Re: [backstage] The future of the internet

[Alan Parry]

facebook terms of usage are quite clear for their api's. They make a lot of
data available, pretty much everything in fact including email addresses but
you are pretty much only allowed to store indefinitely (more than 24 hours)
the uniqueid fields of any records. They state the 24 hour time frame as
reasonable to allow caching.

2008/5/2 Vladimir Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> cool :)
>
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> > Subject: Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
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> > Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 4:19 PM
> > > 'd like to draw yo attention to a book published
> > recently...
> > > 'The Future of the Internet' by Jonathan
> > Zittrain
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/Future-Internet-How-Stop/dp/0300124872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209563113&sr=1-1
> > >
> >
> > I'd like to draw your attention to these sites ;) :
> >
> > http://www.linkpot.net
> > http://www.tinyurl.com
> > http://www.tiny.cc/
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Re: [backstage] The future of the internet

[Vladimir Harman]

cool :)

--- On Wed, 4/30/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 4:19 PM
> > 'd like to draw yo attention to a book published
> recently...
> > 'The Future of the Internet' by Jonathan
> Zittrain
> >
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/Future-Internet-How-Stop/dp/0300124872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209563113&sr=1-1
> >
> 
> I'd like to draw your attention to these sites ;) :
> 
> http://www.linkpot.net
> http://www.tinyurl.com
> http://www.tiny.cc/
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Re: [backstage] The future of the internet

[Dan Brickley]

Matt Barber wrote:

It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie,
your email contacts list) but has no export.

I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing
it...


I *think* as long as you're logged in as you, and they are your
contacts, I don't see why not - because you could essentially go
through and write each one down on paper, or copy/paste the data. So
getting your own bot to do it doesn't seem that bad?
One thing however, the email addresses are rendered in graphical form
on profile pages, so a bit of OCR would be required.
But do share your results if you try it.


Yup, esp if anyone gets that OCR thing working with free tools.

But I imagine the Facebook team must feel 'damned if we do, damned if we 
don't'...


I just found  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7376738.stm
  "The BBC's technology programme Click has exposed a security flaw in 
the social networking site Facebook which could compromise privacy."


Oh no! we can't get data out of Facebook!

Oh no! we can get data out of Facebook!

Having been on the 'give us our data back' side of the fence for years, 
I'm starting to think that argument's been won, and the real issue is 
how we deal with having gotten our data back. Especially when 'our' is a 
bit vague; how much information about you do I have a right to extract 
if we're Facebook buddies?


http://www.slideshare.net/danbri/fear-of-a-foaf-planet
http://www.slideshare.net/danbri/whatever-i-can-get

Figuring out how to help real users make sane choices here, without 
trying to explain OpenID/Oauth or worse to non-geeks, ... that's the 
hard problem. I don't think this is just about Facebook hoarding data.


Dan

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Re: [backstage] The future of the internet

[Dan Brickley]

Brian Butterworth wrote:



On 01/05/2008, *Martin Belam* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


There is a piece on this in The Guardian today - he makes some
interesting points but at one stage he suggests that Facebook is a
closed system, and that nobody can move onto a new social platform
because all of their friends are there, so Facebook will rule forever.
I would have thought that explains the massive continued success of
MySpace and Friends Reunitedoh, hang on a second

 
It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems 
(ie, your email contacts list) but has no export.
 
I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from 
doing it...


http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=6135226994&topic=3088
http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~mrowe/foafgenerator.html

I think you can get a lot of data out, but not emails of your buddys 
(without screenscraping, per plaxo/scoble fuss earlier this year).


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Re: [backstage] The future of the internet

[Matt Barber]

> It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie,
> your email contacts list) but has no export.
>
> I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing
> it...

I *think* as long as you're logged in as you, and they are your
contacts, I don't see why not - because you could essentially go
through and write each one down on paper, or copy/paste the data. So
getting your own bot to do it doesn't seem that bad?
One thing however, the email addresses are rendered in graphical form
on profile pages, so a bit of OCR would be required.
But do share your results if you try it.

Also take a look at Facedown, little app to download your facebook albums:
http://www.vincentcheung.ca/facedown/
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Re: [backstage] The future of the internet

[Brian Butterworth]

On 01/05/2008, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There is a piece on this in The Guardian today - he makes some
> interesting points but at one stage he suggests that Facebook is a
> closed system, and that nobody can move onto a new social platform
> because all of their friends are there, so Facebook will rule forever.
> I would have thought that explains the massive continued success of
> MySpace and Friends Reunitedoh, hang on a second


It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie,
your email contacts list) but has no export.

I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing
it...


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Re: [backstage] The future of the internet

[Martin Belam]

There is a piece on this in The Guardian today - he makes some
interesting points but at one stage he suggests that Facebook is a
closed system, and that nobody can move onto a new social platform
because all of their friends are there, so Facebook will rule forever.
I would have thought that explains the massive continued success of
MySpace and Friends Reunitedoh, hang on a second
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Re: [backstage] The future of the internet

[lee]

> 'd like to draw yo attention to a book published recently...
> 'The Future of the Internet' by Jonathan Zittrain
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Future-Internet-How-Stop/dp/0300124872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209563113&sr=1-1
>

I'd like to draw your attention to these sites ;) :

http://www.linkpot.net
http://www.tinyurl.com
http://www.tiny.cc/

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[backstage] The future of the internet

[Vladimir Harman]

'd like to draw yo attention to a book published recently...
'The Future of the Internet' by Jonathan Zittrain

http://www.amazon.com/Future-Internet-How-Stop/dp/0300124872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209563113&sr=1-1

"This extraordinary book explains the engine that has catapulted the Internet  
from backwater to ubiquity—and reveals that it is sputtering precisely because  
of its runaway success. With the unwitting help of its users, the generative  
Internet is on a path to a lockdown, ending its cycle of innovation—and  
facilitating unsettling new kinds of control. IPods, iPhones, Xboxes, and TiVos 
 represent the first wave of Internet-centered products that can’t be easily  
modified by anyone except their vendors or selected partners. These “tethered  
appliances” have already been used in remarkable but little-known ways: car GPS 
 systems have been reconfigured at the demand of law enforcement to eavesdrop 
on  the occupants at all times, and digital video recorders have been ordered 
to  self-destruct thanks to a lawsuit against the manufacturer thousands of 
miles  away. New Web 2.0 platforms like Google mash-ups and Facebook are 
rightly  touted—but
 their applications can be similarly monitored and eliminated from a  central 
source. As tethered appliances and applications eclipse the PC, the very  
nature of the Internet—its “generativity,” or innovative character—is at risk."


  

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