RE: [backstage] BBC parliment
None of which ever used video of MPs and Lords at work. It would be interesting to know how much (if at all) the people behind The Daily Show (other than John Oliver) were influenced by Not The Nine O'Clock News et al. - were they even shown in the US? Don't know about the original, but the format was adapted by HBO under the name, Not Necessarily the News. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Necessarily_the_News Notably a home to Rich Hall - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC parliment
Thanks for that, an interesting in the introduction to the first document: We also examined developments in webcasting.11 A trial of webcasting has recently been completed and we look forward to this service being established on a permanent basis. We feel that webcasting has an important part to play in an integrated, interactive set of information services providing access to the general public. This appears to be being carried out on the BBC Parliament website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/bbc_parliament/default.stm , but I notice the distinct lack of downloadable video content. Is there any possibility of a Video version of the Today in Parliament podcast? The rights negotiations should be minimal to zero, and unlike not being able to watch the latest Dr Who (or whatever) on iPlayer, what goes on in Westminster is actually life changing and important, so there is a real public service aspect to being able to keep a copy on my hard drive and point to it when a politician backtracks and tries to pretends\he didn't say something. Vijay. On 08/03/07, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vijay chopra wrote: As can be seen at big set piece events such as PMQs Sky, ITV and BBC etc all seem to use the same camera, so it seems as if that the Beeb licences the footage. Anyone here know who from, I suspect it is crown copyright like our statutes and Hansard. No, the recordings (and Hansard) are Parliamentary Copyright. As I understand it (hard to gather information, some of this is based upon the Broadcasting Select Committees First Report from June 2000 [1]), all the major broadcasting companies own a company called the Parliamentary Broadcasting Unit Ltd, which funds the cameras, control rooms, and staffing costs, and employs CCT Productions Limited to operate the cameras. So they all get the same footage. The copyright rests with Parliament, presumably the Parliamentary Recording Unit, from whom you can purchase archive footage. As long as you stick to the rules about what you can do with the material even then: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmbroad/786/786.pdf [1] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmbroad/642/64202.htm -- ATB, | http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ Matthew | http://www.dracos.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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I suspect they were refering to http://www.parliamentlive.tv/ rather than BBC Parliament - although it's still streamed, and in Windows Media Player format. http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Help/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 09 March 2007 11:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC parliment Thanks for that, an interesting in the introduction to the first document: We also examined developments in webcasting.11 A trial of webcasting has recently been completed and we look forward to this service being established on a permanent basis. We feel that webcasting has an important part to play in an integrated, interactive set of information services providing access to the general public. This appears to be being carried out on the BBC Parliament website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/bbc_parliament/default.stm , but I notice the distinct lack of downloadable video content. Is there any possibility of a Video version of the Today in Parliament podcast? The rights negotiations should be minimal to zero, and unlike not being able to watch the latest Dr Who (or whatever) on iPlayer, what goes on in Westminster is actually life changing and important, so there is a real public service aspect to being able to keep a copy on my hard drive and point to it when a politician backtracks and tries to pretends\he didn't say something. Vijay. On 08/03/07, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vijay chopra wrote: As can be seen at big set piece events such as PMQs Sky, ITV and BBC etc all seem to use the same camera, so it seems as if that the Beeb licences the footage. Anyone here know who from, I suspect it is crown copyright like our statutes and Hansard. No, the recordings (and Hansard) are Parliamentary Copyright. As I understand it (hard to gather information, some of this is based upon the Broadcasting Select Committees First Report from June 2000 [1]), all the major broadcasting companies own a company called the Parliamentary Broadcasting Unit Ltd, which funds the cameras, control rooms, and staffing costs, and employs CCT Productions Limited to operate the cameras. So they all get the same footage. The copyright rests with Parliament, presumably the Parliamentary Recording Unit, from whom you can purchase archive footage. As long as you stick to the rules about what you can do with the material even then: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmbroad/786/7 86.pdf [1] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmbroad/642/6 4202.htm -- ATB, | http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ Matthew | http://www.dracos.co.uk/ http://www.dracos.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC parliment
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet... http://www.parliamentlive.tv J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 09 March 2007 11:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC parliment Thanks for that, an interesting in the introduction to the first document: We also examined developments in webcasting.11 A trial of webcasting has recently been completed and we look forward to this service being established on a permanent basis. We feel that webcasting has an important part to play in an integrated, interactive set of information services providing access to the general public. This appears to be being carried out on the BBC Parliament website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/bbc_parliament/default.stm , but I notice the distinct lack of downloadable video content. Is there any possibility of a Video version of the Today in Parliament podcast? The rights negotiations should be minimal to zero, and unlike not being able to watch the latest Dr Who (or whatever) on iPlayer, what goes on in Westminster is actually life changing and important, so there is a real public service aspect to being able to keep a copy on my hard drive and point to it when a politician backtracks and tries to pretends\he didn't say something. Vijay. On 08/03/07, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vijay chopra wrote: As can be seen at big set piece events such as PMQs Sky, ITV and BBC etc all seem to use the same camera, so it seems as if that the Beeb licences the footage. Anyone here know who from, I suspect it is crown copyright like our statutes and Hansard. No, the recordings (and Hansard) are Parliamentary Copyright. As I understand it (hard to gather information, some of this is based upon the Broadcasting Select Committees First Report from June 2000 [1]), all the major broadcasting companies own a company called the Parliamentary Broadcasting Unit Ltd, which funds the cameras, control rooms, and staffing costs, and employs CCT Productions Limited to operate the cameras. So they all get the same footage. The copyright rests with Parliament, presumably the Parliamentary Recording Unit, from whom you can purchase archive footage. As long as you stick to the rules about what you can do with the material even then: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmbroad/786/7 86.pdf [1] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmbroad/642/6 4202.htm -- ATB, | http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ Matthew | http://www.dracos.co.uk/ http://www.dracos.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC parliment
vijay chopra wrote: notice the distinct lack of downloadable video content. Is there any possibility of a Video version of the Today in Parliament podcast? As others have pointed out, parliamentlive.tv might be what you're looking for (in conjunction with some streaming downloader to capture the streamed content). The rights negotiations should be minimal to zero, Sadly I doubt that, given http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/commons_foi/access.cfm : The rates at which the Parliamentary Recording Unit can provide video and audio recordings of parliamentary proceedings is dependent upon the length of recording required, how the footage is to be used and the nature of the organisation requiring the footage. Current rates are available on request. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Thanks for the parliamentlive.tv link everyone, it seems my requests would probably be better off being put to the admin there, and perhaps a petition on http://petitions.pm.gov.uk, would be a better route to take; any with over a hundred signatories seem to get some form of response. Vijay On 09/03/07, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vijay chopra wrote: notice the distinct lack of downloadable video content. Is there any possibility of a Video version of the Today in Parliament podcast? As others have pointed out, parliamentlive.tv might be what you're looking for (in conjunction with some streaming downloader to capture the streamed content). The rights negotiations should be minimal to zero, Sadly I doubt that, given http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/commons_foi/access.cfm : The rates at which the Parliamentary Recording Unit can provide video and audio recordings of parliamentary proceedings is dependent upon the length of recording required, how the footage is to be used and the nature of the organisation requiring the footage. Current rates are available on request. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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There are some very very interesting opportunities with Parliamentary video coverage. The rights situation is being explored (no need for a petition, TBH - I think all parties are pretty willing to experiment in this area), as are the metadata/API opportunities. Having an existing API to a structured version of the parliamentary transcript really, really opens up all sorts of exciting opportunities http://www.theyworkforyou.com/api (the marvel that is Matthew Somerville in action, once again) Thanks for the parliamentlive.tv link everyone, it seems my requests would probably be better off being put to the admin there, and perhaps a petition on http://petitions.pm.gov.uk, would be a better route to take; any with over a hundred signatories seem to get some form of response. Vijay On 09/03/07, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vijay chopra wrote: notice the distinct lack of downloadable video content. Is there any possibility of a Video version of the Today in Parliament podcast? As others have pointed out, parliamentlive.tv might be what you're looking for (in conjunction with some streaming downloader to capture the streamed content). The rights negotiations should be minimal to zero, Sadly I doubt that, given http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/commons_foi/access.cfm : The rates at which the Parliamentary Recording Unit can provide video and audio recordings of parliamentary proceedings is dependent upon the length of recording required, how the footage is to be used and the nature of the organisation requiring the footage. Current rates are available on request. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC parliment
Matthew Somerville wrote: The copyright rests with Parliament, presumably the Parliamentary Recording Unit, from whom you can purchase archive footage. As long as you stick to the rules about what you can do with the material even then: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmbroad/786/786.pdf [1] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmbroad/642/64202.htm I found the following interesting: /no extracts of Parliamentary proceedings may be used in any light entertainment programme or in a programme of political satire; / I guess that almost rules out there ever being a Daily Show UK. Scot
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On 09/03/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (no need for a petition, TBH - I think all parties are pretty willing to experiment in this area), I was beaten to it anyway: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/nocrowncopyright/, :-D Thanks for the link though, I had no idea that TWFY had an API, the guys who run the site do a great job anyway, so providing an API for us is an added bonus. The really useful info from them though, is that it's possible to get a Parliamentary Licence over the web; link that up with some of the data from parliamentlive.tv, and the Hansard website and you've got a decent public archive of what was said, when and what's going to be said. The next step would be to get permission to re-broadcast the stream. Anyone know who the correct people to contact would be? the Parlimentry licence page ( http://www.opsi.gov.uk/click-use/parliamentary-licence-information/index.htm) gives no information, apart from telling me it dosen't cover broadcasts. Vijay.
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I found the following interesting: no extracts of Parliamentary proceedings may be used in any light entertainment programme or in a programme of political satire; I guess that almost rules out there ever being a Daily Show UK. I don't recall The Daily Show relying on transcripts of Congress (or whatever they call it in those forn parts). Let's face it - The Daily Show (which is a fantastic show) draws heavily on the history of satirical political TV programming - I see Not The Nine O'Clock News in there, I see David Frost in there, I see Peter Cook in there... Cheers, Rich. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Richard Lockwood wrote: I don't recall The Daily Show relying on transcripts of Congress (or whatever they call it in those forn parts). The Daily Show uses video footage of Congress all the time. An equivalent usage of parliamentary video footage is specifically banned by that no extracts of Parliamentary proceedings may be used in any light entertainment programme or in a programme of political satire rule (as stated in The Rules of Coverage linked to previously). The Daily Show makes enough use of congressional footage that it wouldn't be quite the same show if it wasn't allowed. If anything, a Daily Show UK would be even more reliant on parliamentary footage, thanks to greater importance of Parliament compared to Congress. You couldn't do a Daily Show UK without at least some Prime Ministers Question Time material, for example. Let's face it - The Daily Show (which is a fantastic show) draws heavily on the history of satirical political TV programming - I see Not The Nine O'Clock News in there, I see David Frost in there, I see Peter Cook in there... None of which ever used video of MPs and Lords at work. It would be interesting to know how much (if at all) the people behind The Daily Show (other than John Oliver) were influenced by Not The Nine O'Clock News et al. - were they even shown in the US? cheers Scot - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC parliment
Following the news that C-Span has adopted a Creative Commons style license (http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/08/1723243), I'd just like to ask who holds the licence to BBC parliament recordings? As can be seen at big set piece events such as PMQs Sky, ITV and BBC etc all seem to use the same camera, so it seems as if that the Beeb licences the footage. Anyone here know who from, I suspect it is crown copyright like our statutes and Hansard. Can anyone confirm this?
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vijay chopra wrote: As can be seen at big set piece events such as PMQs Sky, ITV and BBC etc all seem to use the same camera, so it seems as if that the Beeb licences the footage. Anyone here know who from, I suspect it is crown copyright like our statutes and Hansard. No, the recordings (and Hansard) are Parliamentary Copyright. As I understand it (hard to gather information, some of this is based upon the Broadcasting Select Committees First Report from June 2000 [1]), all the major broadcasting companies own a company called the Parliamentary Broadcasting Unit Ltd, which funds the cameras, control rooms, and staffing costs, and employs CCT Productions Limited to operate the cameras. So they all get the same footage. The copyright rests with Parliament, presumably the Parliamentary Recording Unit, from whom you can purchase archive footage. As long as you stick to the rules about what you can do with the material even then: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmbroad/786/786.pdf [1] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmbroad/642/64202.htm -- ATB, | http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ Matthew | http://www.dracos.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/