RE: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr I Forrester Sent: 16 April 2007 16:34 To: BBC Backstage Subject: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2 Hi All, Were going to record the next Backstage podcast soon. Unlike last time, we have chosen to be a little more open about what is going to happen. Currently the panel debate is going to explorer the EMI and Apple deal, which didn't fill up the list this time around :) However this time were looking to dig deep into what affect this has on the long term future of DRM in media. So currently we have a couple of guests, however... 1. Who should we get on the podcast? A visit from upstairs would ad to the cred, so important in a podcast! Ashley Highfield perhaps? 2. What subjects would you like us to explorer in the podcast? I guess it's another angle on the same debate, but I was wondering about how well the BBC is getting the web 2.0 idea. There's no technological reason that the BBC couldn't have provided a wikipedia, youtube or myspace type service, even if by accident. But instead the BBC has kept a strange distance from true user generated content. I guess the teenager with the £20,000 house party isn't something the BBC wants on it's conscience. At the root of this is that backstage.bbc.co.uk has a focus on feeds, customization and selection and some search. With almost every website now allowing both user generated content and user-user communications how can backstage be brought closer to this model as it seems not to be a passing fad. Also some general things... 1. Is a hour too long or too short based on the previous podcast? Way, way too short. (One vote for that then...) 2. How would feel about different cut versions? Say full a hour and a 5 min summary? The famous Martini Media! 3. Did you share, remix or sample the last podcast? I shared it quite a lot... I posted it on the MediaGuardian podcast page and they seemed to like it. Cheers, Ian Forrester - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 15/04/2007 16:22 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 15/04/2007 16:22 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2 [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On Monday 16 April 2007 23:40, David Gill wrote: At the EMI-Apple announcement Jobs seemed to rather heavily dismiss the idea of dropping DRM for video anytime soon. Pretty unsurprising when you consider that the economics of making music (non-orchestral) are rather different from the economics of making a TV show or a film. Michael. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2
George Bray wrote: So currently we have a couple of guests, however... 1. Who should we get on the podcast? The EMI guy who did the deal with Steve Jobs. An EMI competitor. An artist - someone who has a stake in their intellectual property, and a bit of an understanding on the distribution crossroads we're at. Ricky Gervais, Stephen Merchant? How about Dave Rowntree from Blur (and the Open Rights Group as well)? Scot - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2
There's a chap called Paul Sanders who is often on the ORG-Discuss list who could be interesting too... he's a Music Industry-type who also has a wealth of technical knowledge on these issues, and runs State51 - a digital distribution comapny. http://www.state51.co.uk/ I've seen him speak at a a couple of events and he's always thought provoking. In terms of EMI people, I'd try and get hold of Ruth Katz.. she's head of 'content protection' or some such thing, and is always engaging - she's also one of the longest serving EMI employees and does a talk for new staff introducing them to the company, so has a wealth of knowledge about their particular business. Otherwise, Michael, Becky or Suw from ORG would be well worth having on board. Dave Rowntree's also always good - being an anti-DRM musician tends to add weight to the anti-DRM POV too. Cheers, Tim On 4/17/07, Scot McSweeney-Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Bray wrote: So currently we have a couple of guests, however... 1. Who should we get on the podcast? The EMI guy who did the deal with Steve Jobs. An EMI competitor. An artist - someone who has a stake in their intellectual property, and a bit of an understanding on the distribution crossroads we're at. Ricky Gervais, Stephen Merchant? How about Dave Rowntree from Blur (and the Open Rights Group as well)? Scot - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2
So looking over the comments, We're talking about maybe, 1. The EMI guy who worked on the deal 2. A EMI competitor 3. An music artist or producer 4. Dave Rowntree 5. Becky from ORG 6. Another person who knows this area inside out including watermarking 7. A service provider like Last.fm or emusic Ah that's how the backstage podcast ended up on the media guardian :) And there was me thinking they were on the list. Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || cubicgarden.com || geekdinner.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: 17 April 2007 10:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2 George Bray wrote: So currently we have a couple of guests, however... 1. Who should we get on the podcast? The EMI guy who did the deal with Steve Jobs. An EMI competitor. An artist - someone who has a stake in their intellectual property, and a bit of an understanding on the distribution crossroads we're at. Ricky Gervais, Stephen Merchant? How about Dave Rowntree from Blur (and the Open Rights Group as well)? Scot - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2
Sounds great to me Ian. I will be looking forward to this. Is there any way to include a chat session running live for comment? You may have seen on Wired that DRM has made it in to being used to add legacy to certain products. as if we all need more than Moore to determine when something is out of date. This is certainly another side of the discussion, applying to both hardware and software. Some may not have seen, or contemplated, the fact that other institutions are also making some effort to defend the rights of an odd minority of users .. :-) http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/04/another_univers.html Regards RichE On 17 Apr 2007, at 11:16, Ian Forrester wrote: So looking over the comments, We're talking about maybe, 1. The EMI guy who worked on the deal 2. A EMI competitor 3. An music artist or producer 4. Dave Rowntree 5. Becky from ORG 6. Another person who knows this area inside out including watermarking 7. A service provider like Last.fm or emusic Ah that's how the backstage podcast ended up on the media guardian :) And there was me thinking they were on the list. Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || cubicgarden.com || geekdinner.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: 17 April 2007 10:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2 George Bray wrote: So currently we have a couple of guests, however... 1. Who should we get on the podcast? The EMI guy who did the deal with Steve Jobs. An EMI competitor. An artist - someone who has a stake in their intellectual property, and a bit of an understanding on the distribution crossroads we're at. Ricky Gervais, Stephen Merchant? How about Dave Rowntree from Blur (and the Open Rights Group as well)? Scot - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2
On 16/04/07, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So currently we have a couple of guests, however... 1. Who should we get on the podcast? Miles Metcalfe was imo the best participant in the first one :-) 2. What subjects would you like us to explorer in the podcast? The obvious stuff should be plenty, but also: is watermarking the post-DRM drm? ;-) Also some general things... 1. Is a hour too long or too short based on the previous podcast? Too short. 2. How would feel about different cut versions? Say full a hour and a 5 min summary? Good idea. 3. Did you share, remix or sample the last podcast? Shared the OGG plenty! :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2
Bruce Schneier was invited last month to give the keynote at LSE for our annual Social Study of ICT workshop (SSIT7). You can view the video here: http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/informationSystems/newsAndEvents/2007events /schneier.htm I think that it would be much refreshing to have somebody like the people from last.fm which have a completely different business model. Stefan Glaenzer could be the most suitable. Best, Jose-Carlos on 16/4/07 5:57, Ian Forrester at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Agreed, but the chances of getting Bruce Schneier (whose blog I read daily) is very low indeed. I can but try, but even if we got him in or he agreed to a phone in. Who else would we have to counter balance Bruce? I was generally thinking people in the community who you might know who (agreed again) know what there talking about :) Cheers Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || cubicgarden.com || geekdinner.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ * Email confidentiality notice * This message is private and confidential. If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. The London School of Economics and Political Science (the School) is a company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales, under registered number 00070527, and having its registered office at 10th Floor, Tower One, Houghton Street, London WC2A 2AE. The inclusion of this information does not of itself make this email a business document of the School and, to the maximum extent permitted by law, the School accepts no liability for the content and opinions in any non-business emails. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2 [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
A discussion (even if it's a short one) on watermarking as a anti-piracy approach for video would be good. The EMI deal is a bit of a breakthrough for music, but video is not really affected. At the EMI-Apple announcement Jobs seemed to rather heavily dismiss the idea of dropping DRM for video anytime soon. Watermarking isn't something I am very familiar with, it would be good to hear some knowledgeable people discussing it in a wider context. Cheers, David Gill Australian Communication and Media Authority 03 9963 6871 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ok Agreed, but the chances of getting Bruce Schneier (whose blog I read daily) is very low indeed. I can but try, but even if we got him in or he agreed to a phone in. Who else would we have to counter balance Bruce? I was generally thinking people in the community who you might know who (agreed again) know what there talking about :) Cheers Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || cubicgarden.com || geekdinner.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
