Hi all,
It looks like there are only a few mailing lists left on
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo and all of the
remaining ones are using Mailman version 2.1.15, which is not the
current version - https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/
Was there any decision made on where to
Hi floppy disk guy, thanks for prompting me to look closer at Nostr,
it's very interesting.
I hope that whatever solution is chosen doesn't involve handing power
over to a centralized entity that wants collect as much information on
every living person as possible, and lock everyone and
I find Google Groups especially repugnant not not only because what has already
been mentioned, but Google Groups has a quite clunky and annoying user
interface that makes it difficult for me to find anything or interest in there.
Usenet was migrated to Google Groups for some reason, and it's
Hi Overthefalls,
+1
Using google for bitcoin mailing list is not good. It feels embarrassing that
some developers that built and maintained the only decentralized network used
to settle uncensored payments and some of them even working on nostr, can't
build their own mailing list which is
On Tue, 2023-11-07 at 09:37 -0600, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wrote:
Google Groups is another interesting option,
I don't think I'm the only person on this list that is strongly opposed
to using google for anything. They are too big and they have their hand
in everything, and their eyes (and
Thanks for the write up and thanks to the bitcoin-dev mailing list
moderation team for their work along the years.
If we can pick up a communication platform where platform moderators /
infra maintainers have low-risk of being targeted by subpoena + gag order
or "injonction administrative" (the
What about using Signet, or some separate P2P network, to handle all of that?
1. All e-mails could be sent in a pure P2P way, just each "mailing list node"
would receive it, and include to its mempool.
2. The inclusion of some message would be decided by signing a block.
Moderators would pick
On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 06:14:23PM +, Andrew Chow via bitcoin-dev wrote:
Hi Dan,
I don't think nostr would be a suitable replacement for the mailing
list, although this opinion is biased by the fact that I do not use
nostr and find it to be uninteresting.
email-like functionality over
On 2023-11-07 17:12, Andrew Chow via bitcoin-dev wrote:
I would prefer that we continue to have a mailing list where email is a
functional and first class user interface. So that would be to migrate
to groups.io or Google Groups. I think Google Groups is probably the
better choice of the two.
On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 11:08:58PM +, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 09:37:22AM -0600, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > Anti spam has been an issue for the moderators. It's relentless. Without
> > access to the underlying server, it has been difficult to
On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 09:37:22AM -0600, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Web forums are an interesting option, but often don't have good email user
> integration.
> What about bitcointalk.org or delvingbitcoin.org?
delvingbitcoin.org is something I setup; it's a self-hosted discourse
On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 09:37:22AM -0600, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Anti spam has been an issue for the moderators. It's relentless. Without
> access to the underlying server, it has been difficult to fight spam. There
> is some support for filters in mailman2 but it's not great.
On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 11:03:30AM -0600, Ademan via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Hi Bryan,
>
> I don't really want my first (and last?) devlist message to be a fairly
> off-the-cuff post on this topic, but here we go anyway.
>
> At the risk of sounding like a nostr evangelist (I promise I'm not), I
On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 11:41:59AM -0800, Christopher Allen via bitcoin-dev
wrote:
> As Bitcoin-Core already uses GitHub, another possibility is to use the new
> GitHub discussions feature. We increasingly have been using this at
> Blockchain Commons as everyone is using already using GitHub. We
I also think that good archives are extremely important. Far more important
than being a medium of discussion is capturing all of that discussion for
posterity. An unbelievable amount of knowledge capital has been built up in
the mailing list over the years and given that Bitcoin is a system that
I think GitHub Discussions is a great idea. If we are considering proprietary
options like Google Groups, then we should definitely consider Discussions.
1. Guaranteed that nearly everyone participating here already has a GH account.
2. Offers many moderation options.
3. Good formatting
Hi, I also have faced this same problem, and here’s my solution to it:
Use the latest version of https://www.simplemachines.org/ .
This is the same forum software that powered Bitcointalk, Silk Road, etc.
It has many advantages over every other platform out there:
1. It has great anti-spam
ing decide the "future of bitcoin-dev mailing list", the
only two solutions to me appear to tautologically be:
1) Give continuity to bitcoin-dev mailing list with a ready drop-in
replacement.
2) Don't give continuity the bitcoin-dev mailing list.
In the case 1) a solution coul
As Bitcoin-Core already uses GitHub, another possibility is to use the new
GitHub discussions feature. We increasingly have been using this at
Blockchain Commons as everyone is using already using GitHub. We have also
created some GitHub actions to backup discussions so that GitHub will not
be a
Hi Andrew,
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I don't know that you'll find my
responses satisfactory (particularly around moderation), but there are at
least solutions to the objections. Except of course the timeline, which I
got wrong ;-) and means this would be half-baked at best by the
On 2023-11-07 05:37, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wrote:
What about [...] delvingbitcoin.org?
I'm only willing to consider discussion groups that provide good
archives, so I think it's worth noting that James O'Beirne has written
code[1] and is currently maintaining a git repo[2] with a
Hi Dan,
I don't think nostr would be a suitable replacement for the mailing
list, although this opinion is biased by the fact that I do not use
nostr and find it to be uninteresting.
From my limited understanding of how nostr works, it's not clear to me
how a distributed system that uses
On 07/11/2023 16.37, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wrote:
We would like to request community feedback and proposals on the future
of the mailing list.
>
> [...]
Have you considered switching to Matrix? It's federated, much like
e-mail. It's censorship resistant, in the sense that any
Thanks for writing this up.
I would prefer that we continue to have a mailing list where email is a
functional and first class user interface. So that would be to migrate
to groups.io or Google Groups. I think Google Groups is probably the
better choice of the two.
Although there are concerns
Hello,
We would like to request community feedback and proposals on the future of
the mailing list.
Our current mailing list host, Linux Foundation, has indicated for years
that they have wanted to stop hosting mailing lists, which would mean the
bitcoin-dev mailing list would need to move
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