[BAROQUE-LUTE] a very basic question

2008-08-20 Thread Ed Durbrow
So many players interpret the comma ornament as an appogiatura in a measured way. If this is correct, why didn't the composer just write a note? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: a very basic question

2008-08-20 Thread Rob MacKillop
So there is no confusion over which note is the 'melody' note and which is the ornament? Rob 2008/8/20 Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] So many players interpret the comma ornament as an appogiatura in a measured way. If this is correct, why didn't the composer just write

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: a very basic question

2008-08-20 Thread Dale Young
C.P.E. Bach wrote that in the appogiatura, the dissonance should be held AT LEAST half the value of the written note. Most preformers cheat on this, making these graces sound more like annoying speach impediments. Even more annoying, I also hear single comas played as trills. We all need to

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: a very basic question

2008-08-20 Thread Roman Turovsky
Them keyboardists are not blameless themselves. Those who come from the conservatory in Bologna trill everything.'' RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: a very basic question

2008-08-20 Thread Markus Lutz
In fact in baroque times it seemed to be the rule to play an appogiatura as long or longer than half of the note. In a 3/4 measure an appogiatura on an dotted minim should even last for two quarters (2 thirds of the note). But very often in tablature appogiaturas are the only ornaments,

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: a very basic question

2008-08-20 Thread Stephen Arndt
Does the length of an ornamented note make a difference? I have noticed on recordings that eighth notes and quarter notes tend to have an appogiatura, whereas dotted quarter notes tend to have a trill. -Original Message- From: Markus Lutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 20, 2008 8:49 AM To:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: a very basic question

2008-08-20 Thread Roman Turovsky
That what Stephen Stubbs advocates, although my own preference is for appogiatura even on long notes. RT From: Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does the length of an ornamented note make a difference? I have noticed on recordings that eighth notes and quarter notes tend to have an appogiatura,

[BAROQUE-LUTE] A very basic question

2008-08-20 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Jorge, Many thanks for the quotation from Gaultier's Preface, which tells us how we should interpret the comma in baroque lute music. I would like to add to what he has to say, and hopefully clarify things. As I understand it, the comma is an appoggiatura. As Stephen Arndt says, if the