[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-02 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Well, it was the siubject of a further exchange of mails. The subject title was amended to: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]. Have you anything constructive to add to the exchange? Martyn --- On Thu,

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392

2011-12-02 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
I forgot to mention that the lute music of John Wilson, a sort of well-tempered lute neck cycle passing through very unusual tonalities for the instrument, is available in facsimile in English Song, 1600 - 1675, Facsimile of Twenty-six Manuscripts and an Edition of the Texts vol. 7, Manuscripts

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Howard, think a little - transposition is precluded by temperament. I'll let David know. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-02 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Howard, You seem not to have read the mailings (yet again) and have therefore missed the entire point. As David Hill points out (have you bothered to read his paper?) the voice generally expected when the songs were composed was soprano/tenor. As he says, the male alto, to take

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: As David Hill points out (have you bothered to read his paper?) the voice generally expected when the songs were composed was soprano/tenor. As he says, the male alto, to take David Van Oijan's personal preference, was certainly

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: I see several fundamental flaws in your conclusion. First, male altos' range considerations are no different from those of female altos or baritones or basses. So male altos are relevant to the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Nancy Carlin
A while back on the lute list there was a link to Hector Sequera's dissertation about Paston - very interesting. It's 100 years earlier, but goes into a lot of detail about the various keys in the Paston manuscripts and the sizes of lutes that would have been available to Paston.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: A while back on the lute list there was a link to Hector Sequera's dissertation about Paston - very interesting. It's 100 years earlier, Actually, Paston, being Elizabethan, is the period we're talking about. You were led astray by my

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
And speaking of such truly accomplished singers as Karamazov: He tends to have 4-6 archlutes on hand, for various minute instant adjustments of performance. RT - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net To: Baroque lute Dmth baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; lute

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread wikla
Does he really also sing?! Arto On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:19:05 -0500, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: And speaking of such truly accomplished singers as Karamazov: He tends to have 4-6 archlutes on hand, for various minute instant adjustments of performance. RT -

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
meant PLAYERS, his singing is only for the inner sanctum. RT - Original Message - From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: Baroque lute Dmth baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:28

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: The idea of instant transposition on an instrument PRECLUDES meantone temperaments, for starters. It would only possible in EqualT. in a hypothetical situation that a given transposition causes no hideously hard fingerings. Say, your singer

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-02 Thread A. J. Ness
It's not difficult to play from lute tablature at a keyboard. I have played at sight from Italian tablature at a keyboard without ever having practicing the technique. I've never tried German, but it would be even easier because there is one distinct note for each tablature cipher. I'm

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392

2011-12-02 Thread A. J. Ness
Dear Jean-Marie, There is also a facsimile and transcription of the John Wilson preludes edited by Matthew Spring (Utrecht: Diapason Press, 1992). It is, alas, quite flawed. The tablature facsimiles are so small you'd need a magnifying glass to read them if you held them ten inches from the