[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-03 Thread Mathias Rösel
I suppose it is worth mentioning in this context that Cabezon and Henestrosa's keyboard music was for tecla, harpa y vihuela, so keyboard players, harpists and vihuela players were all expected to play from the same notation, which is a form of tablature. Hate to object, but organ tablature

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-02 Thread Martyn Hodgson
/11, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392] To: Baroque lute Dmth baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, 1 December, 2011, 21:14 On Dec 1

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Howard, think a little - transposition is precluded by temperament. I'll let David know. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: The idea of instant transposition on an instrument PRECLUDES meantone temperaments, for starters. It would only possible in EqualT. in a hypothetical situation that a given transposition causes no hideously hard fingerings. Say, your singer

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-02 Thread A. J. Ness
It's not difficult to play from lute tablature at a keyboard. I have played at sight from Italian tablature at a keyboard without ever having practicing the technique. I've never tried German, but it would be even easier because there is one distinct note for each tablature cipher. I'm

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread David Smith
I agree that transposing Bartok piano concertos might be a bit tough. Transposing fairly complicated choral or art song accompaniments I believe are pretty standard. The art of accompaniment is not that of a solo artist - what is important is that the harmonies, rhythms, and character of the music

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
reading off lute tabulature is common practice of historical harpists. WITHOUT transposion, naturally. RT - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:03 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread David van Ooijen
On 1 December 2011 13:58, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: reading off lute tabulature is common practice of historical harpists. WITHOUT transposion, naturally. Unless someone moved the harp an inch or two ... David -- *** David van Ooijen

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread Martyn Hodgson
on sight [was Re: A=392] To: Baroque lute Dmth baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, 1 December, 2011, 16:06 On Dec 1, 2011, at 2:08 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: why would you wish to transpose the lute part at all? I can claim no particular great expertise

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread howard posner
On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: We've already discussed this: the range of these songs is well within that of the generality of sopranos and tenors (see David Hill's recent paper which also discusses this matter) so there is really no need to transpose except, of

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-11-30 Thread David Smith
Just to jump in the fray. My wife is aprofessional musician, as many of you are, and I asked here if she thought it was an important skill for piano accompanists to be able to transpose on sight. Her response was a resounding yes. Now I know the piano is a more amenable for transposition

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-11-30 Thread David van Ooijen
On 30 November 2011 16:45, David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com wrote: Just to jump in the fray. My wife is aprofessional musician, as many of you are, and I asked here if she thought it was an important skill for piano accompanists to be able to transpose on sight. Her response was a resounding

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-11-30 Thread Martyn Hodgson
] Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392] To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, 30 November, 2011, 15:45 Just to jump in the fray. My

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-11-30 Thread howard posner
On Nov 30, 2011, at 7:39 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Ask your colleagues if they can transpose a lute song. What evidence do you have that he has colleagues? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-11-30 Thread howard posner
On Nov 30, 2011, at 9:27 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Oh dear, English again - and from the other side of the pond at that! Perhaps I'm guilty of the Carly Simon song here: You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you. My humble apologies to all involved if that is the case. Not

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-11-30 Thread David van Ooijen
On 30 November 2011 18:44, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: Not sure what you're apologizing for, unless it's sending a message to the list instead of to me. It wouldn't do to be laughing at someone else's expense; but laughing at my own expense is fine. Your English seems fine,

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-11-30 Thread Stuart Walsh
On 30/11/2011 16:37, David van Ooijen wrote: On 30 November 2011 17:28, howard posnerhowardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On Nov 30, 2011, at 7:39 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Ask your colleagues if they can transpose a lute song. What evidence do you have that he has colleagues? ROTFLOL! Not

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-11-30 Thread David van Ooijen
I like to think we're all enthusiastic amateurs here, sharing our love for the lute and its repertoire. Rather than perform a party trick for you, I'd like to show something much better: you can transpose from tablature yourself. Give it a try, even if just as a thought experiment.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-11-30 Thread Roman Turovsky
, David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com wrote: From: David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392] To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, David