Re: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time
Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 05:45:43PM +0100, Alan Brown wrote: IE: double the network load. In order to achieve bit-identical backups, one would need to snapshot the filesystem before starting the backups and release the snapshot afterwards (Assuming LVM or other snapshot-capable setup) Hello Alan et al., I'm not really interested in bit-by-bit identical backups, I just want one full backup per month / host to go onto the tape library to take away and store the media in a different location, so a couple of different files within the tape backup would be no biggie. One final question, though: Right now, bacula does a full backup once a week and incremental backups during the rest of the week. However I only want the full backup to end up on tape. Is there a way to restrict cloned backups to level full only, ignoring the incremental level backups? As I understand it from the documentation, the level keyword in the job's run statement would force a certain backup level for the cloned job if I'm not mistaken? All the best thanks again everyone for your help comments, Uwe Yes it is possible to be done and this is the way I use it. You need to create different job and schedule it to do only full backups - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 01:33:53PM +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: From: Uwe Schuerkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bacula Users Mailing List bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:33:53 +0200 Subject: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time Hello, I was wondering if it's possible to store full backups both to disk and a tape library at the same time? I think I remember an example somewhere in the bacula docs of how to set this up, but I cannot for the life of me find it again. Sorry to follow up on my own post, but it looks like the clone feature (using run in a job definition) could be used for this purpose, or am I mistaken? Would a line similar to Run = fullbackup-client01 storage=DLT do the trick, and more importantly, would this job run concurrently with the regular backup to disk? All the best, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp, NIONEX GmbH (http://www.nionex.com/) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +49 (0)5241 / 80 10 66 FAX: / 806 23 38 Avenwedder Str. 55, D-33311 Guetersloh, Germany GnuPG KeyID: 5887047D, Fingerprint: 2E1320229A3F63 7F676FE9B1A836A461 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 09:47:18AM -0400, Hristo Benev wrote: From: Hristo Benev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Uwe Schuerkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bacula Users Mailing List bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:47:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 01:33:53PM +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: From: Uwe Schuerkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bacula Users Mailing List bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:33:53 +0200 Subject: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time Hello, I was wondering if it's possible to store full backups both to disk and a tape library at the same time? I think I remember an example somewhere in the bacula docs of how to set this up, but I cannot for the life of me find it again. Sorry to follow up on my own post, but it looks like the clone feature (using run in a job definition) could be used for this purpose, or am I mistaken? Would a line similar to Run = fullbackup-client01 storage=DLT do the trick, and more importantly, would this job run concurrently with the regular backup to disk? All the best, uwe I think that clone feature is not fully supported yet. I use 2 jobs running in same time one pointing to HDD and another to tape drive. Hi Hristo, thanks for your reply. Will those jobs retrieve the file from the clients twice (once for each job) or will the file / storage daemons handle this concurrent usage in a graceful manner so that unnecessary network and server load can be avoided? Cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp, NIONEX GmbH (http://www.nionex.com/) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +49 (0)5241 / 80 10 66 FAX: / 806 23 38 Avenwedder Str. 55, D-33311 Guetersloh, Germany GnuPG KeyID: 5887047D, Fingerprint: 2E1320229A3F63 7F676FE9B1A836A461 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 15:27, Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 01:33:53PM +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: From: Uwe Schuerkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bacula Users Mailing List bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:33:53 +0200 Subject: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time Hello, I was wondering if it's possible to store full backups both to disk and a tape library at the same time? I think I remember an example somewhere in the bacula docs of how to set this up, but I cannot for the life of me find it again. Sorry to follow up on my own post, but it looks like the clone feature (using run in a job definition) could be used for this purpose, or am I mistaken? Would a line similar to Run = fullbackup-client01 storage=DLT do the trick, and more importantly, would this job run concurrently with the regular backup to disk? Yes, the run command was intended to clone jobs. However, the above seems to me to be lacking a few options so may not produce a true clone (i.e. identical backups). Please take a look at the editing options that allow you to set critical items such as the since time to be identical to the job that is submitting the run command. If I am not mistaken, the manual has some examples. All the best, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp, NIONEX GmbH (http://www.nionex.com/) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +49 (0)5241 / 80 10 66 FAX: / 806 23 38 Avenwedder Str. 55, D-33311 Guetersloh, Germany GnuPG KeyID: 5887047D, Fingerprint: 2E1320229A3F63 7F676FE9B1A836A461 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time
Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 09:47:18AM -0400, Hristo Benev wrote: From: Hristo Benev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Uwe Schuerkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bacula Users Mailing List bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:47:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 01:33:53PM +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: From: Uwe Schuerkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bacula Users Mailing List bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:33:53 +0200 Subject: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time Hello, I was wondering if it's possible to store full backups both to disk and a tape library at the same time? I think I remember an example somewhere in the bacula docs of how to set this up, but I cannot for the life of me find it again. Sorry to follow up on my own post, but it looks like the clone feature (using "run" in a job definition) could be used for this purpose, or am I mistaken? Would a line similar to Run = "fullbackup-client01 storage=DLT" do the trick, and more importantly, would this job run concurrently with the regular backup to disk? All the best, uwe I think that clone feature is not fully supported yet. I use 2 jobs running in same time one pointing to HDD and another to tape drive. Hi Hristo, thanks for your reply. Will those jobs retrieve the file from the clients twice (once for each job) or will the file / storage daemons handle this concurrent usage in a graceful manner so that unnecessary network and server load can be avoided? Cheers, uwe Unfortunatelly it will be twice, and if you have rapidly changing enviroment the 2 backups will not be the same. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time
Please always copy the list. On Wednesday 02 August 2006 17:09, Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 04:08:45PM +0200, Kern Sibbald wrote: Yes, the run command was intended to clone jobs. However, the above seems to me to be lacking a few options so may not produce a true clone (i.e. identical backups). Please take a look at the editing options that allow you to set critical items such as the since time to be identical to the job that is submitting the run command. If I am not mistaken, the manual has some examples. Hi Ken, thanks for your reply, too ;) The documentation gives the following example: run = Nightly-backup level=%s since=\%s\ storage=DDS-4 However, I only want to clone full backups once a week to the tape library when a client is due for a full backup, so would I need the since keyword in the run statement, too? Probably not. Do you know wether the clone method would run the same backup twice, doubling both network and server load, or would the copy be cloned locally on the backup server? It runs two separate jobs, so the backups will be done at the same time each transmitting its data to the appropriate SD and will resulting backed up data be essentially the same but not bit for bit identical. Cheers all the best, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp, NIONEX GmbH (http://www.nionex.com/) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +49 (0)5241 / 80 10 66 FAX: / 806 23 38 Avenwedder Str. 55, D-33311 Guetersloh, Germany GnuPG KeyID: 5887047D, Fingerprint: 2E1320229A3F63 7F676FE9B1A836A461 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Backup up to tape AND disk at the same time
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: Do you know wether the clone method would run the same backup twice, doubling both network and server load, or would the copy be cloned locally on the backup server? It runs two separate jobs, so the backups will be done at the same time each transmitting its data to the appropriate SD and will resulting backed up data be essentially the same but not bit for bit identical. IE: double the network load. In order to achieve bit-identical backups, one would need to snapshot the filesystem before starting the backups and release the snapshot afterwards (Assuming LVM or other snapshot-capable setup) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
