Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-24 Thread Tony Finch
Simon Forster fors...@spamteq.com wrote: Excellent info. Thank you. What's the specs of the machine you're testing on? An old-ish Dell Optiplex 760, Core 2 Duo, 3.16 GHz, 4GB RAM. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch d...@dotat.at http://dotat.at/ Forties, Cromarty: East, veering southeast, 4 or 5,

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-24 Thread Tony Finch
Vernon Schryver v...@rhyolite.com wrote: It's convenient that with binary zone files and the dynamic update protocol, loading from text (or signing a whole zone) is not something you need to do every hour on the hour. Right. Timings from named-checkzone give a rough idea of a worst-case cold

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-24 Thread Noel Butler
On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 19:21 +, Vernon Schryver wrote: As a matter of interest, if one had a DNSBL with 5.5 million entries (i.e. 5.5 million IPs): 1) What needs to be done to rewrite that to a BIND zone? 2) What sort of machine would be required to load that zone? 3) How

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-24 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Noel Butler noel.but...@ausics.net We used to run our int bl on bind, it was a resource hog compared to rbldnsd But there is no way in hell, I'd run rbldnsd on anything else other than a BL, IMO, they are both designed to do different things, and they both do their own thing, much

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-24 Thread Noel Butler
On Tue, 2013-09-24 at 13:40 +, Vernon Schryver wrote: From: Noel Butler noel.but...@ausics.net We used to run our int bl on bind, it was a resource hog compared to rbldnsd But there is no way in hell, I'd run rbldnsd on anything else other than a BL, IMO, they are both

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
On 09/20/2013 05:12 PM, Vernon Schryver wrote: The potential RRL problem is when you provide high volume DNSBL service over the open Internet to DNS clients that are not authenticated. However, that is unlikely to be a worry, because providing DNSBL services over the open Internet is dubious

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Eliezer Croitoru elie...@ngtech.co.il Major DNSBL providers have years since limited anonymous clients for business or other reasons. For example, I think Spamhaus limits anonymous clients to fewer than 3 queries/second. and I doubt they use RRL in the application level.. I

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Chris Buxton
On Sep 23, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Vernon Schryver v...@rhyolite.com wrote: From: Eliezer Croitoru elie...@ngtech.co.il I was looking for something like that but I am sure a dynamic DB is needed for the task right? Large DNSBLs are not very dynamic, because they have relatively few changes

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Simon Forster
On 23 Sep 2013, at 15:59, Vernon Schryver v...@rhyolite.com wrote: From: Eliezer Croitoru elie...@ngtech.co.il Major DNSBL providers have years since limited anonymous clients for business or other reasons. For example, I think Spamhaus limits anonymous clients to fewer than 3

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Tony Finch
Simon Forster fors...@spamteq.com wrote: As a matter of interest, if one had a DNSBL with 5.5 million entries (i.e. 5.5 million IPs): 1) What needs to be done to rewrite that to a BIND zone? 2) What sort of machine would be required to load that zone? 3) How long would it take to load into

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists,

2013-09-23 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Tony Finch d...@dotat.at As a matter of interest, if one had a DNSBL with 5.5 million entries (i.e. 5.5 million IPs): 1) What needs to be done to rewrite that to a BIND zone? 2) What sort of machine would be required to load that zone? 3) How long would it take to load into

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-23 Thread Simon Forster
On 23 Sep 2013, at 19:24, Tony Finch d...@dotat.at wrote: Simon Forster fors...@spamteq.com wrote: As a matter of interest, if one had a DNSBL with 5.5 million entries (i.e. 5.5 million IPs): 1) What needs to be done to rewrite that to a BIND zone? 2) What sort of machine would be

RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-20 Thread Shane Kerr
Noel, On 2013-09-20 12:48:31 (Friday) Noel Butler noel.but...@ausics.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 01:59 +, Vernon Schryver wrote: plenty of delayed mail - hostname lookup failures (mostly because of URI/DNS BL's), so it certainly works as intended :) That sounds unrelated

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-20 Thread Noel Butler
Hi Shane, On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 11:38 +0200, Shane Kerr wrote: Noel, On 2013-09-20 12:48:31 (Friday) Noel Butler noel.but...@ausics.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 01:59 +, Vernon Schryver wrote: plenty of delayed mail - hostname lookup failures (mostly because of URI/DNS

Re: RRL probably not useful for DNS IP blacklists, was Re: New Versions of BIND are available (9.9.4, 9.8.6, and 9.6-ESV-R10)

2013-09-20 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Shane Kerr sh...@isc.org With a 50% packet loss and 3 retries you'll have about 1 in 16 lookups fail, right? If you've got enough legitimate lookups going on to trigger RRL then you're going to get lots of failures. If 6% is lots, then yes. One workaround for this is to set SLIP to