Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-21 Thread Gordon Joly
At 00:36 +0100 21/2/07, Dave Crossland wrote: On 20/02/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 15:18 + 19/2/07, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Hi Gordon - nope an honest as you like Creative Commons Licence - no BBC fudge at all. I was thinking of the Creative Archive Licence which is a BBC

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-21 Thread Dave Crossland
On 21/02/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Dave. Now I understand. This is a major step Yes, Ian and Matthew are really showing how things should be done! :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-20 Thread John Wesley
Hi Gordon :-) We're using Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 - details here http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/ m Why not the new version of the Attribution license? ( http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ ) Is there a bit difference? jonh

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20/02/07, John Wesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're using Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 - details here Why not the new version of the Attribution license? ( http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ ) Is there a bit difference? No, because you can upgrade CC licenses to the latest

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20/02/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 15:18 + 19/2/07, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Hi Gordon - nope an honest as you like Creative Commons Licence - no BBC fudge at all. I was thinking of the Creative Archive Licence which is a BBC fudge. I'm not sure why you'd think this, or

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-19 Thread Martin Belam
The automation means that you don't lose any focus. Erm right, I mean, apart from the time you spend building the automation into your production process. And then fixing it when it goes wrong. And patching and sysadmining the servers running the automation. And having someone who

RE: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-19 Thread Matthew Cashmore
- 643 WAV - 38 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 19 February 2007 09:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC The automation means that you don't lose any

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-18 Thread James Cridland
On 2/14/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/02/07, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.2641080p stream being broadcast in clear. This

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-18 Thread James Cridland
On 2/13/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also note that its been published in the free software, open standard, cross platform ogg vorbis format as well as MP3, and hope this demonstrates that such formats do indeed exist - As I said in the show, I think that everything the BBC is

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-18 Thread Dave Crossland
On 18/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis automatically, too. ... Ultimately, no organisation can spend time servicing 0.01% of people without losing focus for the 99.99% of people. The automation means that you

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-15 Thread Martin Belam
not *exactly*... the 'it was too popular for its own good' refers to various local radio stations having their bandwidth soaked up due to people downloading stuff... not good for business, that... It didn't do much for productivity either as I recall - I think at the point my team blagged two

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread David McBride
Greetings, Interesting discussion - primarily useful for the we don't have the rights arguments that haven't been effectively aired until now. The reason for using DRM has often been stated thus: * We need to prevent our users from re-distributing content that we feed them. However, it now

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread Dave Crossland
On 14/02/07, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC should be

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread Tom Loosemore
Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC should be telling rights holders :-)

RE: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread Brian Butterworth
Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC should be telling rights holders :-) Perhaps we could

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tom! On 14/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread Tom Loosemore
On 14/02/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom! On 14/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread Michael Sparks
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 16:56, Tom Loosemore wrote: http://strange.corante.com/archives/2006/05/17/xtech_2006_tom_loosemore_tre ating_digital_broadcast_as_just_another_api_and_other_such_ruminations.php The link to Kamaelia Macro at the end of that post is broken, it should be: *

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread Mr I Forrester
And overnight we got Boingboing'ed - http://www.boingboing.net/2007/02/12/bbc_techies_talk_drm.html Off the bat, I would say Cory has taken some of the simple stuff and ran with it... The debate was a lot more complex that suggested in BoingBoing Cheers, Ian - Sent via the

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread Martin Belam
Haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, but will do. Does that mean we don't have to carry on the debate here anymore ;-) cheers, martin -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net On 13/02/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'd just like to say thanks to everyone who

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread vijay chopra
Just finished listening to it, well worth my time; thanks for the good job, and it seems that the BBC now finally has some fully free content (even if it's only one podcastl; what makes a downloadable audio file into a podcast anyway??) that's available under a recognised copyleft licence. The

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread Richard P Edwards
I have managed to listen to the first minutes and then the stream stops. can anyone share the mp3 with me? :-) RichE On 13 Feb 2007, at 11:53, Martin Belam wrote: Haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, but will do. Does that mean we don't have to carry on the debate here anymore ;-)

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread John Wesley
On 13/02/07, Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have managed to listen to the first minutes and then the stream stops. can anyone share the mp3 with me? :-) RichE There are links to download it at the bottom of the blog post:

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread David McBride
vijay chopra wrote: (even if it's only one podcastl; what makes a downloadable audio file into a podcast anyway??) If this is going to be a (semi-)regular occurrence, could we get a real RSS feed for it? Cheers, David -- David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Computing, Imperial

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/02/07, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is going to be a (semi-)regular occurrence, could we get a real RSS feed for it? Yes, I'd be in favour of that. I also note that its been published in the free software, open standard, cross platform ogg vorbis format as well as

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread John Wesley
On 13/02/07, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vijay chopra wrote: (even if it's only one podcastl; what makes a downloadable audio file into a podcast anyway??) If this is going to be a (semi-)regular occurrence, could we get a real RSS feed for it? Cheers, David I agree. I spent

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread vijay chopra
On 13/02/07, John Wesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I spent a good few minutes looking for an RSS feed with the podcast in it (there are loads of RSS feeds on the site) before just giving up and grabbing the ogg. The MSM (including the BBC) is guilty of doing this all the time,

[backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-12 Thread Mr I Forrester
Hi All, Just in case you've not all heard or seen yet. We recently convinced some of the key people from the DRM debate, to sit around a table . We then recorded the results and have now made it available under the creative commons attribution licence for you all to use and remix to your

the question of DRM necessity (Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC)

2007-02-12 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We recently convinced some of the key people from the DRM debate, to sit around a table . We then recorded the results and have now made it available under the creative commons attribution licence for you all to use and remix to your hearts