Re: The Future of Religion

2010-11-02 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes and no, sola scriptura is one facet. Sola fide Sola gloria Dei Sola gratia Sola scriptura Solus Christus (or Solus Bahus) From: Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Mon,

Devout Religiousity

2010-11-02 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv How devout is devout? Religionists tend to be broken into three categories of followers: laity, devout devotees, clergy/monastics. I will give an example of this negleacted middle category. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up%C4%81saka_and_Up%C4%81sik%C4%81 That was the

Re: Devout Religiousity

2010-11-02 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Why doesn't the Baha'i Faith have a Ten Commandents, Yamas-Niyams, Precepts, etc? We do sometimes speak of the Twelve Principles. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com

Re: Devout Religiousity

2010-11-02 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments Jews consider the concept to be part of the Oral Torah via the Talmud with specific Talmudic divisions as oppsoed to Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, etc. divisions. The Qur'an has Sura 17 Al-Isra The Night Journey which

Re: Devout Religiousity

2010-11-02 Thread Matt Haase
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think the term devout is tricky, unless there is a framework for the word to have meaning. For example, which of the two people would you consider more devout? A man with no facial hair, wears a suit to work - holds fundamentalist views of religion. Or a man who grows

Re: Devout Religiousity

2010-11-02 Thread Tim Nolan
The Baha'i Studies Listserv What pratices would cause a Baha'i to qualify for devout devotee status? Who cares?  I don't think that's important.  Following in God's path has nothing to do with qualifying for some status.  I don't think this is anything to be concerned about. Being a good Baha'i

Re: Devout Religiousity

2010-11-02 Thread Tim Nolan
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Why doesn't the Baha'i Faith have a Ten Commandents Why should it have them?  Baha'u'llah revealed what God willed for our age.  I think it's a mistake to try to make the Baha'i revelation fit into any conceptual boxes we invent.  Tim All good art is about something

Re: Devout Religiousity

2010-11-02 Thread Tim Nolan
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Being a good Baha'i (or any religion) ...  It's more a matter of doing every conscious act with the pure motive of pleasing God.  Not that I know anything about that.  8-)  Tim All good art is about something deeper than it admits. --Roger Ebert - Original

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Naison Jones
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hi, I want to share some thoughts not from a so-called scholarly perspective but more a 'spiritual-inights' one. True equality can Never exist between man and women because they are different. All is meant in Bahai is that women have the same spiritual rank as men and

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv That is precisely the argument Muslims make and if buy into it we have made no progress whatsoever over the past dispensation. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Naison Jones naistrada...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hi, I want to share some thoughts

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I want to share some thoughts not from a so-called scholarly perspective but more a 'spiritual-inights' one. I should add since the only distinctions between men and women are physical ones your argument is more of a material perspective than a spiritual one.

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Naison Jones
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Ok fair enough. I was just giving food for thought not making a 'full argument' as such. But in any case there are apparent differences in man and woman that go beyond the physical. Even still physical differences necessitate different roles in the physical world. Why

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Naison Jones
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think its a bit harsh to say my argument shows no progress over Muslim doctrine. With the emphasis on education for women that Baha'u'llah gives they can achieve outward equality with men. Though what i was saying is this does not mean woman and men will have

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Wow, that's a really insulting ad hominem counter-argument which is really irrelevant to what was said. The Bahai faith all by its lonesome makes certain distinctions between men and women (e.g. membership in the house of justice, prohibition from military service,

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Naison Jones
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Signs in nature of harmony coming through apparent inequality: the queen bee (female) and all the worker bees. A necessary inequality for the hive to thrive and function. Ants. Woker and ants and ants of varying roles (soldier ants) etc and the queen ant. Through these

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Naison, I wasn't criticizing your explanation or metaphor. I was being critical of Susan's complaint that you were echoing what Muslims say. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Naison Jones naistrada...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Signs in nature of

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Ok fair enough. I was just giving food for thought not making a 'full argument' as such. Sorry if I responded sharply but I get pretty touchy when people imply that their own perspective is somehow more 'spiritual' than us 'academics.' But in any case there are

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Wow, that's a really insulting ad hominem counter-argument which is really irrelevant to what was said. It is not an issue of being ad hominem. Perhaps you didn't

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-02 Thread Matt Haase
The Baha'i Studies Listserv *Sure, and the same is true of Islam... both in terms of how Muslims understand Islamic general roles, or, in this case, how non-Muslims at times go too far in attributing problematic gender roles to Islam per se. As I've said to you before, if you really believe that