Re: [BangPypers] Online communication channel
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV nou...@nibrahim.net.in wrote: - Logging, notification etc. can be handled by one of the various open source bots out there. We can keep history with as much scrollback as necessary. Most open source chat rooms do this. See www.echelog.com for an example. -- Ram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Connecting developers and companies
Folks: I'm an employee from one of the companies - ThoughtWorks - who have helped make space available for meetups. I'm not around in Bangalore now-a-days, so I ask one or the other colleague to help provide space. Noufal has described at ThoughtWorks position on such meetups. I've been chaperoning one tech meetup or the other at the ThoughtWorks offices since 2006. I discuss with other folks who provide venues to such meetups. We techies at our organizations get it that other technies need space for a meetup. We ask internally for space, and we then chaperone the meetup. Once in a while, there are the odd non-techies who view the whole meetup as a major marketing opportunity. Depending upon the community, this may or may not be fine. Once in a while - for other meetups like the Android user group hosted at ThoughtWorks- some other company has even sponsored Pizzas. In return, they were given a 10 minute slot to talk about their product. No one in the audience ever felt that they were the product or felt offended in any way. If anything, such sessions once in a while have even helped inspire confidence that there are companies making products and offering services using such technologies and in this space. Fully aware that at the moment I'm inactive and am an arm-chair spectator at best, I propose that the active community explore providing a 10 minute slot for companies to speak about themselves and their products, and if anyone feels that it's getting over commercialized, then discuss how to address it. Speaking from personal experience, slamming the door shut doesn't help anyone. -- Ram On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:05 AM, kracekumar ramaraju kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for pitching in with suggestions. Every point is worth. At this point we will focus what we're currently doing and pause this initiative. Thanks once again! On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 3:27 PM, sayantan bhattacharya skb655...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. So, in case the organizers are looking for sponsors for the next meetup, the search time reduces too. On Jul 20, 2015 3:03 PM, Mandar Vaze / मंदार वझे mandarv...@gmail.com wrote: But in case Company B wishes to present too, they will have to get prior permission from Company A along with the organizers of the meet-up. Or Company B can just sponsor next meetup ;) -Mandar ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- *Thanks RegardskracekumarTalk is cheap, show me the code -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com http://kracekumar.com* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] About the Nim Language
Hi folks: I discovered the Nim programming language via HackerNews. Here are some discussion threads: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8814449 http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/671 A quote that caught my attention : Nim is like writing C at the speed of Python, and running Python at the speed of C. -- Ram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The Python I would like to see - Armin Ronacher
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@mimirtech.com wrote: snip/ We have been itching to goto Python 3, but the deal-breaker for us was Django not being ready. Now that Django does support Python 3, we did think again about moving, but held off exactly because of what you mention: Lack of Python 3 support in several third-party apps that were critical for us. I've suggested to one of my customers that they could sponsor some dev time for helping migrate to Python 3. After some consideration, they moved to Go Lang. Regards, Gora -- Ram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The Python I would like to see - Armin Ronacher
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@nibrahim.net.in wrote: On 2014-08-18 21:45, chandrakant kumar wrote: Python 3 has been a disappointment. I haven't used it enough to judge (and this has, in my experience, been the case with most critics). However, as the projects I deal with grow larger, I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with Python (and dynamic languages in general). Hi Noufal, could you elaborate on this? I have enjoyed the freedom of non-static typing that Python and Ruby offer, but also sometimes miss the static type checking that C# and Java offer. -- Ram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] Getting started with DTrace.
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar benignb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sriram, On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 6:35 AM, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com wrote: I've resumed learning dtrace for debugging on production. Given Paul Fox' work on dtrace for Linux (apart from dtrace being production ready on bsd and Solaris), and the dtrace patches for Python ( both of which I haven't tried yet), I think using dtrace will be most effective going forward. When you find some time, please do post a few Python dtrace one-liners here. It would be useful to the rest of us. Thanks OSX, Solaris, BSD users: you already have DTrace. Linux users: See https://github.com/dtrace4linux/linux Once you've determined that you have dtrace (by either installing dtrace4linux Run python in one terminal window, and then dtrace -l | grep python in another window. Please see: http://www.brendangregg.com/dtrace.html#DTraceToolkit Get the DTrace toolkit, and check the scripts in the python folder. Start using these scripts. I've only tried this out on Solaris, though they may work on other OS platforms too. -- Ram www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Do you pin your requirements.txt ?
On Sep 15, 2013 4:37 AM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote: Thanks to Travis, we test every commit, before deployment. I was perhaps misunderstood. If you test (even with say travis) but without a pinned requirements.txt, and then create a dist and later deploy the dist onto the server using a pip install (w/o a requirements.txt) then you no longer have a repeatability in terms of transient dependencies. Because travis may have used a version x.y of a transient dependency but the actual deployment may end up using version x.(y+1) if the dependency in setup.py of a dist you directly used specified the transient dependency as = x.0 say. To avoid this problem, I'd ensure that my build and production systems are setup using the same scripts. I'm inclined to bundling dependencies as private libraries if I've no control on the runtime systems. Or then perhaps I couldn't understand something. -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.zaiki.in/ http://hasgeek.com/ (Sent from my phone) On Sep 14, 2013 11:58 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote: We almost never pin at HasGeek. If an external library breaks API, we upgrade our code ASAP (we discover breakage from Travis reports). I know I sound a little too particular, and frankly that is not my intent, but there still remains an issue in terms of repeatability. The tests have to be run as a part of the deployment process if you want to ensure that the distributions you test with are the distributions that you deploy with. Between the risk of breaking code and having the hot seat at any hint of bit rot, I find the latter preferable. A sentiment I empathise with. Only yesterday I found code breaking against python 3.3.1 (as opposed to 3.3.0) and hopefully should fix it in the next couple of days. Its just that I've rarely found the luxury to hold back a deployment should a piece of code break due to dependency version upgrades. Thus dependency version upgrades almost work with a different time window than just pure deployable distribution version upgrade cycle. Kiran -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.zaiki.in/ http://hasgeek.com/ (Sent from my phone) On Sep 14, 2013 10:50 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@nibrahim.net.in wrote: Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com writes: [...] The difficulty with that approach (I've never actually done it) is that it requires versioning these bundles, make them available to your installation scripts and code to them (lately I've started using ansible to do this). I know. I don't think I'd do it again. This was a stop gap thing back then. [...] After realising distributions eventually disappear pypi (central), makes sense to have your own pypi mirror which lacks the feature of disappearing dists. I actually had a script which would make a bundle and then wrap it up in a self extracting script (using makeself). If you ran it, it would serve the packages in that bundle as a local PyPI mirror which you could install off of. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- -- http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: @dnene http://twitter.com/dnenegoogle plus: http://gplus.to/dhananjaynene ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
I've sent a few emails to Svaksha - first asking what exactly was not right, and then followed up stating that I didn't see the source code itself. I don't know what Anand had in mind writing such code. Knowing him and his strong sense of sarcastic humor, I'd like to reserve judgement on his actions until he explains himself. I know that he does care about educating folks about Python and helping evangelize it. -- Ram On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:49 PM, svaksha svak...@gmail.com wrote: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py, comes off as trying too hard to be cute. #EpicFail. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Belenix: www.belenix.org Twitter: @sriramnrn ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 1:27 AM, svaksha svak...@gmail.com wrote: Am reading all the responses, including Anand's apology, so I'll reply to those later. One at a time. And since you responded to my email, here goes: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. I was talking about the initial mail which lacked context. There you go again. See below. I think we are splitting hairs here. I don't know him and I am not taking sides and this is not a battle. I support more constructive methods of approaching these problems in the community. Thats it. YMMV. Are we ? Lets see, its ok for you to split hairs and call me a troll but I cant respond? and when I do you choose to label that as splitting hairs? I find your responses a lot more patronizing and I'm happy to explain if you care to listen. The whole telling women what to do, how to handle things (despite her saying she does not like private conversation on social issues that ought to be public). There are plenty of sexist incidents in Foss and its not my job to go in private to educate anyone. You are entitled to your opinion and me to mine. Thanks. However, your repeated emails on this thread came across as stuffing your opinions down my throat. I dont appreciate that and find it annoying as I dislike having private conversations on bad behaviour, unless you are a person I trust and respect - Yes, I've had many private conversations with hackers I've never met, just interacted online. This is just not one of those. But if people flame newbies / women / other under-represented groups unfairly (as you believe Anand did in this case), I believe there are better ways to tackle that IMHO. ...and thusfar, your suggestion has been along the lines of go solve this problem in private. I've been around the FOSS block far too long to know it does not work. Never has. So, I'm curious to know why you expect women in Foss to solve social problems in Foss communities in private? Unrelated to this thread, do you realise that it can easily become a he said-she said issue which does not help at all. Been there, done that; and blogged about it too: http://svaksha.com/category/WOMEN/SexismInSTEM I don't know what Anand's intentions were (and hence I reserve my opinion as mentioned in earlier mails), but your response (#epicfail) was pretty explicit. Vinayak, there you go, _yet_ again - you choose to reserve your opinions on his intent, but cannot stop harping or splitting hairs over my #EpicFail hashtag, or my first mail that lacked context, was pretty explicit (which contradicts your lacked context claim). Do you want me to explain more or do you not honestly see the different (read, unequal) standards here? A pertinent read on tone policing: http://geekfeminism.org/2013/09/05/tone-policing-a-tool-for-protecting-male-power/ Btw, Vinayak, you are not alone as Sriram also wrote to me offlist - he has said so on the list too, but forgot to mention the full contents, and I paraphrase - ... that I'm trying to publicly shame Anand Pillai, then questioned me about what I hope to achieve, and ofcourse the same old you should talk to him in private. Having heard all this in this thread, I didnt bother to reply. Since Vid has gone ahead and paraphrased on my behalf, though only part of the mails I'd sent to her: Here's what I wrote to Svaksha when I first saw the I love ladies.py on the github page. I hadn't thought about checking the init files: = begin quote === I don't know what exactly is offensive - seems like some lame non-constructive commit by him. Seems like trying to publicly shame Anand Pillai. What exactly do you want to achieve here ? It'd have been more constructive if you were to write to him and ask him to explain himself, and then provided feedback as well as something useful for him to do. === end quote === Having seen similar names like FactoryGirl, etc in the Ruby world, and even the phrases like Object Mother to refer to classes that supply objects, I though Anand was going to write some new library. Later, when I saw the quoting of the source code, I realized that I should have checked the python files themselves (after all, Anand is a Python programmer). I then wrote privately to her: === begin quote === Heh, after reading other mails on this thread, I realized that I had only seen the repo name and the readme message, and not the contents of the various _init_ files. Dunno what to make of his commits! -- Ram === end quote == I then wrote to the mailing list that I'd reserve judgement until he clarified what he intended to convey. So, I wasn't in any way trying to give the same old treatment that Svaksha has felt that I've given this topic. In fact, I'd rather talk to her about this since I have always supported her efforts to get more women to participate actively in IT, and I believe I have some sort of rapport to draw upon
Re: [BangPypers] Change in Mailing list settings
Thanks for your hard work, Anand. Most of us users are used to consuming services. There is a lot of work that happens in the background, and I want you to know that I appreciate the work that various moderators do. -- Ram On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 24 August 2013 09:21 AM, Sriram Narayanan wrote: I agree. There aren't all that many job postings, and even if the odd person hit a reply to all, we can just ignore it. What's more important is that responses to genuine questions reach the list instead of being missed out because of an inadvertent Reply. -- Ram Thanks for the feedback. It has been reset to Reply-to-list as before. - -- Regards, - --Anand - -- Software Architect/Consultant anandpil...@letterboxes.org Please note my updated email address anandpil...@letterboxes.org. Kindly update your address books. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSGGamAAoJEHKU2n17CpvDX9YH/0dSwhtYJpZbGa34Bajj7qwT jDGTYDAmiZGzc9b6PxyzzmYzxQPR7lX0sh3znWbcWhHn0CBxbSzAFpYmS0lfcz2a o7YGnXRtZGK0QrYX0G69Rj6gJ/sSEjoDnx+YLfNTgPNOAJdelfI/kjaOhDj13MlG 1vNP3iLQzOmwRsuKalR80sDnAQJCo8DezkNORnil59xg/jKAvX6QKP598goagxyX 7x5X2l0FO3ucVAjYiYPnYOF3OrhDesnvYl+mYsUV+jShtR8oQ4Jq/Zk55v/6RyzN IosfvCN1FduDLllM2CAfsf+b0q1QUsfh5TbdGuKx1jEU/3E1u1Cjn1+TB0nbkpg= =5Eao -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Belenix: www.belenix.org Twitter: @sriramnrn ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Change in Mailing list settings
I agree. There aren't all that many job postings, and even if the odd person hit a reply to all, we can just ignore it. What's more important is that responses to genuine questions reach the list instead of being missed out because of an inadvertent Reply. -- Ram On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:26 AM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.comwrote: Just curious to see how many prefer reply-to-list. Btw, when doing so, please make sure you are replying to the list right now. why tax a minion when trying to punish job poster . leave the reply to all as it is . -Satya Satyaakam.net http://satyaakam.net/ | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Belenix: www.belenix.org Twitter: @sriramnrn ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Silent installation of Active Directory server using Python
You would be better off configuring AD using power shell scripts. You could always trigger these using python, if you want. I don't know if func has been ported to Windows yet, but I've used chef on Windows, and I know that puppet works too. Ram On May 24, 2013 6:57 PM, Ashutosh Narayan aashutoshnara...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I have to do a silent installation of Active Directory (AD) on Windows. AFAIK Fabric is one such tool to do do. Say, dcpromo is a command to setup AD, it opens up a wizard and we fill details. Now how can I setup AD on Windows using Python scripts Can somebody throw some light on how can I start with ? Thank you, -- Ashutosh Narayan http://ashutoshn.wordpress.com/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] May Meetup
A colleague wants to help. I've sent to you an offline mail with his contact info. Sriram On May 16, 2013 1:11 PM, kracekumar ramaraju kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote: We have meet up saturday, still we don't have venue. CIS HasGeek Venue can't be used this week. Is there any one in the list can offer a place which offer 25 seater + projector ? On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:33 AM, kracekumar ramaraju kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote: All, *May Bangpypers Meetup:* *Talks:* - How to use Map/Reduce in Python, what map/reduce is not. - Anand Chitipothu (1 hour) *Lighting Talks:* Please come forward to give lighting talks(5min - 10min) about frameworks, library, small snippet, class vs function etc ... *DateTime*: 05/18/2013 3.00 PM to 6.00 PM *Place*: Yet to decided Please bring your laptops and netcards if you would like present lighting talks we are looking for *Venue* and talks. Please reply to the email. -- * Thanks Regards Talk is cheap, show me the code -- Linus Torvalds kracekumar www.kracekumar.com * -- * Thanks Regards Talk is cheap, show me the code -- Linus Torvalds kracekumar www.kracekumar.com * ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] A Comparison of Mocking Frameworks
Hi everyone: A colleague pointed me to this comparison of mocking frameworks: http://garybernhardt.github.io/python-mock-comparison/ -- Sriram Belenix: www.belenix.org Twitter: @sriramnrn ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [OT] Microsoft Office 365 for Education made mandatory for approved institutions by AICTE
The reason FOSCOMM was setup some years ago was because various such groups actually have some common interests. There are times when we need to get together to defend even other technologies and platforms. If we continue to declare Not here without constructively figuring out if the discussion can be carried out elsewhere, vested interests like MS will pick out areas one after the other, and there wouldn't be enough voices when it's a specific group's turn to face their brunt. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came I'd attended the initial FOSCOMM meet at CIS, but I think it died out after that. -- Ram On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Santosh Kumar san00...@gmail.com wrote: Also there is another vdry active community of linux users, Free Software Movement Karnataka(FSMK), www.fsmk.org On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Balachandran Sivakumar benignb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:20 PM, स्वक्ष svak...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar benignb...@gmail.com wrote: Try Bengaluru LUG → http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-bengaluru And/Or, Fosscomm.in's General Discussions on Campaigns and Tasks → http://lists.fosscom.in/listinfo.cgi/network-fosscom.in Thanks for the links. I will try Bengaluru LUG. I didn't even know that we have a LUG in Bangalore :( -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached. - Swami Vivekananda Mail: benignb...@gmail.com Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Belenix: www.belenix.org Twitter: @sriramnrn ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] Fwd: Python Software Foundation: Python Trademark at Risk
Fyi -- Forwarded message -- From: Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org Date: Feb 15, 2013 3:17 AM Subject: Python Software Foundation: Python Trademark at Risk To: debian-de...@lists.debian.org, debian-pyt...@lists.debian.org, debian-le...@lists.debian.org Dear All, Full article: http://pyfound.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html There is a company in the UK that is trying to trademark the use of the term Python for all software, services, servers... pretty much anything having to do with a computer. Specifically, it is the company that got a hold on the python.co.uk domain 13 years ago. According to our London counsel, some of the best pieces of evidence we can submit to the European trademark office are official letters from well-known companies using PYTHON branded software in various member states of the EU so that we can obtain independent witness statements from them attesting to the trade origin significance of the PYTHON mark in connection with the software and related goods/services. We also need evidence of use throughout the EU. Further instructions on how to submit letters of support are in the blog article linked above. Please help defend python trademark. Regards, Dmitrijs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANBHLUh5LzzB3=fYjWMbFmGSEw452zjV=xfp0oexuxzemfb...@mail.gmail.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Website change tracker
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:50 AM, vid v...@svaksha.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com wrote: If you need to check for the absence of certain content, then write tests using Sahi or Selenium, and run those at periodic intervals. Does Sahi have python bindings now? The last I checked was 2 years ago so it must have come a long way. Sorry, I was thinking about the requirement (check for website content change), and didn't consider a python-only solution. Regards, Vid ॥ http://svaksha.com ॥ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Belenix: www.belenix.org Twitter: @sriramnrn ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Website change tracker
If you need to check for the absence of certain content, then write tests using Sahi or Selenium, and run those at periodic intervals. Ram On Jun 8, 2012 11:21 PM, Bhavya bhavya.ma...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone:)...Much appreciated. I will work on it let the group know how it goes. Thanks, Bhavya On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:06 PM, vid v...@svaksha.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:09 PM, kracethekingmaker kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am newbie to Python coding. And, I had a question. I want to write a script which will check content changes in websites send e-mail to a admin whenever there are changes. How many times in a day or how often will this check be performed ? You must look into how to use md5, diff utilities, for web scraping scrapy library is advised. Ideally this script/program should be scalable for say about 1000 websites at a time.. 1000 sites at a time? Wow, that's huge. Scraping that many sites is resource intensive, would need a nice big stable server that can handle the huge data dumps. Fwiw, Scrapy will only dump the data in the json files so check out a little about the database you want to use, the frontend to serve it, a queueing system to scale 1000 sites, etc... Also, some sites instantly ban scrapers. Watch out for that, and goodluck :) -- Regards, Vid ॥ http://svaksha.com ॥ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Auto Login to Website and Capturing more details
Alternatively, try Sahi. (http://sahi.co.in). There's an open source version available for download and use. -- Ram On 12/27/11, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Nikunj Badjatya nikunjbadja...@gmail.com writes: [...] The link in the 'resp' is true to my knowledge. I checked it by logging in at diff times. Its coming the same every time and it is the link behind 'Account Information' which comes on the front page after logging in. When I open output.html, Its giving me the same login form i.e same looks as those of 'https://ebpp.airtelworld.com/pkmslogin.form' I tried with CookieJar() also. Same results. Can't say for sure. Are you getting back the session cookie? It might also make sense to try a more modern HTTP client library rather then stdlib. Krace's suggestion of requests is good as is Sageer's one of Mechanize. [...] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in Some bachelors want a meaningful overnight relationship. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device Belenix: www.belenix.org Twitter: @sriramnrn ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] How to create HTTPS Proxy server
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 1:04 PM, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote: # Map proxy URLs to backend server URL ProxyPass / https://192.168.1.1:800/ A correction - The port number in this example should be 8000 instead of 800. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ -- Sriram == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] An interesting post on the next web app language
http://seldo.com/weblog/2011/08/11/php_needs_to_die_what_will_replace_it -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] Test Driven Django Development
https://github.com/hjwp/Test-Driven-Django-Tutorial -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
+1. We can meet at one of the Thoughtworks offices, or anywhere else. -- Sriram On 9/26/11, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: So, now that PyCon is over, shall me make plans for this? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in I'll give you a definite maybe. -Samuel Goldwyn ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
I can talk about my experiences with porting it. -- Sriram On 9/26/11, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: kracekumar ramaraju kracethekingma...@gmail.com writes: [...] I don't have any experience, but willing to spend time. 1. First lets start playing with PyPy and spend quite significant time with it. 2. Then hands on we can try running small apps or snippets in PyPy. [...] I was thinking of something more concrete. If there's someone here willing to spend time in the coming (say) 2 weeks to dig into the overall design of PyPy and present it, we can get a start. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in Always be sincere, even when you don't mean it. -Irene Peter ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
Yes On 9/27/11, Saager Mhatre saager.mha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.comwrote: I can talk about my experiences with porting it. -- Sriram Porting it to... Belenix? - d ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] List guidelines
On 9/14/11, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Senthil Kumaran sent...@uthcode.com writes: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this is backward? No, definitely not. But you seem to be giving undue importance to this discussion by creating hypothetical scenarios. I think, we can tolerate some mistakes and just stay focused. Well, it did cause a long thread. I merely censured the OP for the inappropriate post. I gather that most of you agree that it was not suited for this list. So that's sorted. I have a different understanding. I really do feel that we need to sort out what we feel is acceptable by way of job postings. All these years I felt that we all had a similar understanding, but seeing the differences of opinion between Anand and yourself made me realize that we need to perhaps discuss and arrive at a formal understanding. The teasing issue, a few people teased the company a little. I don't think that was out of place. A little light hearted humour is, in my opnion, a good thing. Apparently, you and Sriram disagree and that's what spawned off this thread. Sorry, poking fun at a company's board of directors, etc, is in poor taste, and cannot be condoned off as light hearted humor. Poking fun at a company's practices, especially one which one may not yourself practice and therefore not be in a position to comment on, is also tells poorly poorly about that commentator. It has been only these two cases that I've raised concerns about. From what I can see so far, we've only been discussing what qualifies as a valid job posting on this thread. This is getting too long for for my tastes. If there is a formal statement on what's allowed on the list and what's not, I'll abide. I personally don't like a strictly enforced code that keeps everyone artificially super polite but like I said, I'll abide. Noufal, I didn't ask for any straight jacketcode, etc. Please do not paint basic politeness and courtesy as strictly enforced code. I find your own strong arguments against that job posting to be strict enforcement, and I can't help but think that even the merest hint of the word python would have changed how you look at job postings, even though this was one where there were very many technologies related to what a python app would use. My own inputs related to job postings: - Permit a variety of tech job postings from people who are regulars. - Permit job postings from recruiters only of these are related to python. If these are related to Python, but not Python specific jobs, allow them anway. - Let us acknowledge and accept that Recruiters are not going to understand a community's ethos (I understood this word better from the art of community online book). Some or most of us who have dealt with them know how they think. We can at best educate them, at worst ban their posts. - Job offers for .NET, Cobol, AIX, etc should obviously not be permitted merely because of a a token mention of the word python. My inputs at a larger level: - Clearly there are differences in understanding what politeness means. What may be light hearted fun for one, may not be so for the other. It is upon the recepient to decide if he does not like this so called fun, and others need to respect that. - Clearly, there are also differences in understanding on whether we should taunt corporates or not. Once again, anyone, especially a representative of an organization, has every right to step in with corrections. As I mentioned earlier on this response, I've myself stepped in twice so far. - We need to figure out where we stand with respect to corporates. If we feel that corporates by and large are the community's disinterests at heart, let us not approach them for help in cash or kind in the future. (This is what I'd meant by hypocrisy). -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in I distinctly remember forgetting that. -Clara Barton ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
All: Some weeks ago, there was some discussion of a meetup to figure out what we could do with pypy. Have any list members conducted any investigations on that ? I'm asking because I'm interested. I'd like to see how I can package pypy for Belenix someday, and I want to pair with various python programmers and understand how people think about a platform when considering it for use. -- Sriram == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] List guidelines
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Fair enough. I don't think we'll ever arrive at an agreement about politeness and decorum so I'll personally stick to the common denominator and stay formal. I'd say we should bring down this formal stuff a bit. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sriram == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] About being a community
All: I've started to read the book made available by Jono Bacon, the Ubuntu Community manager. The book is called The Art of Community Online, and is available here: www.artofcommunityonline.org I find this to be a good book. -- Sriram == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com writes: [...] Cut the heat. IMHO it was a problem with the wording of the posting by the OP. If he had been more diplomatic and sugar-coated his posting, most of you would have remained silent. Not me. I might have worded my response differently but unless he was looking for a Python programmer, I would have censured him. See this post on the bangalore-rug list. It mentions ruby only once and among many other skills. https://groups.google.com/group/bangalorerug/browse_thread/thread/30d3e3dc6cdd8974/ead6b725a2c8e55e?hl=enlnk=gstq=job#ead6b725a2c8e55e Nobody cribbed. It *does* atleast mention Ruby. The original email here conveyed the impression that the recruiter was using this list as a hiring resource and nothing more. Y! is not a Python startup, it's not really using Python (atleast the job posting didn't indicate it). I don't think the mail qualifies for the list but that's just my opinion. I feel that poking fun at any company's business is in extremely disgusting taste. This was done once about Thoughtworks (the company I work with) on this very mailing list. I didn't see any apology then by the person who did that, nor do I see any apology here by the person poking fun at Yahoo on this list. Since then, I'm convinced that by and large, we all need to understand better how to make bangpypers a safer place for discussions. -- Sriram == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com writes: [...] I feel that poking fun at any company's business is in extremely disgusting taste. This was done once about Thoughtworks (the company I work with) on this very mailing list. Agreed but that is a separate issue. I see Yahoo being made fun of, and I don't see that being addressed. As long as we encourage or worse, remain silent about corporates being made fun of, we're going to remain a community of hypocrites. Worse, we risk the brand image of Python itself (Note that this mailing list is hosted at python.org), claims to represent Python, and that this community is part of the overall Python community in India and across the globe. However, that doesn't address the issue of a recruitment person from a company using the list merely as a hiring resource for a non python job. We have to then solve a problem to having a common understanding of what's fine and what's not. It appears to me that Anand Pillai was fine with such a post, and you're not, and there's some clarity needed on what's acceptable and what's not, and the rationale for what ever consensus we arrive at. -- ~noufal -- Sriram == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] remote ip change
If you _want_ to involve python, then take a look at func. With Func, changing the machine IP is just one of the many sysadmin tasks you'll be able to perform. -- Ram On 6/22/11, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Nitin Kumar nitin.n...@gmail.com writes: Hi All, I want to change the IP of remote server. I can do it manually using control panel. But i need to do that in a script. So is there any simple API in python which can be used for the same? You should be able to ssh into the machine and use ifconfig to change it. I don't know how that will crap your existing connection so it might be a good idea to simply run it as a shell pipeline. Why involve Python for this at all? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in No one goes to that restaurant anymore-it's always too crowded. (attributed to Yogi Berra) ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] remote ip change
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com writes: If you _want_ to involve python, then take a look at func. With Func, changing the machine IP is just one of the many sysadmin tasks you'll be able to perform. Do you have a URL Sriram? It sounds useful. https://fedorahosted.org/func/ -- Sriram == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] remote ip change
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Baishampayan Ghose b.gh...@gmail.com wrote: If you _want_ to involve python, then take a look at func. With Func, changing the machine IP is just one of the many sysadmin tasks you'll be able to perform. Do you have a URL Sriram? It sounds useful. https://fedorahosted.org/func/ Seems to be similar to Fabric [http://fabfile.org] but limited to administering Fedora machines. Nothing Fedoraspecific apart form being hosted at a fedorahosted. There are people using this on other platforms too. There are other more popular tools which do similar stuff, though. Some of these are Puppet and Chef (incidentally, both are written in Ruby). Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] python SVN delete functionality
There's also the python API to SVN which let's you d a lot of stuff. -- Sriram On 6/22/11, Shashidhar P shashidha...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Python developers I want to achieve svn delete functionality using python v2.3.5 I have repository and working copy I do checkin and checkout If end user deletes some files from working copy MANUALLY not using SVN delete, I need to comapare working copy and repository before checkin and make sure that files which are deleted manually from working copy should be deleted from the repository. please help me with code snippet if possible. What is best lists comparing method to get items not present in working copy, present in repository. Thanking you in advance. - Regards, Shashidhar N.Paragonda shashidha...@gmail.com +919449073835 ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] WSGI app instrumentation - middleware or other
I recommend using DTrace. There was a video hosted on YouTube last night on using DTrace to understand MySQL performance. I have retweeted about it (@sriramnrn) today morning. If you use DTrace, you can understand latencies at various sections of the system. -- Sriram On 6/8/11, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.net wrote: On 08-Jun-11, at 11:38 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: [snip] Graphite + statsd/pystatsd is pretty good for performance tracking. Thanks, I hadn't heard of Graphite before, I've been struggling with Cacti. I'll give this a try. We use nagios for availability monitoring. There are many alternatives, try asking google. I've been using icinga and cacti - my interest is in the python side of things. You've given me a lot of good pointers, thanks again. http://www.google.co.in/search?q=nagios+alternatives Very funny! -Taj. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] WSGI app instrumentation - middleware or other
Solaris, opensolaris, openindiana, freebsd, OSX. Also see crispeditor for dtrace on linux. -- Sriram On 6/8/11, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com writes: I recommend using DTrace. There was a video hosted on YouTube last night on using DTrace to understand MySQL performance. I have retweeted about it (@sriramnrn) today morning. If you use DTrace, you can understand latencies at various sections of the system. Isn't that Solaris only? [...] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in Goes (Went) over like a lead balloon. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] WSGI app instrumentation - middleware or other
I'll show a demo someday. It can work at various levels. Anyway, let the ideas continue to pour in. -- Ram On 6/8/11, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/8 Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com: Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com writes: Solaris, opensolaris, openindiana, freebsd, OSX. Also see crispeditor for dtrace on linux. [...] Interesting. I think it should be possible (and would be useful) to drop statistics obtained using dtrace into graphite (along with other things that dtrace can't do) so that you can a single uniform picture of what's going on. I think it is too low-level tool to use for performance monitoring. It might be good for some detailed introspection or troubleshooting. I think the python profiler gives quite good information about where the time is spent. I use a special query parameter to dump the profiling information of handling a single request using hotshot profiler. http://openlibrary.org/lists?_profile=true (scroll to the bottom to see the output of the profiler). Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] User group meeting
Hey, where are we all meeting ? The Thoughtworks offices are available. -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mac IP
If it's machine setup, then please use either puppet or chef or func. You'll get a lot by way of features. -- Ram On 4/15/11, Nitin Kumar nitin.n...@gmail.com wrote: the reason for the same is: We got to machine setup, one is US and one in India, according to machine location we need to use local server. So I was looking for IP which help me differentiate the position of client Machine to use that to chose server. thanks Nitin K On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Santosh Rajan santra...@gmail.com wrote: I think the solution below will give you all the ip addresses including 127.0.0.1. In any case this is not an easy one to solve. Depends on a lot of factors. You might want to revisit your original question on why you want the ip address? and which ip address (local or inet)?, and investigate wether you really need the ip address to solve the problem? On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Sudharshan Gupta sudharshan.gu...@in.fiorano.com wrote: Hi nitin, I think this works import socket socket.gethostbyname(socket.gethostname()) socket.gethostbyname_ex(socket.gethostname()) Nitin Kumar wrote: Hi All, Is anyone aware how to fetch mac machine IP using python? -- Thanks Regards Sudharshan ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- http://about.me/santosh.rajan “The *young man* knows the rules but the *old man* knows the exceptions”. *Oliver Wendell Holmes* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Nitin K ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] getpython.net Sprint (was Re: User group meeting)
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Baiju M baiju.m.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Our mini sprint on getpython.net was moderately successful. Thanks to all those who participated. At 10 am there was no one in the room except me. Then I called some of my colleagues to help on the work. Rajesh, Srinivasu Vijetha came to office. Hareesh helped me with some SQL queries online. Then Vijay replied to SQLAlchemy related questions I posted to list. Later Kunal joined in IRC and created a helper script to submit feedback. Afternoon Noufal also joined us online and implemented Gravatar. Thanks to all ! I am getting confident that we can have more sprints in future with wider scope. Let's start new threads for the upcoming sprints! The site is ready now: http://getpython3.net/ Looking forward to your feedback. Still there are few more things to be done. If you are interested, fork the project and make the modifications! https://github.com/baijum/getpython3 This is a very interesting project :) Could you please add the github URL to the getpython3.net website ? Regards, Baiju M ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] getpython.net Sprint (was Re: User group meeting)
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Baiju M baiju.m.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Baiju M baiju.m.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Our mini sprint on getpython.net was moderately successful. Thanks to all those who participated. At 10 am there was no one in the room except me. Then I called some of my colleagues to help on the work. Rajesh, Srinivasu Vijetha came to office. Hareesh helped me with some SQL queries online. Then Vijay replied to SQLAlchemy related questions I posted to list. Later Kunal joined in IRC and created a helper script to submit feedback. Afternoon Noufal also joined us online and implemented Gravatar. Thanks to all ! I am getting confident that we can have more sprints in future with wider scope. Let's start new threads for the upcoming sprints! The site is ready now: http://getpython3.net/ Looking forward to your feedback. Still there are few more things to be done. If you are interested, fork the project and make the modifications! https://github.com/baijum/getpython3 This is a very interesting project :) Could you please add the github URL to the getpython3.net website ? It's there at bottom. Last link :) Indeed ! :) Now the 13k distro data is getting loaded (it will take few more minutes, I guess). But this page is very slow already with real data :( http://getpython3.net/package Perhaps that explains why a friend reported a 500 to me for http://getpython3.net/package/bottle Regards, Baiju M ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] refactoring
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:39 PM, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote: I had sent this reply below earlier ...not sure why it didn't go thru' ...anyways, enough has already been said about this, however, since I already wrote this reply below, I thought I might as well make my point ... Hi Santosh, On 12/04/2010 05:36 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: My 2 cents on this subject. I think the problem of differing viewpoints is mainly due to the fact that there are two kinds of software development. 1) Software product development 2) Bespoke software development. Let us look at software product development, and let us look at all the top open source software development projects like linux, apache, mozilla etc etc. I have not seen refactoring as described by the book used by any of the open source software products. I would like to know if any one can show me refactoring used in software product development. The very nature of Open Source Software development model is refactoring ! It isn't called that but that's what it is. Try to describe the process of FOSS development and then the way code is affected by refactoring and you would see the similarities. The only difference is in FOSS projects this is done by separate individuals in an unplanned manner -- the net effect from the /code's/ perspective though is that is being refactored. I'd go as far as saying that patches which refactor existing code in mature FOSS products are as at least the same in number as those that introduce new features. My thoughts (not for or against, but just to add to this thread): - the license of the code doesn't really matter. There are lots of software that we've contributed to as well as developed at Thoughtworks, and we give the same level of attention (including refactoring, testing, CI, etc) regardless of the license. This is true of other companies, and individuals as well. - refactoring need not become a bad word just because some book documents various known refactoring techniques. Martin Fowler is a very, very humble person. I spent the past three days with him hearing him talk to various Thoughtworkers in Bangalore, and he's very honest about giving credit where it's due. If you read his Refactoring book, he's very clear there that these are various techniques that he's observed everyone around him use, and he's simply explained a number of them in very layman terms so that all can understand these together. Let's the case of something like Extract Method. It's very likely that over a period of time, a developer would notice that a method could be spilt up into smaller logical private methods so that the intent is clear to the reader as well as more maintainable. This technique may be given the name Extract Method. And this technique has been applied by all programmers in so many languages. Applying a refactoring does not make us any less a programmer, and this activity need not become an insult. Reading a book that documents various such techniques could be considered a nice refresher even. Speaking about myself, I wouldn't stay away from a book just because someone declared that if one has self-respect, one would read that book. Such a statement need not be an insult. Finally, the loss (in terms of missed opportunity) would be one's own. Refactoring could be applied to any language, regardless of whether it's Object Oriented or not. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] refactoring
I sure hope that we don't dismiss the reading of such books just because every experienced programmer knows about refactoring. -- Sriram On 12/6/10, Siddharta G siddharta.li...@gmail.com wrote: Nice quote. You hit the main point: Refactoring has always been done. Everyone does it. The book just gives a taxonomy to common refactorings. For what its worth, I think a taxonomy is very important. It is so much easier to communicate a design by saying this is a factory, that object is an observer to the model and so on. The same way its convenient to say first extract method, then pull up method and everyone understands what you are talking about. But whether you know the names or not, it is important to know how to go from design A to design B in small steps, without breaking the application in between. A typical refactoring step takes less than an hour (some can be as low as a few minutes). You can do a refactoring, commit, do a refactoring, commit and the application is always deployable. -- Siddharta ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] refactoring
It's rather disappointing when I see a nice discussion thread degenerate into taking potshots at others - especially by posts by people who otherwise contribute in very constructive ways. I'm a Thoughtworker, proud of what and how we do (including promoting better software development practices). -- Ram On 12/3/10, Senthil Kumaran orsent...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 12:41:37PM +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: 'No self respecting developer could function without having read the refactoring book'. I just realized that I am not a self-respecting developer after reading this. Wow!. You stole my sentence. Double crime on you. -- Senthil ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device == Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] About Thoughtworks as a venue
Folks: I've been meaning to send this mail for a while. A number of teams at Thoughtworks were recently caught off-guard when there was a last minute office wide maintenance (pest control) scheduled at both our offices. This caused a venue problem for a number of user groups. Otherwise, the Thoughtworks offices are usually available gor user group meetings on weekend (and some weekdays too). I've been relatively busy with lots of things happening within Thoughtworks, as well as with researching some new technologies that we're about to roll out. I don't check my personal mail very often. Diptanu on this mailing list too is a Thoughtworker, and in case I don't respond on time about venue availability, he will. In case you don't get a timely response from either of us, please simply call me on my cell. Noufal, Svaksha and some others on this list know how to reach me. -- Ram -- Sent from my mobile device Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend
Yes, sorry about the really short notice. I had to cancel the Java and the Andriod user group meets at TW for the same reason :( We got the pest control work notice at the really last minute ! :( -- Ram On 4/25/10, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit ard...@gmail.com wrote: Its 11:30 and not even one other guy is interested. Thus, I have informed Kamal that we are not meeting at his office today. See you all at the next meetup. A pity. The venue change was short notice though. We'll have the next one along with Dabeaz early next month. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend
Sorry, there are the very same pest control activities at Thoughtworks' Koramangala office as well ! -- Ram On 4/23/10, Diptanu Choudhury admin.nitj...@gmail.com wrote: Thoughtworks has an office in Koramangala as well, but the servers would be down during the weekend, so there won't be any internet connectivity. If you think there won't be any problem to conduct the user group meeting without the internet, I can search for a room there. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:27 PM, kunal ghosh kunal...@gmail.com wrote: +0 :( its pretty far off from my place too. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not totally sure if I can make it to JP Nagar by 1500 on Sunday so it'll have to be a +0 from me. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM, anubha sethi sethi.anu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit ard...@gmail.com wrote: Sriram just called me and informed about some pest control activities that would be going on in ThoughtWorks this weekend. That means we cannot have the meetup at ThoughtWorks. Anyone suggest an alternative venue please. We can have it at Sigma Infosolutions this time, if it is convenient with everyone. Let me know what all things we would have to arrange. Address - Sigma Infosolutions Ltd, Sigma Towers, #66/A, 13th Cross,6th Main, JP Nagar, 3rd Phase, Bangalore- 560078 LandMark - S hotel, very close to Shopper's Stop at Bannerghatta Road --Arvind ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Anubha Dadhich ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- regards --- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India Quote: Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is -- If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later too ! - Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Thanks, Diptanu Choudhury Just a Coder, ThoughtWorks India Mobile - 09886760964 Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
Could we meet when you folks are back? I'd like to present on Cintinuous Integration and on What are Unit Tests with a focus on experienced developers. -- Sriram On 2/23/10, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit ard...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: If that's fine, we can do 2 meetings in March (one which is the postponed Feb meeting) and the other the actual March talk. Yeah, I am fine with two meetings in March. +1 I also will be available next weekend, but I would prefer Sunday (March 7). Fine by me. Any other suggestions? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] January user group meeting
Ok, can we make this Jan 232 Saturday if we're ok with meeting at Thoughtworks ? I want to go for a movie on Sunday ! :) -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] December user group meeting
Since we have a few +1s, I've a proposal: From a code together perspective, How about developing a ZFS management application ? I can be the resident sysadmin/ZFS-guru, and we can develop something together. -- Sriram On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Srinivasachari srinivasachari2...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Regards, Srinivasachari. Sent from Bangalore, KA, India 2009/12/14 Arvind Jamuna Dixit ard...@gmail.com +1 for meetup on 20th 2009/12/14 Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com +1 for 20th meeting -- Baiju M ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Regards, Arvind ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] [Reminder] BangPypers monthly meetup on Sun November 22 4 pm at Thoughtworks on LLVM-py
A reminder/confirmation - I just called Mahadevan and confirmed the following with him. -- Sriram -- Forwarded message -- From: Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup. To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India bangpypers@python.org So I guess it's settled then. Time : 4:00 pm Date : 22 Nov 2009 Venue : Thought Works, Diamond District. Highlights : Mahadevan's talk on python bindings for llvm Is this okay? P.S. If any of the people attending have the conference recordings, please bring them. Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Shall we fix this for 22nd then? Is TW the venue? What time? Seems OK to me. Let's have Mahadevan decide on the time. -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] python zlib problem
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Amit Sethi amit.pureene...@gmail.com wrote: Hi , For some unknown reason , a bug or a screw up I did myself their is no python-zlib which is supposed to be in standard library(python2.6 on ubuntu jaunty).What is the best way to install this in a non-obtrusive way .Its a very important as many packages refer to this and also python-setuptools. apt-get repair may help you. -- A-M-I-T S|S ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] About llvm and llvm-py
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Ramdas S ram...@gmail.com wrote: Sriram, Can you send the right link for llvm-py http://code.google.com/p/llvm-py/ -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] Let's have an indepth session on some opensolaris technologies
[BCC: Various Bangalore tech lists that I'm a member of] Folks: A number of us have heard of opensolaris and of technologies such as ZFS, Dtrace, Zones, etc. After giving small intro sessions on ZFS and on Zones, I've been approached by various attendees who have wanted an indepth intro to opensolaris technologies. The survey below will help us decide on the date/time/venue/topics of this session. http://tinyurl.com/blr2009opensolaris -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Ramdas S ram...@gmail.com wrote:[..] What abt LiveCDs?[..] Even a CD image which we can copy over would be cool. I'll have some CDs and Virtual Box images around. In case anyone wants to have Belenix installed onto their laptop, let me know. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com wrote: We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem. One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community. Does it use python the way Pardus uses it ? Like the init system, service manager, package manager, etc. Err.. No. Belenix is a distro that is based on the opensolaris ON (operating system + network), uses KDE, aims to be an appealing desktop to the user and to the developer, and has been the basis of Sun;s OpenSolaris distro. We're working toward using a free toolchain, and apart from the kernel and Firefox, everything else on Belenix has been built using GCC 4.4.1. Since we're a KDE based distro, we're users of the QT framework. At the moment, KDE on Belenix is not Solaris - aware. That is, KDE components do not have Solaris specific functionality such as management of file systems, UI for the seriously amazing networking stack, support for Zones and RBAC, etc. From a service side, there is a lack of web based management /REST interfaces to administering the system. Interesting and useful tasks would be to create management interfaces for file systems, network stacks, observability, and similar tools that would make the life of sysadmins easier. These are projects that we as BangPypers can undertake, and learn a lot in the process. Blah blah blah ... yes I know its Solaris etc. My response was to the larger community, and not to just you :) Question is, are there are specific Belenix components written in Python, as in Pardus Linux which uses Python extensively ? Or was that a call to developers to create new tools using python ? There is our stop gap package manager which we wrote since we needed to move away from something called pkg-get. We're now considering using rpm5 as our package format, with the smart package manager being the package manager of choice. When we'd last met at Thoughtworks last weekend, I'd mentioned that the Belenix project would Regards Rajeev J Sebastian PS: You wrote above re the management tools; Pardus has a tool thats being developed and used at Turkey's Ministry of Defence to administrate Pardus desktops, servers and networks (its called Ahenk, developed in Python and available in the pardus svn). After I responded to you previously, I've been reading more about Pardus. At present, Belenix uses what Solaris has for service management - SMF. Apart from the temporary package manager that I wrote about, we've not written anything else using Python for Belenix. We're either busy with work, or with porting and testing software packages to Belenix. The lead Belenix developer has been working on porting something called Func to Belenix (https://fedorahosted.org/func/). I myself use puppet (ruby based) at work. I will read more on Ahenk tonight. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote: My response was to the larger community, and not to just you :) That's probably why you started your response with an Err ... No right ? Rajeev, My Err..no was to you, and the remainder of my explanation was to all on the list (including you). Please let me know if you expected some other form of response so that I can avoid mis communication and confusion in future. When we'd last met at Thoughtworks last weekend, I'd mentioned that the Belenix project would Would what ? Sorry, I seem to have hit Send too early. I'd mentioned that the Belenix project would be of interest to programmers who use Python, both as a development platform, as well as an open source project to which we could all contribute to. After I responded to you previously, I've been reading more about Pardus. At present, Belenix uses what Solaris has for service management - SMF. Apart from the temporary package manager that I wrote about, we've not written anything else using Python for Belenix. We're either busy with work, or with porting and testing software packages to Belenix. So basically, you made a call for *developers* for Belenix (as opposed to *Python developers*). I was trying to clarify that point. My messaging is about an opportunity for Python programmers who'd like to write apps for a new (to some of us) platform. Python based code that would be written for KDE would be usable on KDE on Solaris and not just on Belenix. Some such apps could be - adding ZFS awareness to Konqueror, or a pyQT based app that would be better than TimeMachine, or ensuring that kpackage and the smart package manager both work correctly on the opensolaris platform. Developing for Belenix in specific would involve activities such as: - ensuring that rpm5 runs on Belenix - cleaning up and refactoring spec files to be smaller and to have the right version numbering. I look forward to meeting you. Regards Rajeev J Sebastian ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote: I'll have some CDs and Virtual Box images around. In case anyone wants to have Belenix installed onto their laptop, let me know. I would like to have a VBox image. Is it downloadable from somewhere, or can you make it so ? We presently have an ISO image for our build released last year, and a network based installer that installed Belenix into any opensolaris based distro. We've not yet begun work on creating an ISO image for our latest KDE 4.3.1 based work. We have VirtualBox images on our computers and we're still testing these. I'll try to have these uploaded to our website so that all can download and try out the latest Belenix. Regards Rajeev J Sebastian ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, all that text and In short, your expectation is that we can get together and write some code in PyQt which can be used for Belenix apps as welll as (possibly) ported to KDE on Solaris. Fine. Simple thoughts written in a long winded fashion. I just thought I'd give some context on Belenix and what we're doing, that's all. As a group, we can have something to look forward to, and an Indian distribution to which we all contribute to is one such thing. Btw, I thought Konqueror was ZFS aware, so my question is it it possible to do this entirely using a PyQT based layer which understands both ZFS and can talk to the KDE/Kparts layer ? Konqueror is not ZFS aware at the moment. We could make it ZFS aware by enabling actions such as providing a Create File system via a context menu, for e.g. -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai Btw, I thought Konqueror was ZFS aware, so my question is it it possible to do this entirely using a PyQT based layer which understands both ZFS and can talk to the KDE/Kparts layer ? There are some scattered efforts around the world to write python bindings for ZFS. I'm trying to find out the status of these various efforts. From the limited code reading I've done so far, I think it may be possible to have a library that PyKDE and PyQT apps could call. Konqueror is not ZFS aware at the moment. We could make it ZFS aware by enabling actions such as providing a Create File system via a context menu, for e.g. -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote: As a group, we can have something to look forward to, and an Indian distribution to which we all contribute to is one such thing. Do you mean an Indian Solaris distro ? (If you don't already know, there are several indian linux distros). I'm only aware that there are several of us in India who've put together distros, but I've not used any of them yet. Belenix is based on the opensolaris kernel + network stack. Solaris 10 has an internal source tree which takes in the stable code from the opensolaris trunk. Regards Rajeev J Sebastian -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
On 10/16/09, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Vishal vsapr...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Thanks. Since this counts to around 6 people, let us have the meeting. Hopefully more people will join in on the day. I will send another email to confirm this. We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem. -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com wrote: We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem. One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community. I'd like to showcase some of Belenix - especially the ZFS file system, and we could all discuss some of the tools that are needed for such a platform (like storage management software, network administration tools, etc). -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
Sure, come over. Noufal, I've replied to your private mail. -- Ram On 10/9/09, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Will some of the TW guys be around to chaperon the meeting? Sidu? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sent from my mobile device ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] How to send 1 GB Zip file to some remote machine using HTTP/HTTPS?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:24 PM, deepak gupta dg288_m...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Yes it is return in python.[..] I expect it will be slow then. If you can install an rsync server on the remote end, it would be nice. Then you can just rsync the files over. +1. It's worth having rsync. Here's what you'd do the first time: rsync -W -t --progress --partial datafile.zip u...@server:/export/home/user/data/datafile.zip What that does is: -W - Just transfer, don't check for any existing file on the receiving side -t- Use timestamps to compare and decide whether the file has even changed or not. --progress - Display progress --partial - Keep partially transferred files. The next time you want to transfer the same file, or in case you need to resume the transfer: rsync -t --progress --partial datafile.zip u...@server:/export/home/user/data/datafile.zip Simply remove the -W command line argument. If you can't do that, one option is to split your compressed file into pieces and transfer them over one by one and assemble them on the remote end. In such a case, remember to generate md5sums of the split parts, and then verify the checksums on the server side. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Good Python training in blr
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Ramdas Sram...@developeriq.com wrote: IMHO, even an experienced hand in C/C++ or Java need not take to Python easily, because of the baggage they carry, and they expect certain things to work the way their favorite language works. This can be quite frustrating if learning Python is for a project they need to start next Monday. This is where a trainer can help, because the trainer can guide and point out potential pitfalls, and get a developer through the basics in a jiffy. This baggage is indeed an issue. Thinking in terms of a new language would require reading a lot of code written using that language, and then too, one cannot be certain. To give you my own example, I learned my Object Oriented Programming from really senior Smalltalkers, and I developed and sold components based on excellent IBM business object frameworks. After I joined Thoughtworks, I was exposed to a different world where dependency injection was proposed as an alternative to getters and setters (accessors, as some of us may call them), where the line between do the simplest thing possible and do what ever is necessary to complete just _your_ work for the day can be a fine line, and where the same Java language that I had used for six years, was now being used in a different way. I had a lot of excess luggage, some of which I still lug around with me - and all this was on the same language that I had been using. When you move to a different language, there would have to be paradigm shifts, new ways of thinking, and even pitfalls that one may not recognize to be a pitfall. In such cases, I feel that it can help if one has something like Python for Java programmers - either as a book, as a series of sample code and or web page articles, or even a training session. -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] How to create Debug and Release code in Python
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Jeff Rushj...@taupro.com wrote: I've given this more thought. In the April 2009 issue of Python Magazine is a wonderful article by Paul McGuire on writing Domain Specific Languages. It shows how to intercept the import of specific types of files to preprocess the source before compiling it into bytecode. I played with those ideas to see what could be done for your case. This was informative. Thank you ! -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Responding to people who lack the curiosity
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Kiran Jonnalagaddaj...@pobox.com wrote: 2009/6/12 Srijayanth Sridhar srijaya...@gmail.com: I don't doubt that its a global phenomenon, however, I am still curious about the reasons for its prevalence out here. I will add my little theory to this discussion. If you are from a middle class background with no appetite for entrepreneurial risk, but want a better life than your parents did, there are few professional career options. Doctor? Architect? Lawyer? They require dedicating a serious chunk of your life and are one-way streets. But programmer... excuse me, software developer? By gosh, a big company will make a software developer out of anyone in just three months, plus you get to go abroad and settle down. If it doesn't work, no big deal. You didn't invest five years and half your parents' savings to realise that. +1 to your theory. Around 1997, I used to work as a lab assistant at Aptech (A computer education chain.) in Mumbai. I've seen parents visit the Aptech centre with their supposedly good for nothing sons, learn about the course options, get swayed by the glorious future that the career counsellors promise them, and then say to their sons, Since you don't seem to be good at anything else, at least do a computer course. -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Responding to people who lack the curiosity
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Sridhar Ratnakumarsridhar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Now do you think a person who is lazy to type a few characters in an Internet search engine (as evidenced by Is there any tutorial. Should we include any library?) would be interested at all in reading a 60,000 words document? I've concluded that a vast number of our developers are actually incompetent, and also clueless on how to self-study and to conduct a search. Perhaps our education system has conditioned their minds to mug up and to read various study guides, and they are unaware that in the real world, self help is necessary. Having said that, I have felt it useful to reply to such posts with a google search url, than to merely ask them to buzz off. I've observed that with such replies, free loaders understand that they will get responses, but not free lunches. -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] What's the exact plan tomorrow?
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Parthan SR parth.technofr...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, they are also meeting at Thought Works today at 4.30 PM. They fixed their meeting a day after we fixed ours (or rather moved our meet to TW from ZeOmega) )and I indeed tell them when they were trying to fix it up. Both the meets will happen at the same venue (TW) but at different halls/rooms (they are getting a bigger room this time). We often do have multiple user group meetings at the same times and in different rooms. Sidu and I will be around to chaperone the Python and the Linux User Group meets respectively. I realize that overlaps should be ideally avoided, and am going to propose that the LUG meets happen at a different time at TW (perhaps at 2 pm). -- Sriram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] python
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Saturday 10 Jan 2009 12:50:43 am Sreekanth B wrote: what u said may not be really true there are thousands out there in France and Germany who cannot even write a sentence in English;-) but if they did, they would spell 'you' as 'you' and not as 'u' My +1 to SMS lingo not really being cool when it comes to communication. Sreekanth, you may not know this, but though it's accepted culture to use plz and u and thx in certain communities (e.g. amongst friends), a lot of customers world wide as well as tech folks do not really use such language. Even if you do use shortened words, it's not considered exciting or cool or acceptable. Just imagine the following scenario : You write an informative mail to your customer, and that person now needs to forward this mail to some other people. These people would be his colleagues, other vendors, or even his own customers. Given that SMS lingo is not actually accepted worldwide and often considered unprofessional, your customer would be hesitant to forward your email. This is because he would be aware that other people's attention would be drawn to your SMS-style shortened words, and you'd be considered unprofessional. Further, this will also reflect on your customer. This is because others will now wonder about how professional he is if he's dealing with a person who cannot even write a proper email. Note: proper here is what they consider proper. I'm writing the above based on my own observations at work. I also closely interact with the trainers at our company who receive inputs from global management on what practices to inform our people about. Your being non-english medium educated has no bearing on your using shortened words. Lots of English-medium educated people us such words too. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
