RE: Humility and self-delusion

2004-02-05 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Hi there David! I see you've been thinking again... you wrote: Humble people often genuinely believe themselves to be of a lower station than they really are, and express views which are false. My understanding of humbleness is ones ability to repress feelings of spiritual, intellectual, or

RE: Humility and self-delusion

2004-02-05 Thread David Friedman
Dear Sandra, Ruhiyyih Khanum thought that Shoghi Effendi had appointed her a Hand of the Cause just because she was his wife. I believe that was something Violette Nakhjavani said in her talk about Ruhiyyih Khanum at the North American ABS in 2000. I'm not saying that Shoghi Effendi said

Re: Humility and self-delusion

2004-02-05 Thread Barbara Clements
David, What I have learned in the almost 20 years I have been a Baha'i, is that we can not judge the spiritual station or even true personality of someone else. At 02:53 AM 2/5/2004, you wrote: There have been many really good Baha'is. These people have obviously been humble. What I have

Re: Humility and self-delusion

2004-02-05 Thread Mark A. Foster
David, Perhaps we are confusing humility with taraf, which can only be understood in the context of Persian culture. Humility and taraf are not exactly the same. Mark A. Foster * http://MarkFoster.net http://CompuServe.MarkFoster.name __ You

Re: Humility and self-delusion

2004-02-05 Thread Michael Alcorn
My question is, can anyone be totally objective about themselves? Therefore it figures that we must be even less able to be objective when trying to consider another's degree of humility or objectiveness? Only God kows our true worth so in my opinion we must develop the virtue of humility. I am

Re: Humility and self-delusion

2004-02-05 Thread Mark A. Foster
Hi, David, At 06:48 PM 2/5/2004, you wrote: Is Taraf that ridiculous custom where you lie to your host twice when they ask you for a meal, saying you don't want one, and then say you do when they ask you the third time? It may seem ridiculous to a non-Iranian. However, many Western customs