In a message dated 12/28/2004 7:37:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"In the mundane case it is easier to deal with the idea that nothing
isperfect so its not a big deal for it to be improved upon later. Like
asports record... there is always going to be someone
In a message dated 12/26/2004 1:02:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>And is that really how
the rule is stated? So you can get an abortion if your doctor says its okay?
Or do they have to be medically necessary?<<
I"t is left up to the individual to m
In a message dated 12/26/2004 9:40:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That
message was, of course, written almost 4 1/2 years ago. At that time, I would
have agreed with Terry. (In fact, we discussed it.) I don't know what his
views are now.
Dear Mark,
As I r
In a message dated 12/26/2004 9:40:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That
message was, of course, written almost 4 1/2 years ago. At that time, I would
have agreed with Terry. (In fact, we discussed it.) I don't know what his
views are now.
I'm wondering about
In a message dated 1/21/2005 3:32:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It
sparks a fire in youth in my estimation, and those who are not well deepened.
Those who spent years doing it the old way mostly find it redundant and
repetitive as well as having heard it be
In a message dated 1/21/2005 4:08:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It
precisely says that a woman must make the decision in consultation with her
physician. I recall that a friend of mine, after reading it, wondered whether
men were given any rights in this mat
In a message dated 1/21/2005 4:26:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Did the
Bab wage Jihad against all the non-believers or just against
Muslims?
The Bab never waged jihad. His followers fought in His absence when He was
imprisoned.
warmest, Susan
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In a message dated 1/21/2005 5:00:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, all of the battles, including the one at Shaykh Tabarsi, were
defensive actions against attacks by Muslims.
Dear Mark,
A controversial question. Raising a black flag in Khurasan
In a message dated 1/21/2005 5:09:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now, for clarification, can you tell us, if the Baha'is were trapped at
Shaykh Tabarsi today, and Muslims attacked them, would the Baha'is be allowed
to fight back, according to the Law of
Baha
In a message dated 1/21/2005 5:18:35 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By the religion which immediately preceded the Baha'i Faith, I think
that Susan had in mind the Babi Faith, not Islam.My
mistake.
Actually, I was thinking of both.
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Dear James,
A number of your quotations are taken from Divine Philosophy which more or
less falls into the category of pilgrim's notes. But I think your understanding
is both right and wrong. The very purpose of the Baha'i Faith is to bring about
the unity of humanity and by it, an end to
In a message dated 1/21/2005 6:46:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So does
the UHJ believe the first Gulf War was justified? Are thereother official
Bahai statements related to Gulf War I, and Gulf
WarII?
Dear Gilberto,
That's the only one and it wasn't the H
In a message dated 1/21/2005 5:48:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I once knew someone who told me he only accepted Muhammad on the
authority of Baha'u'llah.
Dear Mark,
I think most of us did at first.
warmest, Susan
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In a message dated 1/21/2005 5:55:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
would certainlyadmit that it has the potential to be abused
(virtually all rules do)but jizya actually is ordained in the Quran, so if
you really think itis necessarily a form of harrassment and
In a message dated 1/21/2005 2:25:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Secondly, the people beingprotected would also definitely include
the non-Muslims who weremembers of the community. (That's what the jizya
is for to beginwith).
Really? And which of these traditi
In a message dated 1/21/2005 2:20:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If
you are just arguing about the "names" that seems an odddistinction to
make.
I am not at all arguing about names and I have a difficult time figuring
out why you find this so hard to grasp. Is
In a message dated 1/21/2005 2:17:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why isn't "Bahaullah and the New Era" "the writings"?
Dear Gilberto,
By "Writings" I mean our scriptures; what we consider the Word of God.
Baha'u'llah and the New Era is just a piece
In a message dated 1/21/2005 2:16:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My younger daughter has blossomed with it as well. I have no doubt it
does good, I also have no doubt it is not sufficient to itself for
all.
Dear Scott,
It strikes me that Ruhi is really id
In a message dated 1/21/2005 2:04:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As for
me, I sat and suffered through one session of Ruhi and was ready to putgun
to my head after that. So it may not be for an old dog like me, but as
Isaid it was God-sent for my son.
Dear
In a message dated 1/21/2005 12:15:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1903,
not 1906.
Oops, sorry. I always associate with the Constitutional Revolution.
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In a message dated 1/21/2005 12:00:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"You are allowed to apply capital punishment according to
yourreligion. You are allowed to engage in "collective security" in
yourreligion. You are allowed to engage in "righteous warfare" in
In a message dated 1/21/2005 11:58:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pretty much every discussion of physical jihad I've seen from
atraditional/orthodox persepctive talks about it in the context
ofdefending Muslim lands and lives
Dear Gilberto,
When
In a message dated 1/21/2005 11:40:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Where did the word 'righteous' come from? In "Bahaullah
and the New Era" there is an entire chapter called"Righteous
Warfare"
Okay. The term 'righteous warfare' occurs nowhere in the Writ
In a message dated 1/21/2005 11:29:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
"Defending" could be nothing more than apologetics. I could actually
say the same about jihad then. There is a hadithwhich states: ""The best
jihad is speaking the truth to an
unjustruler."
In a message dated 1/21/2005 9:44:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"So whatever it means to "blot out holy war" it doesn't
absolutelyexclude the possibility that Bahais would take up arms to
defendthemselves and fight non-Bahais."
Dear Gilberto,
They
In a message dated 1/21/2005 9:40:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You still haven't convincinglyexplained or shown why there would be
any morally significantdifference between the "holy wars" carried out
under the leadership ofthe prophet Muhammad or Imam Huss
In a message dated 1/21/2005 9:40:33 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What is the distinction you are making between "protecting" and
"defending"?
Dear Gilberto,
"Defending" could be nothing more than apologetics. I'm talking about
what could be life and
In a message dated 12/25/2004 6:02:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Although Shoghi Effendi said that abortions should not be permitted
unless authorized by the woman's physician
Dear Mark,
I don't recall the Guardian referring to a woman's physician
In a message dated 12/25/2004 11:46:40 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
it's
true that the early, formative years of the Babí andBahá'í Faith were
characterized by a good deal of violence and bloodshed
Babi, not Baha'i.
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In a message dated 12/25/2004 11:13:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But when Bahais make a big deal out say that "holy war" has
beenabrogated it gives the impression that somehow they are more
peaceful,or closer to pacifism, etc. than other religions in princi
In a message dated 12/25/2004 9:40:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Butthey see the Bahai faith as a threat to their worldview,
theirculture, their religion. And as a response, several countries led
byreligious militant fundamentalists join together an attack t
In a message dated 12/25/2004 1:20:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
think I would define "H.ikmat" a trifle differently in a Bahá'í
reference.Perhaps Susan or Khazeh could offer a better
definition?
Not promote or defend but sometimes to protect. For instan
In a message dated 1/19/2005 5:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
However, the manner in which Ruhi encourages action is by resorting to
the U.S. military study method - which was also designed to get people to do
certain things (not that I am making a compari
In a message dated 1/18/2005 12:36:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of
course, in context, `Abdu'l-Baha is referring to legislative deductions.
Correct. But the issue of the proper relationship between religion and
state is a matter of law.
warmest, Susan
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In a message dated 12/21/2004 9:34:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All I
mean when *I* saycorruption is that the first five books of the Bible are
not identicalto the Torah given to Moses. The 4 Biblical gospels are not
identicalto the Gospel given to Jesus.
In a message dated 12/23/2004 8:11:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(Don't
Bahais say that the world will continue to exist
indefinitely?)
Dear Gilbert,
I'm going through some old posts that I missed during my vacation and noted
the above remark. Baha'is believ
In a message dated 12/21/2004 9:34:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All I
mean when *I* saycorruption is that the first five books of the Bible are
not identicalto the Torah given to Moses. The 4 Biblical gospels are not
identicalto the Gospel given to Jesus.
In a message dated 1/17/2005 10:37:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The same when I hear glorification of things.
how many people OUTSIDE the USA do you know who have gone through the
ruhi books, who have done more than one?
Dear Janine,
If most people are
In a message dated 1/17/2005 2:51:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do not think that "the wisdom of referring the
laws of society to the House of Justice" the laws of society means civil
laws,
Dear Firouz,
My translation of akham-i madaniyyih here is the qu
In a message dated 1/15/2005 1:15:33 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What
exactly did he say about them? And how do you know they are the
same?
I don't have the book with me right now. Have you never read "That which
Delivers from Error"? It is a classic.
"And h
In a message dated 1/14/2005 3:47:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At the
top of the document Jonah states "Note: the article "Church and
State in the World Order of Baha'u'llah," by Sen McGlinn, also addresses
these issues." Is this the document that the Univ
My
understanding is that the word siyasat in 19th century (and early 20th
century) Persian and Arabic means leadership and not politics as it is
commonly used. The 1943 translation of the eighth Ishraq in the Baha'i World
Faith reads:
"Administrative affair are all in charge of the House of Justic
In a message dated 1/9/2005 3:58:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<>Maybe it's just me, but from my perspective, humanity's
biggest problem isn't ignorance as much as
forgetfulness.
No offense, Gilberto, but is that your *personal* perspective. It looks
like the r
In a message dated 1/8/2005 4:26:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sale's
translation is the most scholarly we have, but Rodwell's version is more
literary, and hence easier for reading. (From a letter written on
behalf of Shoghi Effendi (23 November
1934).
In a message dated 1/4/2005 5:57:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
don'tthink that that kind of success is much of an indication of truth.
Infact, I think in general the liberation theology perspective
(whereGod is on the side of the poor and the oppressed) is
In a message dated 1/4/2005 5:35:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But
in general, that books which I've read which come out of the"Deobandi"
circles are actually pretty explicitly and uniformlysupportive of Sufism.
Tablighi Jamaat which is probably the Muslimwor
In a message dated 1/3/2005 2:01:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm
notinterested in converting. It is interesting to have exchanges back
andforth and share ideas. It is interesting to compare and contrast.
Seethe similarities and differences. But sometimes w
In a message dated 1/2/2005 12:59:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
Prophet married her (by traditional accounts) when she was seven, but did not
consumate the marriage until she was eleven. That seems reasonable to me by
the standards of the time.
Dear Scott
In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:57:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
Qur'an warns against hadith.
Where does it do that?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
this was
right after Muhammed had developed a signet ring (Seal) for doing business
with Byzantium.
Huh?
I think Muslims put as much stake in what Muhammad supposedly said at His
last sermon a
In a message dated 1/1/2005 8:28:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That
strikes me as kind of an arbitrary distinction, especially in areligious
context. It's not like looking up who is next in the orderor succession
after vice-president or something. In a religi
In a message dated 1/1/2005 8:42:40 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I didn't
closely follow the omniscience discussion so I'm not sure ifspecific
claims along these lines were made in the Bahai writingsregarding
Abdul-Baha but aren't both *knowing* how to underst
In a message dated 12/31/2004 2:12:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wonder
why no one > has mentioned this tragedy on this list and if there are
Baha'i > Communities there?
I'm sure there are. What I'm wondering is if there are any SEDs in those
areas which mi
In a message dated 12/30/2004 5:49:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
RS:
<> Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to assume that Abdul Baha used an
interpreter becuase he could't understand English well without one?
<>Why else would Abdu'l-Baha use an interpreter
?
Dea
In a message dated 12/30/2004 3:24:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Brentcito
'Little' Brent?
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"There
is one other condition which should be mentioned. There arecertain
former Bah whose actions do not necessarily constituteCovenant-breaking,
but are seriously destructive. Where such pe
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Reflections on GrowthNumber 1 March 2004Intensive Growth in
Advanced ClustersDuring the past year in a number of countries, greater
attention was given to expansionin advanced clusters. The most systematic
approach to date is emerging in Asia, where t
Could anyone else tell me, what stands out in your mind about why you
converted. What was the thing that grabbed you adn convinced
you.
Dear Ron,
I was very young when I became a Baha'i. When I read Release the Sun and
compared it with the Gospels it seemed to me that it was the same st
In a message dated 12/29/2004 11:03:09 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
take Their statements literally unless thye violate natural law. The
existence of a human who inspired the stories about Abraham does not
require violation of physical laws of the universe, i
In a message dated 12/29/2004 10:43:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
why did
Baha'u'llah not speak with Browne in English, it is because he didn't
know English. Does this make sense if He is omniscient at
will? I think it does because I can argue that he did n
In a message dated 12/29/2004 10:36:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
Omniscient at will.. Whose will? Baha'u'llah prayed: "Aid me, O my
> Lord, to surrender myself wholly to Thy Will.">Good point.
But I still wonder why God would do it this way. And it still
In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:59:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It was the official language of the Ottoman occupiers of the Holy Land,
and the "jailers" of Abdu'l Baha. I assume he had some fluency as did his
parents and grandparents.
Dear Scott,
Abdu'
In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:03:04 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dr.
Maneck, I understand that you and many others on this List, and many Bahaâi
scholars and Administrators believe in Omniscience at Will, Omnipotence at
Will, and other similar concepts that I
In a message dated 12/21/2004 10:10:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I find the question of women's services on the Universal House of justice
confusing. But that decision was made first by a group containing a large
percentage of women and the decision w
In a message dated 12/21/2004 12:44:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
hadnât run across this most interesting bit of information before. Could
you give a little more of this history, or perhaps point me towards some
further reading?
Here's some websi
In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:30:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But the
Bahai faith isn't completely dissimilar to those groups. Ithink about "A
thief in the night" and the related interpretations ofthe Millerite groups
who as fundamentalists literally exp
In a message dated 12/20/2004 10:55:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you
didn't have Dispensationalism in mind, which was the Christianconcept you
were thinking of which was similar to
progressiverevelation?
Dear Gilberto,
I think progressive revelation wa
In a message dated 12/20/2004 5:06:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
While
I'm open to a "broader" understanding of the term, I feel that because the
passage from Baha'u'llah opens with : "Contemplate with thine inward eye
the chain ofsuccessive Revelations that
In a message dated 12/20/2004 7:33:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is
a Christian doctrine known as dispensationalism which breakshuman history
into different periods (dispensations) where God dealswith human beings in
a particular way
Dear Gilberto,
In a message dated 12/18/2004 6:12:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've
heard (although I don't remember the exact source this second)that
Sears has specifically not chosen to correct the errors in "Thiefin the
Night" so that one could still honestly say that
In a message dated 12/18/2004 12:00:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It
is apparent that the review process does not weed out even the most
obvious errors of the kind you refer to. "Thief in the Night" by
William Sears was published and extremely widely circulat
In a message dated 12/11/2004 5:18:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
would prefer Crowley to the guards of the "new" mainstream Protestantism any
day, e.g., Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Franklin Graham..
Mainstream? God help us!
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In a message dated 12/11/2004 4:09:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What
is surprising is that a Bahai (or anyone else who followed areligion which
adhered to "standard" "traditional" morality) wouldfavorably compare
Crowley to mainstream Christianity.
Dear Gi
In a message dated 12/11/2004 3:55:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really!?!? I don't understand? What is the appeal? Besides, I've
evenheard from some followers of Thelema that in some ways the
movementhas already been "corrupted" to Crowleanity.
Mark was into th
> Name some female muftis for me and> cite the fetwas
they issued which others followed. Aisha (ra) is obviously one big early
one"
Dear Gilberto,
To my knowledge Aisha was honored as a hadith reciter, not a mufti.
Which muftis are currently practicing in the Islamic world?
warme
In a message dated 12/11/2004 12:04:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Second,
there is a discussion about radiocarbon dating, which is our best method for
dating fossils less than 30,000 years old. Let's go back in time to 1912. At
Piltdown near Sussex a skull
In a message dated 12/11/2004 10:45:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Where
are you getting that from?
For gosh sakes, Gilberto. Have you never seen the fatwas to the effect that
women should not be in positions of political authority because political
leaders eng
In a message dated 12/11/2004 12:30:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If I
am honst, I have this same issue. The sufferigof Jesus on the cross is a
powerful story. Try as I might, I can not see Baha'u'llah's imprisonment for
decades as equivalent. It just isnt'
In a message dated 12/10/2004 11:45:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think
that many are willing to take what the editors say at face
value.
Well, that certainly happens, and at times tutors encourage it. When one
participant noted that no source was given to su
In a message dated 12/10/04 8:46:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When I heard a most prominent BahaâI describe anyone who questions a literally inerrant understanding of infallibility as being an attacker of the faith, it curdled my blood.
Dear Ron,
Good to see you bac
In a message dated 12/10/04 9:42:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Seems to be the same question I asked myself, and the conclusion I drew was that the Ruhi editors opinion (personal interpretation) is supposed to supersede what the Writings say about reading the revelations
In a message dated 12/10/04 9:40:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is my impression that, in the Book of Certitude, Baha'u'llah makes a case that the over-emphasis on literalism by proponents of relgion is a leading cause for the decline of religious faith and the declinin
In a message dated 12/10/04 9:27:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is but one power which heals -- that is God. The state or condition
through which the healing takes place is the confidence of the heart. By
some this state is reached through pills, powders, and physi
In a message dated 12/10/04 8:31:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Know assuredly that just as thou firmly believest that the Word of God,
> exalted be His glory, endureth for ever, thou must, likewise, believe with
> undoubting faith that its meaning can never be exhaust
In a message dated 12/10/04 7:44:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What if an NSA makes homefront pioneering goals contingent on conducting Ruhi classes? That sounds pretty exclusive to me.
Dear Mark,
I'm not sure any NSA has done this. I heard it from a Counsellor, but I'
In a message dated 12/10/04 7:15:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyway, I am a bit surprised at the consistent negativity towards Ruhi even
though the House has over and over made it plain it has no intentions of
forcing exclusivity to any form of deepening/teaching/stud
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It is now that unity of thought and action is most needed. It is now, when the Cause is entering a new phase of development, when its Administration is being gradually consolidated amid the welter and chaos o
In a message dated 12/10/2004 7:04:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
unity of
thought refers to keeping one's mind and heart centered on Baha'u'llah and
`Abdu'l-Baha, i.e., the Covenant. It has nothing directly to do with the
fundamentalist indoctrination process
In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:52:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Too
much discussions about the Ruhi Program in this forum, now the Ruhi Program is
a real and efficient way to grow, it is not perfect (nothing is) but it help
the Faith to grow better than
be
In a message dated 12/9/2004 11:22:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has it been effective among older, educated believers in urban
areas in Peru, Hasan? Or does it work better among the young and the
semi-literate as I have suggested?
Yes
In a message dated 12/9/2004 11:08:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why you
put too messages against Ruhi program?
Huh? Other than that cartoon, Max has been posting nothing but quotations
from Ruhi materials.
The
functions of the tutor are clear an
In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:59:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
normal rules of punctualityand courtesy apply to study circles, as they do
to any other selling
Was this typo a Freudian slip? >;->
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You are
In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:48:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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I would
like to invite you to join a study circle we have recentlyestablished in
our community. There are already twelve people in our group,and I am sure
you will like every one of them. We ha
In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:45:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Ruhi
Institute, following the ideas presented in the previousparagraphs,
asserts that effective participation which will not easilydegenerate into
political manipulation requires a systemat
In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:40:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
experience of the Ruhi Institute has shown that we do not suppress the
imagination or the personality of the participants
How have they determined they aren't doing this?
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In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:35:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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Thus,
for example, after reading thequotation, ÃâÅThe betterment of the world
can be accomplished through pureand goodly deeds, through commendable and
seemly conduct, the student isasked, "How
In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:31:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't think tutor is "true believer" just because is a "tutor", I think
we can't or "must" say when one baha'i is *true* or *not true* believer.
Hasan
Dear Hasan,
We've got a linguistic-cu
In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:19:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As a
Canadian, I cannot say that I have ever experienced the situationdepicted
in the cartoon. The ABM's that I have met have been quite vocal
intheir encouragement to study other materials, i
In a message dated 12/5/04 2:31:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Get a
hold of David Piff's curious book on Baha'i Lore. Might help :).You'llfind
the complete list i.e Cher, Supertramp, Waylon Jennings, Timothy
Leary,Barbara Streisand, Jackson Pollock, Gene Rodde
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