Re: [backstage] FW: BBC doesn't get web video

2006-12-16 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 How very ogg...

BWA HA HA HA

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Re: [backstage] FW: BBC doesn't get web video

2006-12-15 Thread Gordon Joly

At 19:28 + 8/12/06, Ian Forrester wrote:
This is taken from an internal discuss list, I 
thought you guys might have something to say 
about thisŠ I promise no more spammy messages 
today




...and what happened to our open source codec?

http://aralbalkan.com/795http://aralbalkan.com/795

There is also a comment by John Dowell from Adobe.
I know its old news, but people are talking...


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How very ogg...

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Re: [backstage] FW: BBC doesn't get web video

2006-12-09 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If anyone can't be bothered to open the link, it says The BBC doesn't
 support MY favourite format, and so I'm going to cry like a big girl.

 (That may not be verbatim, but you get the idea.)

I agree. The bloke is just whinging.

He seems to be suggesting that Flash is an open format. But last time
I looked Flash was proprietary crap.


 What I want to know is why I can't access the BBC website with my BBC
 Micro.  It's a far more valid question.

You can, but first you have to do:

  *FX 241
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Re: [backstage] FW: BBC doesn't get web video

2006-12-09 Thread Dave Crossland

On 09/12/06, Nic James Ferrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He seems to be 
suggesting that Flash is an open format. But last time I looked Flash was proprietary crap.
It is of course better to use a completely Free Software format likeOgg/Theora 
when encoding, but as long as Free Software can decodemedia, I think its not so 
bad. Afterall, mp3 files are so popular thatI will listen to them, but encode 
my own CDs in Ogg.
Since there aren't European software idea patents, andinteroperability 
exceptions to the EUCD are around, if a format isproprietary or not is not  too 
much of a problem.
For Flash in particular, the GNU Project's Flash Player, Gnash, willbe able to 
play all Flash videos on its next release in the spring, Ijust heard:
-- Forwarded message --From: Dave Crossland [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]Date: 09-Dec-2006 10:45Subject: Gnash Video Codecs?To: gnash@gnu.org

Hi Guys,
A blog post about how the BBC doesn't get web video and should startusing 
Flash to stream video on the web attracted this comment:
Gnash stuff is a nonstarter… if you read their lists, they're talkingabout which 
other codecs they should use (that don't match the world'scontent), and whether FFMpeg 
might help them (Adobe staff contributedto FFMpeg and know it won't)- John Dowdell, 
Macromedia, http://aralbalkan.com/795#comment-8121
What's the status of these comments? :-)
-- Regards,Dave

-- Forwarded message --From: Rob Savoye [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
09-Dec-2006 10:58Subject: Re: [Gnash] Gnash Video Codecs?To: Dave Crossland [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]Cc: gnash@gnu.org

Dave Crossland wrote:

Gnash stuff is a nonstarter… if you read their lists, they're talking about which other 
codecs they should use (that don't match the world's content), and whether FFMpeg might help 
them (Adobe staff contributed to FFMpeg and know it won't)

  We never talked about which codecs, we support Gstreamer and ffmpeg,so we 
support whatever codec those support, although right now theffmpeg support 
works better. Most of the discussion was on which whichlibrary to use, so we 
decided to support several. I don't think thisblogger is really paying 
attention, and I'm not sure what the BBC uses.
   - rob -
-- Forwarded message --From: Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
09-Dec-2006 11:08Subject: Re: [Gnash] Gnash Video Codecs?To: Rob Savoye [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]Cc: gnash@gnu.org

Hi Rob!
Thanks for the quick reply!
On 09/12/06, Rob Savoye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Crossland wrote:  Gnash stuff is a nonstarter… if you 
read their lists, they're talking  about which other codecs they should use (that don't match the world's  content), and 
whether FFMpeg might help them (Adobe staff contributed  to FFMpeg and know it won't)We never talked about 
which codecs, we support Gstreamer and ffmpeg, so we support whatever codec those support, although right now the ffmpeg support 
works better.
Okay - so when Gnash is 1.0, the video sites like YouTube and GoogleVideo and 
such will play with it?

Most of the discussion was on which which library to use, so we decided to 
support several.

Cool! :-)

I don't think this blogger is really paying attention, and I'm not sure what 
the BBC uses.

The BBC uses Real and Windows Media, and the originally blog postersuggested they use 
Flash because It's the end of 2006 and the onlinevideo format wars are over. Flash 
won. Please use Flash video on yourweb site to provide a hassle-free viewing experience 
to the widestpossible audience.
My original quote was a from comment on that post.
-- Regards,Dave

-- Forwarded message --From: Rob Savoye [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
09-Dec-2006 11:14Subject: Re: [Gnash] Gnash Video Codecs?To: Dave Crossland [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]Cc: gnash@gnu.org

Dave Crossland wrote:

Okay - so when Gnash is 1.0, the video sites like YouTube and Google Video and 
such will play with it?

  It's being worked on on heavily right now, so it'll more likely be inthe next 
release sometime in the Spring.

The BBC uses Real and Windows Media, and the originally blog poster suggested they use 
Flash because It's the end of 2006 and the online video format wars are over. 
Flash won. Please use Flash video on your

  The Real protocol isn't support that well by anything, includinghelix. 
Windows media has some support, it depends on the version.YouTube and Google 
use FLV, which is decently supported by ffmpeg andGnash. So yes, the BBC would 
be better off using Flash than what theyare now.
   - rob
-- Regards,Dave
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