[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-03 Thread Martyn Hodgson
, festivals, conferences, workshops and lectures... Martyn --- On Fri, 2/12/11, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
list l...@cs.dartmouth.edu; howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:57 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight Thank you for this Howard and for your time. My starting point in any discussion

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-03 Thread howard posner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:57 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Thank you for this Howard and for your time. And thank you for restating what you'd already written. Since I've already responded to it, I'll spare the list further comment. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-02 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Howard, You seem not to have read the mailings (yet again) and have therefore missed the entire point. As David Hill points out (have you bothered to read his paper?) the voice generally expected when the songs were composed was soprano/tenor. As he says, the male alto, to take

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: As David Hill points out (have you bothered to read his paper?) the voice generally expected when the songs were composed was soprano/tenor. As he says, the male alto, to take David Van Oijan's personal preference, was certainly

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: I see several fundamental flaws in your conclusion. First, male altos' range considerations are no different from those of female altos or baritones or basses. So male altos are relevant to the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Nancy Carlin
A while back on the lute list there was a link to Hector Sequera's dissertation about Paston - very interesting. It's 100 years earlier, but goes into a lot of detail about the various keys in the Paston manuscripts and the sizes of lutes that would have been available to Paston.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: A while back on the lute list there was a link to Hector Sequera's dissertation about Paston - very interesting. It's 100 years earlier, Actually, Paston, being Elizabethan, is the period we're talking about. You were led astray by my

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
mailing list list l...@cs.dartmouth.edu; howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight The most-accomplished players are usually the ones own several variously pitched

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread wikla
- Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net To: Baroque lute Dmth baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; lute mailing list list l...@cs.dartmouth.edu; howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight Does he really also sing?! Arto On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:19:05 -0500, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: And speaking of such truly accomplished singers as Karamazov: He tends to have 4-6

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-01 Thread William Samson
I'm afraid I'm going to mention the dreaded 'e' word again: what evidence have you that the male alto ('countertenor') voice was used historically to perform lute songs? Aw come on Martyn! You'll be telling us next that lute players didn't wear jester outfits or sing 'Hey