Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-25 Thread mikee
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Kyle Marsh might have said: Hello again all, I've tried looking in the manual for help, but I've found that while the manual is fairly comprehensive, it's not remarkably accessible; that is, while I'm sure my answers are probably in there somewhere, I'm not at all sure

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-25 Thread Kyle Marsh
Thank you Arno, This is rather what I expected. Kern seemed to say he was using the backup scheme from the manual with several clients, so I'd still like to see how that might work. However, your setup makes sense to me and seems less fragile, so I think I'll go with it. I have a few questions

[Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-25 Thread Kern Sibbald
Hello, Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:22:05 -0500 From: mikee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration Cc: bacula-users bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, 22 Jun 2007

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-23 Thread Arno Lehmann
Hi, 23.06.2007 03:16,, Kyle Marsh wrote:: Thank you Arno, This is rather what I expected. Kern seemed to say he was using the backup scheme from the manual with several clients, so I'd still like to see how that might work. Well, Kern pointed out that this was an example, and I suppose by

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-22 Thread Alan Brown
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, David Romerstein wrote: My gut tells me that, if one drive in a new-ish device fails, the likelihood of a second failing at-or-near the same time is pretty high, as the drives themselves are likely to be from the same manufacturing batch. Your gut and my experience. I've

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-22 Thread Alan Brown
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Jeff Kalchik wrote: My point is that there are always alternatives. Speed costs, how fast do you want to go. Or put another way: Good, Fast, Cheap - pick any two - This SF.net email is sponsored

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-22 Thread Alan Brown
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on RAID5 volumes. I pointed out that his high performance database had been running on a RAID5 (hardware implementation over Fibre Channel) volume set for 6 months. With a lot of NVRAM in the storage cabinet? ;) 2Gb NVRAM (battery backed) in

[Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-22 Thread Kern Sibbald
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:44:03 -0700 From: Kyle Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration To: bacula-users bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-22 Thread Kyle Marsh
On 6/22/07, Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:44:03 -0700 From: Kyle Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration To: bacula-users bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-22 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Friday 22 June 2007 21:48, Kyle Marsh wrote: On 6/22/07, Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:44:03 -0700 From: Kyle Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration To: bacula-users bacula-users

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-22 Thread Michael Nelson
Kyle Marsh wrote: I've tried looking in the manual for help, but I've found that while the manual is fairly comprehensive, it's not remarkably accessible; that is, while I'm sure my answers are probably in there somewhere, I'm not at all sure that I could find them, so I come to you for help.

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-22 Thread Arno Lehmann
Hi, 23.06.2007 02:03,, Kyle Marsh wrote:: Hello again all, I've tried looking in the manual for help, but I've found that while the manual is fairly comprehensive, it's not remarkably accessible; Quite true, unfortunately... This says nothing about how they interact with volumes, but to

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-22 Thread Kyle Marsh
Thank you Arno, This is rather what I expected. Kern seemed to say he was using the backup scheme from the manual with several clients, so I'd still like to see how that might work. However, your setup makes sense to me and seems less fragile, so I think I'll go with it. I have a few questions

[Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread Scott McDaniel
Dear All, I have been given a rare opportunity to get hardware nicer then I have ever had before. I now have a new with a 2Terabyte area for disk backups. In the past, I only used tape and therefore volumes were dictated by the tape. Now that I have this huge ocean for disk backups, I'm

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread mikee
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Scott McDaniel might have said: Dear All, I have been given a rare opportunity to get hardware nicer then I have ever had before. I now have a new with a 2Terabyte area for disk backups. In the past, I only used tape and therefore volumes were dictated by the

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
El jue, 21-06-2007 a las 06:55 -0500, mikee escribió: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Scott McDaniel might have said: I'm doing this now and should end up with about ~2T of RAID5 when I know that RAID5 is very appealing 'cause you end with 'a lot of usable disk space' but, I always discourage to use

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread John Drescher
I know that RAID5 is very appealing 'cause you end with 'a lot of usable disk space' but, I always discourage to use it. Each chunk of data to be written to disk is divided in Numer of physical RAID disks writes - 1 plus another write to store CRC on to the remaining disk ( the CRC chunk is

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread Peter Eisch
Below are excerpts from my configs. My /u1 is a 1.4T filesystem. I backup to disk daily and then migrate weekly to tape. If you jump down to the sd.conf excerpt at the bottom I added a wrinkle of keeping each pool of volumes for each client system in a separate directory. I then have multiple

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread David Romerstein
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, John Drescher wrote: How about raid 6? With raid 6 you can loose 2 disks and you loose nothing. I have around 10TB mostly on raid 6 using 250GB and 330 GB SATA drives and they work great. I have had to replace a disk from time to time but I have never had 2 go bad at

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
John Drescher wrote: I know that RAID5 is very appealing 'cause you end with 'a lot of usable disk space' but, I always discourage to use it. Each chunk of data to be written to disk is divided in Numer of physical RAID disks writes - 1 plus another write to store CRC on

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread Kyle Marsh
While this debate on the various merits of RaidN vs. RaidX is interesting and helpful, I don't believe it is what Scott was asking about. He was asking how one should configure Bacula to make the best use of his space. I looked at the example in the manual, here:

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:30:20 -0400 John Drescher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that RAID5 is very appealing 'cause you end with 'a lot of usable disk space' but, I always discourage to use it. Each chunk of data to be written to disk is divided in Numer of physical RAID disks writes

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread Jeff Kalchik
We can argue/discuss this until we're blue in the face but IMHO RAID10 is the way to go. Better performance, better redundancy, and better reliability. And increasingly I want to do in in software rather than hardware. Oh, absolutely, this can be debated past the end of time. Different

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
El jue, 21-06-2007 a las 14:38 -0500, Jeff Kalchik escribió: on RAID5 volumes. I pointed out that his high performance database had been running on a RAID5 (hardware implementation over Fibre Channel) volume set for 6 months. With a lot of NVRAM in the storage cabinet? ;) Regards D.

Re: [Bacula-users] need help managing disk configuration

2007-06-21 Thread Jeff Kalchik
El jue, 21-06-2007 a las 14:38 -0500, Jeff Kalchik escribió: on RAID5 volumes. I pointed out that his high performance database had been running on a RAID5 (hardware implementation over Fibre Channel) volume set for 6 months. With a lot of NVRAM in the storage cabinet? ;) Actually, no.