Re: Prophets and sin

2004-01-31 Thread Patti Goebel
for the people. If so, what did the people do wrong? I see nothing about the people of Israel mentioned, as is the case in the example 'Abdu'l-Baha cites. Furthermore, what David is described as doing appears pretty sinful to me. David David, I think perhaps the confusion here is due to

Re: Prophecy

2004-01-23 Thread Patti Goebel
Few prophecies, especially biblical number prophecies, have obvious explanations. You have to *make* them fit. One thing I find interesting about the biblical prophecy concerning the timing in Daniel is that it appears that it can be interpreted in the same manner it was interpreted to validate

Re: Baha'i Saints, Heroes, Martyrs, Administrators

2004-01-17 Thread Patti Goebel
I am a member of my local spiritual assembly, but I dont claim to be a Bahai administrator. I know one, though. He gets up at 5:00 every morning to pray for two hours for his community before he goes to work. He and his family support the activities of the friends, their firesides and

Re: Looks like I didn't get the memo

2004-01-01 Thread Patti Goebel
A long time ago we bought some prayer beads, and after having them for some years I counted them and found that they had made a mistake and there were only 94. I wasn't too happy about that, but hopefully we have an excuse for saying one less than the required amount! Why don't you

Re: America and the Most Great Peace: More elucidation

2003-12-04 Thread Patti Goebel
I agree. Our community still has a Knight of Baha'u'llah who has wonderful stories to tell, and I've just sent out an e-mail to find someone to get her and a video camera together. Dear Brent, You are most correct in identifying our neglegence. How often I've heard someone say "We

Signs of the times

2003-11-21 Thread Patti Goebel
Hi all, I came across the following in the Qur'an this week (Sura 34): "“Never,” say the unbelievers, “will the Hour come upon us!” Say: Yea,by my Lord who knoweth the unseen, it will surely come upon you! not theweight of a mote either in the Heavens or in the Earth escapeth him; nor

Re: Socrates revisited

2003-11-13 Thread Patti Goebel
This is an ancient thread (in more ways than one), but I just came across some more information and have a couple more questions and comments.. However Socrates lived between 469-399 and as far as I know the last Prophets of Israel were Malachi500-450 Jonah450-400. B.C.E ( I'm not

Re: LANGUAGES OF REVELATION

2003-10-22 Thread Patti Goebel
Maybe, Bahá'u'lláh refers to the old Syriac = the Aramaean language. The Hebrew language has alphabet from 1000 BCE. The first writings in Aramaean language date of the IX-VIII BCE. The Hebrew Writing is much older. There is not Sacred Writing in Aramaic previous to the Writing Sacred in

Re: An answer re: Love Thine Enemy

2003-10-21 Thread Patti Goebel
That said, I would like to note one thing, given our interfaith nature: [minister X] describes love of enemy as the most ignored commandment. I have great respect for [minister X] and the work that she does. But let it be said that not all of us have this as a commandment at all. True,

Re: Manifestations only from the east?

2003-09-06 Thread Patti Goebel
Sandra wrote: "I could find nothing in Ocean that states they MUST come from the East. In many of His talks -particularly in Paris and London, Abdu'l-Baha draws on the point that the Manifestations HAVE appeared in the East. However, in the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, I sense that He is

Re: Conferred Infallibility of the House of Justice

2003-08-27 Thread Patti Goebel
I'm especially suspicious of George Latimer's pilgrim's notes. I recall him asking 'Abdu'l-Baha if WWI was the Battle of Armaggedon. 'Abdu'l-Baha supposedly answered, Yes, what could be worse!. Well most of us can think of a lot of things today! Dear Susan, I'm not certain that Armageddon

Re: Beings and creatures

2003-08-27 Thread Patti Goebel
Matt, Additionally, inherent in the idea of every planet having its own creaturesisan assumption about all creatures that ever existed or might ever exist on the planet. All of Earth's creatures do not currently exist, many are extinct and there are probably many more speciesto appear in

Re: Anything new on the House and women question?

2003-07-29 Thread Patti Goebel
That's fine. But the only thing I'm interested is to find out if there is something from the World Centre. That's what I like to share with my friends who left the Faith because of this issue. Ahang, This isn't from the World Center, but here are a couple of comments and quotes from the