Re: [bess] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: Issues w/ draft-boutros-bess-elan-services-over-sr

2020-11-20 Thread wang.yubao2
Hi Ali and Sami, I read the list of your discussions in the mail list, and I have some understandings on the topic. I hope these understandings can be helpful to move the discussion further. I think the "PBB EVPN over SRv6 underlay" solution will be complex, if we address too

Re: [bess] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: comments on draft-boutros-bess-elan-services-over-sr

2020-11-20 Thread Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
Please see my comments marked w/ [AS] below: Just so that everyone is aware of the history, I introduced the control plane signaling concept for L2VPN, as well as PW status signaling, capability exchange and PW QoS signaling for throttling the traffic. EVPN utilized that idea and applied in

Re: [bess] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: comments on draft-boutros-bess-elan-services-over-sr

2020-11-20 Thread Shah, Himanshu
Several (my) points – * There is no intent to “knock off” EVPN and replace with this technology. Instead, it is a lightweight solution that offers a lot of benefits. * We have several L2VPN solutions; LDP based, BGP based, EVPN – each solution with benefits of its own. And so is the

Re: [bess] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: comments on draft-boutros-bess-elan-services-over-sr

2020-11-20 Thread Shah, Himanshu
As for control plane learning vs. data plane learning, I don’t know about the history, but my impression is that control plane learning is considered as a feature but not as a fallback solution for not having the PW contexts for do data plane learning. I could be wrong though. [jorge] I agree

Re: [bess] comments on draft-boutros-bess-elan-services-over-sr

2020-11-20 Thread Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
Hi Jorge, Yes, EVPN has evolved over many years and that’s why it has such a big traction in industry (thanks to your contributions and many others) and we have always been open to improvements (mostly driven by our customers) and evaluated them objectively. So, if there is any suggestion wrt

Re: [bess] [Bier] PCE Controller & SDN Controller & Netconf/Yang NMS Controller - lines blurred and can the names be used ubiquitously meaning the same

2020-11-20 Thread Gyan Mishra
Hi Adrian, In line Kind Regards Gyan On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 7:04 AM Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi Gyan, > > > > Sorry, I missed this (got caught on a filter cos it was a bit spammed to a > lot of lists :-). > > > > > I have noticed that after reviewing many drafts across many WGs it seems > in

Re: [bess] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: Issues w/ draft-boutros-bess-elan-services-over-sr

2020-11-20 Thread Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
Hi Sami, If you want to respond, please elaborate so anyone who is following this thread can benefit from the exchange; otherwise, it won’t be productive. Please see my responses marked w/ [AS]. From: "Boutros, Sami" Date: Friday, November 20, 2020 at 10:51 AM To: Cisco Employee , Sami

Re: [bess] comments on draft-boutros-bess-elan-services-over-sr

2020-11-20 Thread Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)
Hi Ali, Yes, I understand it has pros and cons. What I meant is that, if using anycast SID in EVPN satisfies Sami’s requirements (or most), there is no need to add a completely new technology that needs to reinvent how to do all services (elan, eline, etree, L3, mcast, etc) and relies on

Re: [bess] comments on draft-boutros-bess-elan-services-over-sr

2020-11-20 Thread Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
Hi Jorge, Agreed, any technology can use any cast SID. [jorge] if you want to specify an anycast SID solution for EVPN as an alternative to aliasing, since it may have its merits, I’ll be glad to investigate it with you and help. However data plane-learning sounds a step back to me. I

Re: [bess] Issues w/ draft-boutros-bess-elan-services-over-sr

2020-11-20 Thread Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
Hi Sami, Sighhh! The first section of your draft (section 1) and the first two paragraphs of that section talks about (1) and (2) that I mentioned in my email. Basically, Introduction section states these two reasons as the underlying reasons for your draft. As I explained in details in my

[bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-sr-p2mp-00.txt

2020-11-20 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Multicast and Ethernet VPN with Segment Routing Point-to-Multipoint Trees Authors : Rishabh Parekh