]

2008/9/25 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >> >
>> >> > Shall I carry on?
>> >>
>> >> Okay, I agree that for the UI it seems Microsoft has similar features
>> >> to Apple and Google.
>> >
>> > Ah, the Windows, Icons, Mouse and Pointer invented so very long ago by
>> > Xerox
>>
>> Xerox didn't invent touchscreens with (pseudo) 3D accelerated
>> interaction models AFAIK ;p
>
> Sorry, I thought we were talking about the User Interface not the input
> methods...

These aren't as discrete as you suggest; ie, the M in WIMP is an input
method, the WI&P are UIs.

And the UIs of these phones don't seem very WIMPish to me:
Touchscreens collapse the separation between the Mouse and Pointer,
and the screen size of mobile computers is small which means
overlapping Windowing doesn't work well. Thus the visual dominance of
the icons in the iPhone OS UI, and the invisibility of the majority of
the modes of interaction.

> Not sure about touchscreens, Wikipedia says "Virtually all of the
> significant touchscreen technology patents were filed during the 1970s and
> 1980s and have expired."
> And I'm sure that the gyroscopic sensors were around back when "Tomorrow's
> World" was on...

Sure, none of the individual parts - fast CPU, big RAM, solid state
disk, 3D graphics chip, high res color display okay in sunlight, touch
screen input, long battery life, wireless, GPS, gyroscope, and pocket
size form factor for all - are new this decade by a long shot, and I
have a sense that the fastest rate of computer hardware innovation was
in the 70s.

But the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, and the price drop
is staggering.

> Perhaps this just proves Android=mashup OS?

AIUI the iPhone has the mashup OS, because the only way to program it
seriously is with webapps. However, Android (if it isn't fettered) and
OpenMoko (which has protection against fettering via GPL) provide
access to the hardware so developers can really program these devices.

Over on the Free Software Business mailing list recently, Tom Lord
paraphrased Eben Moglen's outline of the strategy of GPLv3:

"The strategy:  engage in diplomacy with [cloud computing
vendors] and push as hard as you can on all forms of
truly personal computing in software freedom.

Rationale:  In 10 years, the number of people with access
to personal computing hardware is going to skyrocket relative
even to today's numbers.  That is where the main action [is].
In 10 years, the ad-broker model will have broken when
the price-bubble on ads bursts and also when users get fed
up with the privatized secret police starting to emerge out
of the muck -- and given all of that available *personal*
computing, the [software freedom] community will have
ample room to work around those scary services."
- http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?msn:12045:cllbikaneglapjlfljcf

(IMO a nice thread if you have time, btw)

In contrast it seems most people are planning for the core of the
network to continue outpacing the periphery. I'm not sure, because it
seems likely that portable computing will follow the same price-power
curve that desktop computing did. Plus, I agree with Moglen/Lord that
there will be several large privacy disasters - of the kind that we in
the UK are most familiar with thanks to our data-greedy yet
incompetent state.

Together this will put people off centralised cloud computing and on
to personal cloud computing.

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Tim Dobson]

Dave Crossland wrote:

Quite. That Android is Apache and not GPL is a serious bug IMO,
because I mistrust hardware vendors and don't trust phone networks at
all to not turn parts of the phones they ship proprietary.


Have you tried the FDOM images for freerunner?
They are seriously sweet :)

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution

I'm using it now and it seriously rocks the box.

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Michael]

On Thursday 25 September 2008 16:22:26 Dave Crossland wrote:
> Xerox didn't invent touchscreens with (pseudo) 3D accelerated
> interaction models AFAIK ;p

Circa 1991 - Xerox Europarc's Digital Desk.
   * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkO0dgfRnoU

Skip ahead to 3 minutes 30 seconds or so. Unlike current multitouch things, 
its vision is far further than what we have today. (through including things 
like projection onto a real desk and scanning in things on the desk as a 
result)

(ever since seeing this, I've only ever gotten desks with white surfaces, to 
leave options open :)


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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Brian Butterworth]

2008/9/25 Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/9/24 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > 2008/9/24 Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> 2008/9/24 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > Touchflo 3D -
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbzVuhzdCFk&feature=related
> >> > TouchWiz UI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Ky6nwR8ms
> >> >
> >> > Shall I carry on?
> >>
> >> Okay, I agree that for the UI it seems Microsoft has similar features
> >> to Apple and Google.
> >
> > Ah, the Windows, Icons, Mouse and Pointer invented so very long ago by
> Xerox
>
> Xerox didn't invent touchscreens with (pseudo) 3D accelerated
> interaction models AFAIK ;p


Sorry, I thought we were talking about the User Interface not the input
methods...

Not sure about touchscreens, Wikipedia says "Virtually all of the
significant touchscreen technology patents were filed during the 1970s and
1980s and have expired."

And I'm sure that the gyroscopic sensors were around back when "Tomorrow's
World" was on...

Perhaps this just proves Android=mashup OS?




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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Dave Crossland]

2008/9/25 Matt Hammond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> * greater egalatarianism between apps - ie. you can replace functionality of
> built in apps - such as messaging/phone (though if an operator chooses to
> lock it down?...)

Quite. That Android is Apache and not GPL is a serious bug IMO,
because I mistrust hardware vendors and don't trust phone networks at
all to not turn parts of the phones they ship proprietary.

Thus I'm sticking with the freerunner.

Best,
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Dave Crossland]

2008/9/24 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/9/24 Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> 2008/9/24 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > Touchflo 3D - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbzVuhzdCFk&feature=related
>> > TouchWiz UI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Ky6nwR8ms
>> >
>> > Shall I carry on?
>>
>> Okay, I agree that for the UI it seems Microsoft has similar features
>> to Apple and Google.
>
> Ah, the Windows, Icons, Mouse and Pointer invented so very long ago by Xerox

Xerox didn't invent touchscreens with (pseudo) 3D accelerated
interaction models AFAIK ;p
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Michael]

On Thursday 25 September 2008 11:44:01 Ian Forrester wrote:
> Once again, a reason for the non-geeks to buy the Dream/G1/1st Gphone?

I'm unclear, but I suspect that the Android Marketplace having very
different policies from the Apple App store will become a differentiator.
Essentially, a number of developers are coming to the conclusion that
it is risky to develop commercial apps for the iPhone essentially due to
gatekeeper issues.

(Google aren't in competition with those developing for the platform)

http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/23/apple-extends-non-disclosure-to-app-store-rejection-letters/
http://speirs.org/2008/09/12/app-store-im-out/

Some people are so boggled by what's happening with the iPhone that it's 
resulted in things like this:
   * http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1151.html

The effect I suspect, unless Apple change their minds, will be a shift of
developers to the Gphone - a bit like what happened when the BBC bought
H2G2, coinciding with wikipedia being founded...


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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Sam Mbale]

Damm you Orange for not getting the contract. Really don't want to switch
contracts yet.
I switched from T-mobile to orange when I learned that Google had plans of
developing a mobile device with orange.
 source -
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1536776.ece

T-mobile were not happy with me terminating a contract prematurely. shucks!
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Alright so maybe it might be possible to do a so-so compass with a GPS
> device but...
>
> Once again, a reason for the non-geeks to buy the Dream/G1/1st Gphone? Or
> maybe there isn't one and its truly a phone for geeks and geeks alone? Damm
> you Orange for not getting the contract. Really don't want to switch
> contracts yet.
>
> Cheers
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth
> Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 8:06 AM
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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>
> I know it took less that 15 seconds of Google, but...
>
> http://www.speakesensors.com/PDF/scl0041.pdf
>
>
> 2008/9/24 Phil Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> It can't be a compass directly, but many GPS receivers can show
> you your
>> direction of travel on a compass-like display.
>
>
>I seem to remember my N95 has a pretty good compass in it.
>GPS+accelerometer = standing-still compass.
>
>Phil
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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

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STOP MAILING> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:48:12 +0100> To: 
backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk> Subject: Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for 
Tuesday> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The impression I've gotten is that the 
distinguishing features of Android > are that:> > * it is a fresh, relatively 
clean, publicly documented API (as opposed to > the legacy cruft of the APIs on 
Windows and other platforms)> > * greater egalatarianism between apps - ie. you 
can replace functionality > of built in apps - such as messaging/phone (though 
if an operator chooses > to lock it down?...)> > * nice high level funky app 
services built in too - such as google maps, > location etc. that make it easy 
to embed (mashup?) these capabilities into > your own applications?> > > Matt> 
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:44:01 +0100, Ian Forrester > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:> > > Alright so maybe it might be possible to do a so-so compass with a 
GPS > > device but...> >> > Once again, a reason for the non-geeks to buy the 
Dream/G1/1st Gphone? > > Or maybe there isn't one and its truly a phone for 
geeks and geeks > > alone? Damm you Orange for not getting the contract. Really 
don't want > > to switch contracts yet.> >> > Cheers> >> > -Original 
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seconds of Google, but...> >> > http://www.speakesensors.com/PDF/scl0041.pdf> 
>> >> > 2008/9/24 Phil Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> >> > > It can't be a 
compass directly, but many GPS receivers can show you > > your> > > direction 
of travel on a compass-like display.> > > > > > I seem to remember my N95 has a 
pretty good compass in it.> > GPS+accelerometer = standing-still compass.> > > 
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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

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STOP MAILING> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:48:12 +0100> To: 
backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk> Subject: Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for 
Tuesday> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The impression I've gotten is that the 
distinguishing features of Android > are that:> > * it is a fresh, relatively 
clean, publicly documented API (as opposed to > the legacy cruft of the APIs on 
Windows and other platforms)> > * greater egalatarianism between apps - ie. you 
can replace functionality > of built in apps - such as messaging/phone (though 
if an operator chooses > to lock it down?...)> > * nice high level funky app 
services built in too - such as google maps, > location etc. that make it easy 
to embed (mashup?) these capabilities into > your own applications?> > > Matt> 
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:44:01 +0100, Ian Forrester > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:> > > Alright so maybe it might be possible to do a so-so compass with a 
GPS > > device but...> >> > Once again, a reason for the non-geeks to buy the 
Dream/G1/1st Gphone? > > Or maybe there isn't one and its truly a phone for 
geeks and geeks > > alone? Damm you Orange for not getting the contract. Really 
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>> >> > 2008/9/24 Phil Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> >> > > It can't be a 
compass directly, but many GPS receivers can show you > > your> > > direction 
of travel on a compass-like display.> > > > > > I seem to remember my N95 has a 
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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Billy Abbott]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Ian Forrester wrote:

Once again, a reason for the non-geeks to buy the Dream/G1/1st Gphone? 
Or maybe there isn't one and its truly a phone for geeks and geeks 
alone?


As yet, as far as I can see, it is a phone for geeks alone. However, I 
suspect that this could well be the initial intention as the early 
adopters will also be those most likely to develop for the platform, and 
the wodge of cash being offered in competitions (if my memories of Open 
Tech aren't as hazy as I think they are) can only help. Once you've got 
your geeky posse, and the occasional company understanding that this is 
happening, on board, the applications flow, the platform becomes useful 
and the non-geeks come running to get their nice, free, open apps that 
don't come through the iTunes store. Maybe.


All of it without much effort from google to actually build the 
killer-apps.


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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Brian Butterworth]

I would say that the whole point of the G1 is that is IS a geeks phone.
We need a real platform to develop on, one with keyboard, pointer, GPS,
compass, 3G and all the gubbins.

Once we have got our hands on one, we can get the killer apps together!



2008/9/25 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Alright so maybe it might be possible to do a so-so compass with a GPS
> device but...
>
> Once again, a reason for the non-geeks to buy the Dream/G1/1st Gphone? Or
> maybe there isn't one and its truly a phone for geeks and geeks alone? Damm
> you Orange for not getting the contract. Really don't want to switch
> contracts yet.
>
> Cheers
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth
> Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 8:06 AM
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday
>
> I know it took less that 15 seconds of Google, but...
>
> http://www.speakesensors.com/PDF/scl0041.pdf
>
>
> 2008/9/24 Phil Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> It can't be a compass directly, but many GPS receivers can show
> you your
>> direction of travel on a compass-like display.
>
>
>I seem to remember my N95 has a pretty good compass in it.
>GPS+accelerometer = standing-still compass.
>
>Phil
>
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Matt Hammond]

The impression I've gotten is that the distinguishing features of Android  
are that:


* it is a fresh, relatively clean, publicly documented API (as opposed to  
the legacy cruft of the APIs on Windows and other platforms)


* greater egalatarianism between apps - ie. you can replace functionality  
of built in apps - such as messaging/phone (though if an operator chooses  
to lock it down?...)


* nice high level funky app services built in too - such as google maps,  
location etc. that make it easy to embed (mashup?) these capabilities into  
your own applications?



Matt

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:44:01 +0100, Ian Forrester  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Alright so maybe it might be possible to do a so-so compass with a GPS  
device but...


Once again, a reason for the non-geeks to buy the Dream/G1/1st Gphone?  
Or maybe there isn't one and its truly a phone for geeks and geeks  
alone? Damm you Orange for not getting the contract. Really don't want  
to switch contracts yet.


Cheers

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I know it took less that 15 seconds of Google, but...

http://www.speakesensors.com/PDF/scl0041.pdf


2008/9/24 Phil Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


	> It can't be a compass directly, but many GPS receivers can show you  
your

> direction of travel on a compass-like display.


I seem to remember my N95 has a pretty good compass in it.
GPS+accelerometer = standing-still compass.

Phil

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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Ian Forrester]

Alright so maybe it might be possible to do a so-so compass with a GPS device 
but...

Once again, a reason for the non-geeks to buy the Dream/G1/1st Gphone? Or maybe 
there isn't one and its truly a phone for geeks and geeks alone? Damm you 
Orange for not getting the contract. Really don't want to switch contracts yet.

Cheers

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I know it took less that 15 seconds of Google, but...

http://www.speakesensors.com/PDF/scl0041.pdf


2008/9/24 Phil Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> It can't be a compass directly, but many GPS receivers can show you 
your
> direction of travel on a compass-like display.


I seem to remember my N95 has a pretty good compass in it.
GPS+accelerometer = standing-still compass.

Phil

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Brian Butterworth]

I know it took less that 15 seconds of Google, but...
http://www.speakesensors.com/PDF/scl0041.pdf

2008/9/24 Phil Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > It can't be a compass directly, but many GPS receivers can show you your
> > direction of travel on a compass-like display.
>
> I seem to remember my N95 has a pretty good compass in it.
> GPS+accelerometer = standing-still compass.
>
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Jim Tonge]

I got a pretty good compass out of a Christmas cracker last year ;)

On 24 Sep 2008, at 20:34, "Phil Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


It can't be a compass directly, but many GPS receivers can show you  
your

direction of travel on a compass-like display.


I seem to remember my N95 has a pretty good compass in it.
GPS+accelerometer = standing-still compass.

Phil
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Phil Wilson]

> It can't be a compass directly, but many GPS receivers can show you your
> direction of travel on a compass-like display.

I seem to remember my N95 has a pretty good compass in it.
GPS+accelerometer = standing-still compass.

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Steve Jolly]

Brian Butterworth wrote:
Sorry, a "GPS compass".  I worked on GPS for ages back in the day and 
don't ever recall GPS being able to be a compass.


It can't be a compass directly, but many GPS receivers can show you your 
direction of travel on a compass-like display.


S

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Brian Butterworth]

Re: Compass...

http://code.google.com/android/reference/com/google/android/maps/MyLocationOverlay.html#enableCompass()

2008/9/24 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  Thanks Brian, I keep meaning to add to the presentation because the
> pacemaker is such a revolutionary device.
>
> GPS and Compass? are you sure?
>
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>
>  Ian,
>
> the gPhone has both GPS and a compass, I can think of loads of applications
> for that.
>
> But I'm worried now, Jemima Kiss has twittered "So apparently G1 is a dog's
> dinner. I'll reserve judgement until I get my hands on one."
>
> PS: Loved the mixtape presentation on your website.
>
> 2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>  I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the google
>> phone over windows mobile?
>>
>> Maybe its just me?
>>
>> Ian Forrester
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>>
>>   same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- Munich, 
>> Germany<http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2008/home.html> I
>> have won a bet, drink up!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I feel an "early adoption" coming on...
>>>
>>> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday
>>>
>>>
>>> http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en
>>>
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Jim Tonge]

Indeed. Perhaps I overestimated Google's desire to have mass adoption.  
Maybe they're playing safe til they have a solid platform - I know my  
opinion of Apple has been dented by buggy 2.0 software and  
questionable app acceptance practices.


Jim

On 24 Sep 2008, at 01:43, "Ian Forrester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
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From that article,

"It's just very exciting for me as a computer geek to have a phone I  
can play with and modify."


See this is what I mean.

Don't get me wrong for backstage and the community of developers,  
geeks, hackers, etc. Its going to be great to have a phone which is  
open enough to modify and change but for "consumers" what's the big  
deal?


As Jim Tonge pointed out its all about marketing and google are not  
doing that.


Anyway we'll find out real soon. I'm looking forward to dual booting  
my HTC phone real soon.


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good article

http://valleywag.com/5053648/brin-and-page-show-up-late-wing-it-at-googlephone-launch

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Brian Butterworth]

Sorry, a "GPS compass".  I worked on GPS for ages back in the day and don't
ever recall GPS being able to be a compass.
Not really sure what is so complicated about "electronic compasses" though,
I would love to hear more.

I was really looking forward to doing my little app to help find your
nearest Freeview transmitter.

2008/9/24 Tom Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> On 24 Sep 2008, at 07:33, Brian Butterworth wrote:
>
>  Yes, I am sure that it has a compass (that's how the Live Streetmap view
>> works in the demos), I'm not 100% sure it is necessarily going to be the
>> killer app...
>>
>
> In my experience, electronic compasses are utterly terrible for consumer
> use. I suspect the Live Streetmap thing might work with a GPS Compass (ie,
> this is the bearing you are walking along) and accelerometer for dead
> reckoning from that bearing.
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Tom Taylor]

On 24 Sep 2008, at 07:33, Brian Butterworth wrote:

Yes, I am sure that it has a compass (that's how the Live Streetmap  
view works in the demos), I'm not 100% sure it is necessarily going  
to be the killer app...


In my experience, electronic compasses are utterly terrible for  
consumer use. I suspect the Live Streetmap thing might work with a GPS  
Compass (ie, this is the bearing you are walking along) and  
accelerometer for dead reckoning from that bearing.

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Brian Butterworth]

2008/9/24 Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/9/24 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Touchflo 3D - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbzVuhzdCFk&feature=related
> > TouchWiz UI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Ky6nwR8ms
> >
> > Shall I carry on?
>
> Okay, I agree that for the UI it seems Microsoft has similar features
> to Apple and Google.


Ah, the Windows, Icons, Mouse and Pointer invented so very long ago by Xerox
at PARC.

You know, I think after three decades the idea is starting to catch on...


>
>
> I wonder how much proprietary software is on the G1?
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Brian Butterworth]

2008/9/24 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  Thanks Brian, I keep meaning to add to the presentation because the
> pacemaker is such a revolutionary device.
>

Please do!


>
> GPS and Compass? are you sure?
>

Yes, I am sure that it has a compass (that's how the Live Streetmap view
works in the demos), I'm not 100% sure it is necessarily going to be the
killer app...




> Ian Forrester
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>
> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday
>
>  Ian,
>
> the gPhone has both GPS and a compass, I can think of loads of applications
> for that.
>
> But I'm worried now, Jemima Kiss has twittered "So apparently G1 is a dog's
> dinner. I'll reserve judgement until I get my hands on one."
>
> PS: Loved the mixtape presentation on your website.
>
> 2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>  I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the google
>> phone over windows mobile?
>>
>> Maybe its just me?
>>
>> Ian Forrester
>>
>> This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable
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>>
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>> *Sent:* 20 September 2008 11:52
>> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday
>>
>>   same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- Munich, 
>> Germany<http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2008/home.html> I
>> have won a bet, drink up!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I feel an "early adoption" coming on...
>>>
>>> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday
>>>
>>>
>>> http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Dave Crossland]

2008/9/24 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Touchflo 3D - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbzVuhzdCFk&feature=related
> TouchWiz UI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Ky6nwR8ms
>
> Shall I carry on?

Okay, I agree that for the UI it seems Microsoft has similar features
to Apple and Google.

I wonder how much proprietary software is on the G1?
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[Sam Mbale]

I'm not sure this is in context, just couldn't resist sharing..

"The problem is not simply that IT people are disgruntled. The problem is
that geeks in general are one culture and suits are a different culture.
They're like oil and water. They have completely different ideas about what
should be going on. The whole situation is loaded with lack of respect and
lack of trust on both sides. ...

"I don't think techies ever doubted they had the keys to car. Now the suits
are starting to realize it. Back in the '90s, I talked to techs who were
fully aware of the Y2K problem, but they were content to sit back and wait
for it to all go to hell. Watching a suit go down in flames is entertainment
for geeks."

-- Author Bill 
Pfleging<http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/09/22/39FE-IT-management-chasm_1.html>,
quoted in an InfoWorld article warning that underappreciated, overburdened
IT workers with broad network privileges represent a ticking time bomb.


*Jump to source*<http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2008/09/quoted-887.html>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Touchflo 3D - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbzVuhzdCFk&feature=related
> TouchWiz UI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Ky6nwR8ms
>
> Shall I carry on?
>
> Ian Forrester
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>
> 2008/9/24 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Dave - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukh5jXjoQBY
>
> Out of the box?
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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Ian Forrester]

Touchflo 3D - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbzVuhzdCFk&feature=related
TouchWiz UI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Ky6nwR8ms

Shall I carry on?

Ian Forrester

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2008/9/24 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dave - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukh5jXjoQBY

Out of the box?
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Sam Mbale]

Okay, I don't know how deep I'll dig my own grave now. Jemima makes
difficult issues interesting which is very good and I like the one liners. As
a developer some of her killer punches do come across as cruel. We do not
have the luxury of time that others have.
just my thoughts


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:43 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You dont read Jemima's work much, then?
>
> On 23/09/2008, Sam Mbale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A bit late to the conversation, Jemima Kiss is a Journalist. G1 is about
> > empowering individuals which in the long run makes centralised control
> > irrelevant. Power to the people!
> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Sam Mbale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> T-Mobile Unveils the 'T-Mobile
> >> <
> http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg
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> >> *G1<
> http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg
> >
> >> *' with Google-the First Phone to
> >> <
> http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg
> >
> >> *...<
> http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg
> >
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Brian Butterworth
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ian,
> >>>
> >>> the gPhone has both GPS and a compass, I can think of loads of
> >>> applications for that.
> >>>
> >>> But I'm worried now, Jemima Kiss has twittered "So apparently G1 is a
> >>> dog's dinner. I'll reserve judgement until I get my hands on one."
> >>>
> >>> PS: Loved the mixtape presentation on your website.
> >>>
> >>> 2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>
> >>>>  I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the
> google
> >>>> phone over windows mobile?
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe its just me?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ian Forrester
> >>>>
> >>>> This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable
> >>>>
> >>>> Senior Producer, BBC Backstage
> >>>> Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ
> >>>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> work: +44 (0)2080083965
> >>>> mob: +44 (0)7711913293
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  --
> >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sam Mbale
> >>>> *Sent:* 20 September 2008 11:52
> >>>> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday
> >>>>
> >>>>  same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- Munich,
> >>>> Germany<
> http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2008/home.html>
> >>>> I
> >>>> have won a bet, drink up!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth <
> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I feel an "early adoption" coming on...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&t

RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Ian Forrester]

>From that article,

"It's just very exciting for me as a computer geek to have a phone I can play 
with and modify."

See this is what I mean.

Don't get me wrong for backstage and the community of developers, geeks, 
hackers, etc. Its going to be great to have a phone which is open enough to 
modify and change but for "consumers" what's the big deal?

As Jim Tonge pointed out its all about marketing and google are not doing that.

Anyway we'll find out real soon. I'm looking forward to dual booting my HTC 
phone real soon.

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good article

http://valleywag.com/5053648/brin-and-page-show-up-late-wing-it-at-googlephone-launch

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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Ian Forrester]

Thanks Brian, I keep meaning to add to the presentation because the pacemaker 
is such a revolutionary device.
 
GPS and Compass? are you sure?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian 
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Ian,


the gPhone has both GPS and a compass, I can think of loads of 
applications for that.

But I'm worried now, Jemima Kiss has twittered "So apparently G1 is a 
dog's dinner. I'll reserve judgement until I get my hands on one."

PS: Loved the mixtape presentation on your website.

2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want 
the google phone over windows mobile?
 
Maybe its just me?

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Tuesday


same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- 
Munich, Germany 
<http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2008/home.html>  
I have won a bet, drink up!


On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I feel an "early adoption" coming on...


http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday


http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Dave Crossland]

2008/9/24 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dave - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukh5jXjoQBY

Out of the box?
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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Ian Forrester]

Dave - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukh5jXjoQBY 

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2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the 
> google phone over windows mobile?
>
> Maybe its just me?

I'm totally ignorant, but I hadn't seen a WinMo do anything like the 
gPhone/iPhone's animated UI.

(Apple doesn't even allow the public to see the API for its canvas, because 
iPhone apps are webapps, but Google has made Skia free software; Skia is the 
high performance canvas library that doesn't require a 3D graphics chip, that 
makes all the iPhone-style bouncy UI animation fly)

Cheers,
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Jim Tonge]

good article

http://valleywag.com/5053648/brin-and-page-show-up-late-wing-it-at-googlephone-launch

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Brian Butterworth]

Seems you can register...

http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/t-mobileg1-whats-hot/

At the press conference they said the phones would be in the UK in the first
week of November, and 2009 Q1 for the rest of Europe.

I'm wondering who told JK that...  Apple's PR?

2008/9/23 Sam Mbale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> A bit late to the conversation, Jemima Kiss is a Journalist. G1 is about
> empowering individuals which in the long run makes centralised control
> irrelevant. Power to the people!
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Sam Mbale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> T-Mobile Unveils the 'T-Mobile 
>> <http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
>> *G1<http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
>> *' with Google-the First Phone to 
>> <http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
>> *...<http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
>> *
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Ian,
>>>
>>> the gPhone has both GPS and a compass, I can think of loads of
>>> applications for that.
>>>
>>> But I'm worried now, Jemima Kiss has twittered "So apparently G1 is a
>>> dog's dinner. I'll reserve judgement until I get my hands on one."
>>>
>>> PS: Loved the mixtape presentation on your website.
>>>
>>> 2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>>  I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the
>>>> google phone over windows mobile?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe its just me?
>>>>
>>>> Ian Forrester
>>>>
>>>> This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable
>>>>
>>>> Senior Producer, BBC Backstage
>>>> Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ
>>>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> work: +44 (0)2080083965
>>>> mob: +44 (0)7711913293
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sam Mbale
>>>> *Sent:* 20 September 2008 11:52
>>>> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday
>>>>
>>>>  same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- Munich, 
>>>> Germany<http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2008/home.html> 
>>>> I
>>>> have won a bet, drink up!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth <
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I feel an "early adoption" coming on...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian Butterworth
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
>>>>> advice, since 2002
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sam Mbale
>>>> Mpelembe Network
>>>> http://www.mpelembe.net
>>>>
>>>> Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brian Butterworth
>>>
>>> http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
>>> advice, since 2002
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sam Mbale
>> Mpelembe Network
>> http://www.mpelembe.net
>>
>> Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe
>>
>>
>
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>
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[peter]

You dont read Jemima's work much, then?

On 23/09/2008, Sam Mbale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A bit late to the conversation, Jemima Kiss is a Journalist. G1 is about
> empowering individuals which in the long run makes centralised control
> irrelevant. Power to the people!
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Sam Mbale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> T-Mobile Unveils the 'T-Mobile
>> <http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
>> *G1<http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
>> *' with Google-the First Phone to
>> <http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
>> *...<http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
>> *
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Brian Butterworth
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>> Ian,
>>>
>>> the gPhone has both GPS and a compass, I can think of loads of
>>> applications for that.
>>>
>>> But I'm worried now, Jemima Kiss has twittered "So apparently G1 is a
>>> dog's dinner. I'll reserve judgement until I get my hands on one."
>>>
>>> PS: Loved the mixtape presentation on your website.
>>>
>>> 2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>>  I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the google
>>>> phone over windows mobile?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe its just me?
>>>>
>>>> Ian Forrester
>>>>
>>>> This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable
>>>>
>>>> Senior Producer, BBC Backstage
>>>> Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ
>>>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> work: +44 (0)2080083965
>>>> mob: +44 (0)7711913293
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sam Mbale
>>>> *Sent:* 20 September 2008 11:52
>>>> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday
>>>>
>>>>  same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- Munich,
>>>> Germany<http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2008/home.html>
>>>> I
>>>> have won a bet, drink up!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth <
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I feel an "early adoption" coming on...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian Butterworth
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
>>>>> advice, since 2002
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sam Mbale
>>>> Mpelembe Network
>>>> http://www.mpelembe.net
>>>>
>>>> Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brian Butterworth
>>>
>>> http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
>>> advice, since 2002
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.mpelembe.net
>>
>> Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe
>>
>>
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Sam Mbale]

A bit late to the conversation, Jemima Kiss is a Journalist. G1 is about
empowering individuals which in the long run makes centralised control
irrelevant. Power to the people!
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Sam Mbale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> T-Mobile Unveils the 'T-Mobile 
> <http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
> *G1<http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
> *' with Google-the First Phone to 
> <http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
> *...<http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=48d9e2f13b637dc5&ei=ChfZSI3wHIGAQ6_jyMAG&url=http%3A//www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-mobile-unveils-t-mobile-g1-google-first/story.aspx%3Fguid%3D%257BD8DEAE42-36D9-4787-B0DD-4812B8CA2698%257D%26dist%3Dhppr&cid=1247938204&usg=AFQjCNFhwjg0PncqLrYzr64ygIl0vA47Hg>
> *
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Ian,
>>
>> the gPhone has both GPS and a compass, I can think of loads of
>> applications for that.
>>
>> But I'm worried now, Jemima Kiss has twittered "So apparently G1 is a
>> dog's dinner. I'll reserve judgement until I get my hands on one."
>>
>> PS: Loved the mixtape presentation on your website.
>>
>> 2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>>  I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the google
>>> phone over windows mobile?
>>>
>>> Maybe its just me?
>>>
>>> Ian Forrester
>>>
>>> This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable
>>>
>>> Senior Producer, BBC Backstage
>>> Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ
>>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> work: +44 (0)2080083965
>>> mob: +44 (0)7711913293
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sam Mbale
>>> *Sent:* 20 September 2008 11:52
>>> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
>>> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday
>>>
>>>  same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- Munich, 
>>> Germany<http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2008/home.html> I
>>> have won a bet, drink up!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I feel an "early adoption" coming on...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Brian Butterworth
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
>>>> advice, since 2002
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sam Mbale
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Butterworth
>>
>> http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
>> advice, since 2002
>>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Sam Mbale]

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*

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Ian,
>
> the gPhone has both GPS and a compass, I can think of loads of applications
> for that.
>
> But I'm worried now, Jemima Kiss has twittered "So apparently G1 is a dog's
> dinner. I'll reserve judgement until I get my hands on one."
>
> PS: Loved the mixtape presentation on your website.
>
> 2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>  I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the google
>> phone over windows mobile?
>>
>> Maybe its just me?
>>
>> Ian Forrester
>>
>> This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable
>>
>> Senior Producer, BBC Backstage
>> Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ
>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> work: +44 (0)2080083965
>> mob: +44 (0)7711913293
>>
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sam Mbale
>> *Sent:* 20 September 2008 11:52
>> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday
>>
>>  same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- Munich, 
>> Germany<http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2008/home.html> I
>> have won a bet, drink up!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I feel an "early adoption" coming on...
>>>
>>> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday
>>>
>>>
>>> http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brian Butterworth
>>>
>>> http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
>>> advice, since 2002
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sam Mbale
>> Mpelembe Network
>> http://www.mpelembe.net
>>
>> Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Butterworth
>
> http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
> advice, since 2002
>



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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Brian Butterworth]

Ian,

the gPhone has both GPS and a compass, I can think of loads of applications
for that.

But I'm worried now, Jemima Kiss has twittered "So apparently G1 is a dog's
dinner. I'll reserve judgement until I get my hands on one."

PS: Loved the mixtape presentation on your website.

2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the google
> phone over windows mobile?
>
> Maybe its just me?
>
> Ian Forrester
>
> This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable
>
> Senior Producer, BBC Backstage
> Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> work: +44 (0)2080083965
> mob: +44 (0)7711913293
>
>
>  --
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sam Mbale
> *Sent:* 20 September 2008 11:52
> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday
>
>  same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- Munich, 
> Germany<http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2008/home.html> I
> have won a bet, drink up!
>
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> I feel an "early adoption" coming on...
>>
>> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday
>>
>>
>> http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Butterworth
>>
>> http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
>> advice, since 2002
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sam Mbale
> Mpelembe Network
> http://www.mpelembe.net
>
> Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe
>
>


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since 2002

Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Fred Phillips]

On Mon Sep 22 21:42:15 2008, Sam Mbale wrote:
> I think  android has unlimited possibilities. Gphone is about users defining
> their own environment.

Which is a wholly “geek” thing to do.

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Sam Mbale]

I think  android has unlimited possibilities. Gphone is about users defining
their own environment.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Jim Tonge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok, I see what you mean.
>
> Although:
>
> - Web n Walk (it's on T-Mobile, right?) is £5 a month for "unlimited"
> internet.
>
> - Google is a brand non-geeks trust - if they market it with Google search,
> Gmail, YouTube and Maps they're laughing. As Apple rightly surmised, people
> do want the lighter side of geek functionality, just not the headache of
> getting it to work.
>
> I think most phones can do what the iPhone does anyway - they just make it
> so difficult people don't bother. My sister wanted an iPhone on the strength
> of its Facebook webapp alone, until I pointed out she could have similar
> access with her 3G-enabled Sony Ericsson and Opera mini.
>
> I guess my point is that it's down to how well it works and how well they
> market it, natch.
>
> On 22 Sep 2008, at 19:07, Ian Forrester wrote:
>
>  But this is the point right.
>>
>> If you're not a geek, why would you consider the Gphone which looks like
>> those scary windows mobile devices?
>>
>> Unlike Apple, there won't be any special data plans or special price
>> points.
>>
>> Ian Forrester
>>
>> This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable
>>
>
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Jim Tonge]

Ok, I see what you mean.

Although:

- Web n Walk (it's on T-Mobile, right?) is £5 a month for "unlimited"  
internet.


- Google is a brand non-geeks trust - if they market it with Google  
search, Gmail, YouTube and Maps they're laughing. As Apple rightly  
surmised, people do want the lighter side of geek functionality, just  
not the headache of getting it to work.


I think most phones can do what the iPhone does anyway - they just  
make it so difficult people don't bother. My sister wanted an iPhone  
on the strength of its Facebook webapp alone, until I pointed out she  
could have similar access with her 3G-enabled Sony Ericsson and Opera  
mini.


I guess my point is that it's down to how well it works and how well  
they market it, natch.


On 22 Sep 2008, at 19:07, Ian Forrester wrote:


But this is the point right.

If you’re not a geek, why would you consider the Gphone which looks  
like those scary windows mobile devices?


Unlike Apple, there won't be any special data plans or special price  
points.


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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Dave Crossland]

2008/9/22 Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the google
> phone over windows mobile?
>
> Maybe its just me?

I'm totally ignorant, but I hadn't seen a WinMo do anything like the
gPhone/iPhone's animated UI.

(Apple doesn't even allow the public to see the API for its canvas,
because iPhone apps are webapps, but Google has made Skia free
software; Skia is the high performance canvas library that doesn't
require a 3D graphics chip, that makes all the iPhone-style bouncy UI
animation fly)

Cheers,
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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Ian Forrester]

But this is the point right. 

If you’re not a geek, why would you consider the Gphone which looks like those 
scary windows mobile devices?

Unlike Apple, there won't be any special data plans or special price points. 

Ian Forrester

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Sent: 22 September 2008 18:39
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Jim Tonge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> surely the proof of android's pudding will be in the eating?
>
> non-geeks i know who used WinMo were utterly flummoxed by it.

+1 to both those statements. I don't know any non-geeks who get on
well with WinMo (but several geeks who love it). Anecdotal experience, I know, 
but hey :)

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Phil Wilson]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Jim Tonge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> surely the proof of android's pudding will be in the eating?
>
> non-geeks i know who used WinMo were utterly flummoxed by it.

+1 to both those statements. I don't know any non-geeks who get on
well with WinMo (but several geeks who love it). Anecdotal experience,
I know, but hey :)

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[Jim Tonge]

surely the proof of android's pudding will be in the eating?

non-geeks i know who used WinMo were utterly flummoxed by it.

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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Ian Forrester]

I still don't see why a non developer or non geek would want the google phone 
over windows mobile?
 
Maybe its just me?

Ian Forrester

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Mbale
Sent: 20 September 2008 11:52
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday


same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- Munich, Germany 
<http://code.google.com/intl/de/events/developerday/2008/home.html>  
I have won a bet, drink up!


On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


I feel an "early adoption" coming on...


http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday


http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en

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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Sam Mbale]

same day as Germany Developer day, September 23rd -- Munich,
GermanyI
have won a bet, drink up!

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I feel an "early adoption" coming on...
>
> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday
>
>
> http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en
>
> --
>
> Brian Butterworth
>
> http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover
> advice, since 2002
>



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[backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Brian Butterworth]

I feel an "early adoption" coming on...

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2226543/android-uk-launch-set-tuesday

http://news.google.co.uk/news?rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB288GB289&tab=wn&ncl=1247938204&hl=en

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since 2002