Re: [Bf-committers] Arabic support in text editing

2011-10-24 Thread Dalai Felinto
Hi Yousef, I would take a look at some library that we can used with freetype2 (our current text drawing low-level library). To re-create the wheels ourselves seems a bit overkill to me. This text has a good overview, Panda caught my eyes there: http://behdad.org/text/ There is more to complex

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Sergey I. Sharybin
Hi all, I'll definitively agree with replacing for (+) icons. This really makes things more clear. Don't think changes to header is really so nice. It's difficult to distinguish it in sequencer, user preferences, a bit easier to distinguish in graph view, logic editor, outliner. And in all

Re: [Bf-committers] 2.60a Ahoy

2011-10-24 Thread Mitchell Stokes
Hello, I know this is a little late (although, in my defense, previous emails suggested a Monday ahoy), but r41239 fixes some compatibility issues found with the action actuator in 2.60. It would be nice to see this commit in 2.60a, but I also understand that people have already started building

Re: [Bf-committers] 2.60a Ahoy

2011-10-24 Thread Nathan Letwory
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Windows builds are in my homedir on d.b.o /Nathan On 23.10.2011 20:24, Sergey I. Sharybin wrote: Linux builds are on ftp. tag: blender-2.60a-release blender revision: 41226 addons revision: 2506 Campbell Barton wrote: Hi, I've merged in

Re: [Bf-committers] 2.60a Ahoy

2011-10-24 Thread Campbell Barton
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Mitchell Stokes moguri...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I know this is a little late (although, in my defense, previous emails suggested a Monday ahoy), but r41239 fixes some compatibility issues found with the action actuator in 2.60. It would be nice to see this

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Carsten Wartmann
Am 24.10.2011 01:21, schrieb Brecht Van Lommel: Hi all, Here's a patch with a subset of the UI changes in the cycles branch that I'd like to merge into trunk. Are there any objections to this? I don't think they would need any documentation updates, it's just small things that wouldn't

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Micael
Matt Ebb +1 Most problematic changes for me are; - Dark arrows ; should be bright, otherwise hard to see in both monitors I'm using right now. - No embossing ; I'm ok with making embossing more subtle but it's TOO subtle right now. -- Micael Dias

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Jonathan Smith
I think Brecht's UI changes look better than the current interface, although there are a few things that people have brought up which I agree should be changed first. * Remove emboss on areas and regions * Remove button emboss I don't have any strong opinions on this * More subtle colors and

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Thomas Dinges
I really can't understand most of the arguments here. I think that the way Brecht is trying to simplify the UI is very good, and makes visual scalability much better. William Reynish recently did a proposal as well, based on Brechts UI changes:

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Thomas Dinges
Wront link to Williams proposal, here is the right one. http://billrey.blogspot.com/2011/10/cleaning-up-blender-ui.html Am 24.10.2011 11:53, schrieb Thomas Dinges: I really can't understand most of the arguments here. I think that the way Brecht is trying to simplify the UI is very good, and

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Ton Roosendaal
Hi Brecht, I would like to have seen this proposed differently. Namely: - Mention the changes in defaults that are part of themes already (means, users with saved themes won't notice any change!) - Propose which new options could go to themes (The area/region embossing can get themable

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Martin Bürbaum
Brecht Van Lommel brechtvanlom...@pandora.be wrote: Here's a patch with a subset of the UI changes in the cycles branch that I'd like to merge into trunk. Are there any objections to this? Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452 After:

[Bf-committers] Alignment blenderplayer

2011-10-24 Thread Julian Adenauer
Hi developers, I have a question concerning the alignment of the view in blenderplayer: Currently, when I export a game engine runtime, the rendered game (in my case it is defined to be square) is in the center of the screen (in fullscreen mode, see is.png in attachment). What I need is the

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Sanne
On Monday 24 October 2011, Brecht Van Lommel wrote: Here's a patch with a subset of the UI changes in the cycles branch that I'd like to merge into trunk. Are there any objections to this? As a user, if I may: I liked your UI changes in the Cycles branch from the start, so I would be

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Przemysław Gołąb
Hi, user here :) +1 for Brecht. I like changes in usability and style sense, lower contrast, less annoying highlights, perfect. I worked with it and I really like those changes. For me they are ok for defaults. and +1 for Ton. All of this should be available for changes in theme editor.

Re: [Bf-committers] Alignment blenderplayer

2011-10-24 Thread Julian Adenauer
I'm not sure if the list supports attachments. If not, the screenshots can be found here: http://julianadenauer.de/blenderplayer.html Julian Am 24.10.11 13:03, schrieb Julian Adenauer: Hi developers, I have a question concerning the alignment of the view in blenderplayer: Currently, when I

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
Updated with some changes: Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452 Previous: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19453 Now: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19477 * Area embossing back, more subtle fix it being drawn wrong with 1 pixel offset * More space in panel

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Thomas Dinges
+1 Am 24.10.2011 14:05, schrieb Brecht Van Lommel: Updated with some changes: Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452 Previous: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19453 Now: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19477 * Area embossing back, more subtle fix it being

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Αντώνης Ρυακιωτάκης
Hi brecht, better indeed. In my opinion it is still difficult to discern the panel contents from the panel titles. Maybe a lighter tone for contents? ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org

[Bf-committers] Slow merges with recent changes

2011-10-24 Thread Campbell Barton
This came up on IRC, just a hint to how I've done merges from recent changes from trunk without having to sit there and resolve each conflict manually (which is pretty much unworkable for recent changes) --- in point form * Ensure no local changes. * Merge in steps (of 25 - 50), merge all small

Re: [Bf-committers] 2.60a Ahoy

2011-10-24 Thread pete larabell
Sorry for the delay, FreeBSD builds are up on d.b.o/i On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Campbell Barton ideasma...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Mitchell Stokes moguri...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I know this is a little late (although, in my defense, previous emails

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Micael
@Brecht, I like it better now, still: - As Αντώνης suggested, the panel titles should be more discerned. I would put just a little more contrast in the emboss effect of the title box and/or darken the background. - On the dropdown menus, it is my opinion that the arrows should be of a light

Re: [Bf-committers] Arabic support in text editing

2011-10-24 Thread Yousef Hurfoush
Hi dalai i know the fork i proposed is NOT the way it should be, i think going the further mile is the best approach, but that WILL take a big amount of time and commitment to revamp the text drawing aligorithm in blender. So, i think doing a simple procedure of implementing the arabic_to_utf

Re: [Bf-committers] 2.60a Ahoy

2011-10-24 Thread Mitchell Stokes
Yeah, I figured as much, but I thought I'd mention it. Cheers, Mitchell On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Campbell Barton ideasma...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Mitchell Stokes moguri...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I know this is a little late (although, in my defense,

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
Hi, I can add user configuration for a few things, and most of the changes (at least the controversial ones) are just changes to existing settings. But I would like to change the default theme as well, and I think it's useful to discuss that here and tweak things. Brecht. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
Hi, Panel headers a bit darker now and increased button embossing: Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452 Latest: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19501 I also like the icons to be a bit more muted, again to avoid them grabbing attention too much with highlights. For me

Re: [Bf-committers] Slow merges with recent changes

2011-10-24 Thread Nathan Letwory
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24.10.2011 16:12, Campbell Barton wrote: This came up on IRC, just a hint to how I've done merges from recent changes from trunk without having to sit there and resolve each conflict manually (which is pretty much unworkable for recent changes)

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Tobias Kummer
+1 for the http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19500 proposal. I like the muted icons! On Mon Oct 24 19:07:45 2011, Brecht Van Lommel wrote: Hi, Panel headers a bit darker now and increased button embossing: Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452 Latest:

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Kel M
Just make it a User preferences setting, with different presets like the old UI, new Cycles UI, etc. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tobias Kummer supertoi...@gmx.net wrote: +1 for the http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19500 proposal. I like the muted icons! On Mon Oct 24 19:07:45

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread François T .
I personaly preferred the non-emboss, solid and slick one, but it is only subjective F. 2011/10/24 Brecht Van Lommel brechtvanlom...@pandora.be Hi, Panel headers a bit darker now and increased button embossing: Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452 Latest:

Re: [Bf-committers] Slow merges with recent changes

2011-10-24 Thread Αντώνης Ρυακιωτάκης
In my case I used svn merge -r41226:41227 --accept=theirs-conflict This takes care of diffing only the $Id$ conflicts from this and the next 4 commits ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org

Re: [Bf-committers] Arabic support in text editing

2011-10-24 Thread Dalai Felinto
Hi Yousef, I talked about that with Campbell, and we got to some roadmap that should be a good start for someone willing to tackle the problem: (1) handle the drawing: 1.1.Implement bi-di (bi-directional support) in blf (Blender internal truetype2 wrapper+utility functions). 1.2.Implement complex

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Kel M
Hi, just another comment, what happened to the panel dividers? Before http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19509 After http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19510 On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:50 PM, François T. francoistarl...@gmail.comwrote: I personaly preferred the non-emboss, solid and

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Thomas Dinges
I don't think we need the space between the panels. Am 24.10.2011 21:58, schrieb Kel M: Hi, just another comment, what happened to the panel dividers? Before http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19509 After http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19510 On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:50 PM,

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Kel M
It just looks uncomfortable and inconsistent. They lines should at least be made the same color as the panel background. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Thomas Dinges blen...@dingto.org wrote: I don't think we need the space between the panels. Am 24.10.2011 21:58, schrieb Kel M: Hi, just

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Damir Prebeg
Well, since we don't need any space between panels, let's go one step further and let's merge all panels into one big panel. That would be great. On 24 October 2011 22:23, Kel M kelvinsh...@gmail.com wrote: It just looks uncomfortable and inconsistent. They lines should at least be made the

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Kel M kelvinsh...@gmail.com wrote: It just looks uncomfortable and inconsistent. They lines should at least be made the same color as the panel background. The region embossing and panel divider should be different, otherwise it looks like the editor is split

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Christopher Allan Webber
Maybe it's just me but this feels like a serious downgrade. I really admired the way the blender 2.5/6x UI looked in that it had a kind of sheen and niceness that you don't see in many applications. A friend of mine described it like you can tell the Blender developers spent a lot of time

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Christopher Allan Webber
I do like the more compactness though. Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes: Maybe it's just me but this feels like a serious downgrade. I really admired the way the blender 2.5/6x UI looked in that it had a kind of sheen and niceness that you don't see in many

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Damir Prebeg
@Thomas: I'm serious. Ironic, but serious. @Brecht: Well, If for nothing then for aesthetics. Without a gap, panels are looking merged (that's why I propose to create one big panel). To be honest, I would like to see old borders around panels, Non transparent BG and shadows behind panels, but I'm

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Przemysław Gołąb
Panel headers a bit darker now and increased button embossing: Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452 Latest: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19501 +1 I also like the icons to be a bit more muted, again to avoid them grabbing attention too much with highlights. For

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Mike S
Hi all, On muted icons: -1 Having just moved to OSX 10.7.3 Lion I have experienced a similar muting of icons in the Finder application as well as others. This is quite annoying as the visual colour cues from the icons are now missing. Unless you have considerable spatial memory its hard to

Re: [Bf-committers] UI changes from cycles branch

2011-10-24 Thread Kel M
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Brecht Van Lommel brechtvanlom...@pandora.be wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Kel M kelvinsh...@gmail.com wrote: It just looks uncomfortable and inconsistent. They lines should at least be made the same color as the panel background. The region

Re: [Bf-committers] image-save + .blend save destroys work without warning!

2011-10-24 Thread Sean Olson
Popup warning are pretty controversial and you are probably not going to get to see them in Blender in my opinion. I think there are a couple of solutions: 1. When you save in a manner that will lose data, a warning could display in the header info bar. I do think these warnings are not

[Bf-committers] Proposal for View Docs on Right Click

2011-10-24 Thread Sean Olson
Hi All, Occasionally I try and step back from Blender and attempt to see it the way a brand new user would. I recently did this and saw a glaring problem. The 'View Docs' on Right click does not help Users. Currently in Blender if you right click on 'almost' any button you will get a menu like