Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-09-01 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-09-01 18:37, Eric Voskuil wrote: Whether intended or otherwise this is an attack on the idea of decentralized bitcoin development. The option to fork or roll your own is open source, not decentralization. Decentralization requires *actually doing so*. One step down that path, even for a f

Re: [bitcoin-dev] push tx fuzzing

2015-09-01 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-09-01 15:50, Kristov Atlas via bitcoin-dev wrote: I am interested in finding or writing a fuzzer for push tx APIs. I did not find one after a brief search. Has anyone found otherwise, or is she in the process of writing one? https://github.com/jonasnick/bitcoinconsensus_testcases http

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-09-01 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-09-01 15:59, Dave Collins via bitcoin-dev wrote: I'd be interested to know about these supposed btcd mainnet forks that have occurred due to a consensus failure since it came out of alpha. I'll go ahead and save you some research time - there hasn't been one. I'm not claiming there will n

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-09-01 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31 23:47, s7r via bitcoin-dev wrote: The problem is there is no other implementation out there which comes near the quality of the code in Bitcoin Core. I am actually eager to try other implementations as well, but something serious, because Bitcoin itself is a payment protocol not som

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes

2015-09-01 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-09-01 10:16, Chris D'Costa via bitcoin-dev wrote: However, I fully agree with Adam that livenet is probably not the place to play this game, and I'm also not convinced that testnet is either.  I often wondered if there is any appetite for a no-holds-barred, anything goes, bitcoin fork th

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-09-01 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31 23:32, Peter R wrote: On 2015-08-31, at 2:24 PM, Allen Piscitello via bitcoin-dev wrote: It is my opinion, then, that we should support multiple implementations of the Bitcoin protocol, working to reduce the network's dependency on Core. That would be incredibly foolish give

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31 21:54, Justus Ranvier wrote: You keep using the word "decentralized" without explaining (and most likely, understanding) what it means. Decentralization is a ubiquitous term within the Bitcoin, and the definition is by no measure new or often confused. It is realizing that syst

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31 21:24, Allen Piscitello wrote: Even so, decentralization is a means to an end - not an end-goal.  It is essential for Bitcoin to be a useful alternative, of course. The justification for the existence of Bitcoins hinges on it. What is described in the whitepaper is a system with

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31 20:27, Justus Ranvier wrote: You don't understand what value proof of work provides, or what features differentiate good money from poor money, and you can't make a defensible statement of Bitcoin's value proposition. Because you can't do these things, you assume nobody else can d

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31 19:11, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev wrote: I think your summary of what people actually want from decentralisation is pretty good, Justus. I don't believe that any Bitcoin user actually cares about decentralization, because none of them I've asked can define that term. +1 Insight