Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Andreas Schildbach
btw. None of Bitcoin Wallet's users complained about confusion because of the mBTC switch. In contrast, I get many mails and questions if exchange rates happen to differ by 10%. I suspect nobody looks at the Bitcoin price. It's the amount in local currency that matters to the users. On

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Tamas Blummer
You give them a hard to interpret thing like mBTC and then wonder why they rather look at local currency. Because the choices you gave them are bad. I think Bitcoin would have a better chance to be percieved as a currency of its own if it had prices and fractions like currencies do. 3.558 mBTC

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Roy Badami
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:05:25PM +0100, Andreas Schildbach wrote: btw. None of Bitcoin Wallet's users complained about confusion because of the mBTC switch. In contrast, I get many mails and questions if exchange rates happen to differ by 10%. At the moment, I imagine the vast majority of

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Tamas Blummer
you miss the point Andreas. It is not about the magnitude but about the form of a price. A number with no decimals or with two decimals is percieved as a price in some currency. A number with more than two decimals is just not percieved as a price but as a geeky something that you rather

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Andreas Schildbach
By that definition 3.56 is a price. Maybe I misunderstood you and you're lobbying for mBTC? On 03/14/2014 03:57 PM, Tamas Blummer wrote: you miss the point Andreas. It is not about the magnitude but about the form of a price. A number with no decimals or with two decimals is percieved as a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Tamas Blummer
I think you want to misunderstand me Andreas. It is astonishing arrogance to define the units because we in Bitcoin are used to some wierd notation and ignore that the vast majority of population and financial software in existence does not have a notion of prices with more than two decimals.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Tyler
You give them a hard to interpret thing like mBTC and then wonder why they rather look at local currency. Because the choices you gave them are bad. I don't think this is particularly true. The options people are given are all good in this case and all have their merits. The reason people are

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Andreas Schildbach
I don't know about financial software. I really don't get what you mean by weird notation? Bitcoin Wallet is made for ordinary users. They are used to real-world prices like EUR 1.63 / USD 2.26 (that would be the Espresso example). How can mBTC 3.56 be weird to these people? Granted, there are

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Alex Morcos
I think Mark makes some good arguments. I realize this would only add to the confusion, but... What if we did relabel 100 satoshis to be some new kind of unit (bit or whatever else), with a proper 3 letter code, and then from a user standpoint, where people are using mBTC, they could switch to

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Andrew Smith
Well, not sure I wanted to subscribe the mbtc vs ubtc list... its a default, not a big deal. -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Ricardo Filipe
so much discussion for a visual update... make this a user experiment: -give the user the possibility to use BTC/mBTC/uMTC -retrieve the results after some time -make the default the most used option 2014-03-14 16:15 GMT+00:00 Alex Morcos mor...@gmail.com: I think Mark makes some good

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Allen Piscitello
Fairly useless experiment, since the vast majority of users will almost always stay at the default. The winner will always be whatever was selected as the default initially. This might work if the default was randomly chosen, and you see what actually annoyed users enough to switch off of it

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread vv01f
I think * if we change to mBTC because your state currencys price for bitcoin make this a valid option we will change again in future * users do not like changes * we should keep a good standard A good standard should be * built on standards (e.g. SI) * backed by best practice: never force the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Physical key / edge detection software and PIN to generate private key

2014-03-14 Thread Brooks Boyd
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Jack Scott jack.scott.pub...@gmail.comwrote: BIP: XX Title: Physical key / edge detection software and PIN to generate a Bitcoin private key Author: Jack Scott Status: Idea Type: Standard Track Created: 13-3-2014 Abstract: A method is proposed to

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Natanael
Regarding (ISO standards) currency symbols, XBT is already used as equivalent to 1 Bitcoin in numerous places, and XBC is taken and BT* belongs to Bhutan (and X** is already the default for non-national currency common items of trade), so IMHO we should define something like XUB as microbitcoins

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-03-14 Thread Odinn Cyberguerrilla
Hello, I see a lot of talk on this topic and get the senst that it is focused on default display only regarding the mBTC / uBTC questions. However, if the focus is broader, involving whether or how to express other currencies or moving further along to what that might even mean (since many