Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-30 Thread Stephen Swaney
On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 03:25:15PM +0100, Knapp wrote: >... If the XP users really must use his old computer and he wants new > features that are not supported and he has internet then he can download a > new and modern Linux lite distro and run the newest Blender. Last I looked, previous

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-30 Thread patrick boelens
ect: Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support > > Find me someone that used Blender on a linux distro one year long > without solving several problems with the command line. > > Still today, the Linux distro which is seen as the most user-friendly: > https://www.reddit.com/r/l

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-30 Thread matmenu
Find me someone that used Blender on a linux distro one year long without solving several problems with the command line. Still today, the Linux distro which is seen as the most user-friendly: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/30c7ig/nvidia_drivers_not_working_with_linux_mint/

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-30 Thread Knapp
If your computer is so old that it is running XP then you will have problems with most advanced features that expect you to have a powerful computer. If the XP users really must use his old computer and he wants new features that are not supported and he has internet then he can download a new and

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-30 Thread Knapp
I have been using Linux on my system for over 15 years. I have never used the command line when using Blender. (I am talking as a user, not as a developer or debugger. Developer's will have to dive deep.) I have never had driver problems in connection with Blender. I never use the Blender in the

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-29 Thread Sybren A . Stüvel
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:03:07AM +0100, Thomas Dinges wrote: > If people are stuck with a 15! year old operating system (for > whatever reason), they have to accept, that they cannot run latest > software and have to stick with older versions. I think this says it all. -- Sybren A. Stüvel

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-29 Thread Thomas Dinges
Hi, first of all, I think it is up to Martijn, as he maintains the Windows platform. :) On the other hand, we dropped XP several times in the past already, because it failed somehow on users systems or e.g. Martijn said it's taking away too much of his time to keep it working. And now we again

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-29 Thread matmenu
HI Matijn, It's ok to drop xp for 2.8. It would be good to keep everyone on board for 2.7x but if it's really to much hassle, I think everyone can understand. Bliblubli on BA did a xp compatible build of latest master with OpenVDB. Maybe you can join forces? Mat On 29/01/2016 09:50, Martijn

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-29 Thread Martijn Berger
Hi Mike, I am pretty sure it either works or can be made to work pretty easy. Martijn On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Mike Erwin wrote: > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Sebastian A. Brachi < > sebastianbra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > What newer APIs do we

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-29 Thread Mike Erwin
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Sebastian A. Brachi < sebastianbra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > What newer APIs do we want to use but are being held back by XP? > > > > What about Python 3.5, which doesn't support XP anymore? > > As specified in PEP 11, a Python release only supports a Windows

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-29 Thread patrick boelens
ve my vote. I only find it reasonable to drop support for it and newer/ incompatible features then. Just my two cents, Patrick > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:03:56 +0100 > From: martijn.ber...@gmail.com > To: bf-committers@blender.org > Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support >

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-29 Thread Mike Erwin
What newer APIs do we want to use but are being held back by XP? I know the jump from Win 2000 to XP was because of the RawInput API for keyboard and 3D mice. I'm not making the case for keeping XP support forever, just want a clear case for dropping it now instead of during 2.8. Thomas Dinges

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-29 Thread Martijn Berger
HI Mike, We could switch to PSAPI version 2 when targeting vista or above. I am sure there are others as just this one could have been handled without creating the **_xp variants of the toolchain. For me personally I think switching to mdvc 2015 is more important ( I know vc140_xp exists but

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support

2016-01-29 Thread Sebastian A. Brachi
> > What newer APIs do we want to use but are being held back by XP? > What about Python 3.5, which doesn't support XP anymore? As specified in PEP 11, a Python release only supports a Windows platform > while Microsoft considers the platform under extended support. This means > that Python 3.5