Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Another vote for mailman. On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:54:32 +0100, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi all, We're making some changes to the whole way backstage is setup and one of those changes would affect this list directly. MajorDomo is a pain and lacks the lovely new shiny features of things like automatic archive, rss, thread notification, search, etc. But it does have the advantage of email delivery, open and free signup. So if we did decide to switch mailing system/message board, which one would you all prefer? Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- | Matt Hammond | Research Engineer, FMT, BBC, Kingswood Warren, Tadworth, Surrey, UK | http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
+1 for mailman On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Matt Hammond matt.hamm...@rd.bbc.co.ukwrote: Another vote for mailman. On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:54:32 +0100, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi all, We're making some changes to the whole way backstage is setup and one of those changes would affect this list directly. MajorDomo is a pain and lacks the lovely new shiny features of things like automatic archive, rss, thread notification, search, etc. But it does have the advantage of email delivery, open and free signup. So if we did decide to switch mailing system/message board, which one would you all prefer? Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- | Matt Hammond | Research Engineer, FMT, BBC, Kingswood Warren, Tadworth, Surrey, UK | http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Barry Carlyon Located Between Al-Jazeera and BBC Radio 1 SRA Chart Officer Webmaster: http://LSRfm.com - Leeds Student Radio http://barrycarlyon.co.uk mobile: 07729 048 443 office: 0113 380 1281 skype: barrycarlyon email: ba...@barrycarlyon.co.uk msn: ba...@barrycarlyon.co.uk
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Andrew Bowden wrote: In that case, I think it should be a web forum :) Preferably requiring IE6 and an activeX component in order to function. Normal service is now resumed ;-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Changes to the list
No, you can't use proprietary sotware! Phew, now normal service is resumed. That was scary there for a while. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Fearghas McKay Sent: 20 October 2009 13:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Changes to the list On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Andrew Bowden wrote: In that case, I think it should be a web forum :) Preferably requiring IE6 and an activeX component in order to function. Normal service is now resumed ;-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Lets not forget to include a mandatory signup for an MSN Passport or Google account or Yahoo ID ... even just to be able to browse ;-) Matt On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:43:59 +0100, Fearghas McKay fm-li...@st-kilda.org wrote: On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Andrew Bowden wrote: In that case, I think it should be a web forum :) Preferably requiring IE6 and an activeX component in order to function. Normal service is now resumed ;-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- | Matt Hammond | Research Engineer, FMT, BBC, Kingswood Warren, Tadworth, Surrey, UK | http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Andrew Bowden wrote: So it looks like mailman is the winner? Has the backstage community ever almost unanimously agreed on something before? It's nice for it to happen for once. :) Err... In that case, I think it should be a web forum :) Microsoft *obviously* paid you to say that. Because you know you meant a custom built 5 year old ASP web forum which would DRM your children and prevent them from playing. Or something like that. This is obviously a conspiracy. ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Matt Hammond wrote: Lets not forget to include a mandatory signup for an MSN Passport or Google account or Yahoo ID ... even just to be able to browse ;-) I think we should move all of Backstage to Facebook!!!11 Everyone uses Facebook right!??!!?!1 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On 20-Oct-2009, at 15:11, Tim Dobson wrote: Matt Hammond wrote: Lets not forget to include a mandatory signup for an MSN Passport or Google account or Yahoo ID ... even just to be able to browse ;-) I think we should move all of Backstage to Facebook!!!11 Everyone uses Facebook right!??!!?!1 I think you’re onto something there. Perhaps Freeview HD boxes should require a Facebook Connect login in order to deliver personalised and tailored content (e.g., BBC1)? -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On 20-Oct-2009, at 15:26, Phil Lewis wrote: [REDACTED] I’m sorry, I would have replied to your message, but it required quoting it, and I’m not sure I was granted the appropriate redistribution rights. M. Produced for the BBC Backstage Mailing List by Mo McRoberts’ fingers. © MM MMIX . All rights reserved. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Isn't there a flash-based forum somewhere that uses those open protocol standards like rtmpe? That way we could embed H.264 video if we wanted without fear of anyone pirating it. I would also suggest Huffman lookup tables to prevent the message index being read by non-members. We must always consider the copyright ownership and redistribution rights of the content in posts. On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:11 +0100, Tim Dobson wrote: Matt Hammond wrote: Lets not forget to include a mandatory signup for an MSN Passport or Google account or Yahoo ID ... even just to be able to browse ;-) I think we should move all of Backstage to Facebook!!!11 Everyone uses Facebook right!??!!?!1 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
I should have added that you are granted 7 days to view the message and after which it will become unreadable. You also must always obtain an auth token before reading (it only lasts 30 seconds) - unless of course I choose to take my authorisation server down. I believe that this will stop undue proliferation of my message and therefore increase future message popularity and revenue. On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:35 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 20-Oct-2009, at 15:26, Phil Lewis wrote: [REDACTED] I’m sorry, I would have replied to your message, but it required quoting it, and I’m not sure I was granted the appropriate redistribution rights. M. Produced for the BBC Backstage Mailing List by Mo McRoberts’ fingers. © MM MMIX . All rights reserved. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
You work for Twitter and I claim my five pounds. Cheers, Rich. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net wrote: I should have added that you are granted 7 days to view the message and after which it will become unreadable. You also must always obtain an auth token before reading (it only lasts 30 seconds) - unless of course I choose to take my authorisation server down. I believe that this will stop undue proliferation of my message and therefore increase future message popularity and revenue. On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:35 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 20-Oct-2009, at 15:26, Phil Lewis wrote: [REDACTED] I’m sorry, I would have replied to your message, but it required quoting it, and I’m not sure I was granted the appropriate redistribution rights. M. Produced for the BBC Backstage Mailing List by Mo McRoberts’ fingers. © MM MMIX . All rights reserved. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On 19 Oct 2009, at 19:27, Steff Davies wrote: Web-based systems with ancillary email functionality are generally pretty unusable IME. Webcrossing is the exception to that rule - it really does work, but it costs enough money and time that you really need to be able to justify it and I don't think this community hits enough buttons. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On 19-Oct-2009, at 19:43, Brendan Quinn wrote: I agree mostly, but wouldn't knock down the idea of a google/yahoo group so quickly -- if you monitor new subscribers (as I think we do anyway on this list??) we should be okay re spam, shouldn't we? And as for passwords, you need a password to do anything on Mailman as well. FWIW, it’s only post-subscription, which most people tend not to do too much—subscribing doesn’t (have to) require a password, it can generate one for you. Of course there may be other issues about working with third parties on this stuff, but surely we can move beyond those. Re mailman, it's okay, but remember the archives aren't the prettiest: web developer hat if you can tweak the HTML ever so slightly, you can add some CSS to clean that up. The mark-up’s pretty much fine in all honesty. /web developer hat http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ and you can't search (unless you hook up with a service like mail-archive.com) …or Google site search (bear in mind a “site” doesn’t have to be a whole domain. Google searches for site:bbc.co.uk/programmes are trés handy ;) If you (i.e., “somebody”) were feeling adventurous, you could hook it up to Xapian. this probably—understandably—exceeds the effort the relevant people are willing/able to put in, though! I'm not sure about RSS support in Mailman but would anyone really use RSS for the backstage list? Most RSS readers would break under the load ;-) I’d wonder the same thing. M. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 18:54, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi all, We're making some changes to the whole way backstage is setup and one of those changes would affect this list directly. MajorDomo is a pain and lacks the lovely new shiny features of things like automatic archive, rss, thread notification, search, etc. But it does have the advantage of email delivery, open and free signup. So if we did decide to switch mailing system/message board, which one would you all prefer? Something that is compatible with Gmane. slrn and NNTP beat out almost all mail clients and all web forums I've ever seen, and allow me to enforce a pretty good separation between mailing lists and real life e-mail. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Hi, Yeah Mailman with Gmane/etc is good IMO; mailman is undergoing a slow heavy rewrite atm, and I think they are taking donations, and live at list.orgiirc! Regards, Dave On 19 Oct 2009, 9:11 PM, Tom Morris bbtommor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 18:54, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi all, We're ma... Something that is compatible with Gmane. slrn and NNTP beat out almost all mail clients and all web forums I've ever seen, and allow me to enforce a pretty good separation between mailing lists and real life e-mail. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Ian Forrester wrote: So if we did decide to switch mailing system/message board, which one would you all prefer? Mailman. Please. Not google groups. Not a forum. And not Listserv. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Mo McRoberts wrote: Re mailman, it's okay, but remember the archives aren't the prettiest: web developer hat if you can tweak the HTML ever so slightly, you can add some CSS to clean that up. The mark-up’s pretty much fine in all honesty. /web developer hat I'm sure there are better examples but one of the most adventurous mailman setups I've come across is DCLUG: Their archives are slightly modified: http://www.dclug.org.uk/archive/2009/10/threads.html To be honest, I've not had much of an issue with archives mailman anyway. I find them heaps more logical and easy to navigate that google groups for instance. (Ever tried looking through a google groups archive?) They've even got search going on : http://www.dclug.org.uk/archive/#search and have it somewhat integrated into the rest of the site: http://www.dclug.org.uk/ Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
