Re: [Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?

On 14 October 2013 20:08, Adam Back wrote: > Coming back to the staging idea, maybe this is a realistic model that could > work. The objective being to provide a way for bitcoin to move to a live > beta and stable being worked on in parallel like fedora vs RHEL or odd/even > linux kernel version

Re: [Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?

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Re: [Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?

Michael, Very interesting that you have tackled that off the radar. I didn't know anyone else was working on anything similar. I'm sure you saw the recent Armory-funding announcement, so understandably I have other priorities in recent past and near future, but I think you should connect with Ma

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Hi Alan, What you describe in the ultimate blockchain compression I have already coded the authenticated datastructure part of in libcoin (https://github.com/libcoin/libcoin) - next step is to include a p2pool style mining, where a parallel chain serves several purposes: 1. to validate the root ha

Re: [Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Adam Back wrote: > Its a live beta, meaning real value, real contracts. But we dont want it to > be an alt-coin with a floating value exactly, we want it to be bitcoin, but > the bleeding edge bitcoin so we want to respect the 21 million coin limit, > and allow co

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Coming back to the staging idea, maybe this is a realistic model that could work. The objective being to provide a way for bitcoin to move to a live beta and stable being worked on in parallel like fedora vs RHEL or odd/even linux kernel versions. Development runs in parallel on bitcoin 1.x beta

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Is there a relatively easy way to switch between Testnet versions in the client? On the forums I am in discussion with one member who mentioned the idea of a Main net, a testnet and a "beta-net" where the coins on the beta-net would be allowed to have value. It seems like simple and logical way to

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Why use ripple and not just use the testnet? The advantageous of allowing testnet to be used as an alt-coin are That Non standard transactions can be tested in a pseudo live environment where because the coins have some nominal value people are incentivized to try and steal and come up with cl

Re: [Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?

On 19 May 2013 15:23, Adam Back wrote: > Is there a way to experiment with new features - eg committed coins - that > doesnt involve an altcoin in the conventional sense, and also doesnt impose > a big testing burden on bitcoin main which is a security and testing risk? > > eg lets say some form

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That is true, but someone is already running it as a service on the blockchain itself. See: https://www.proofofexistence.com/ You can imagine similar services cropping up for things like torrents, sending btc tweets, etc. While I am not saying these things are particularly refined ideas in an

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Timestamping ("proof of existence") doesn't need a coin at all. Just collect all the hashes you need timestamped into a PoE merkle tree and add that to the merged mining MT. It's pretty simple and straightforward, just needs someone to implement it. On Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:09:09 AM Dennis

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It seems so much easier to just allow bitcoin testnet to be used more widely for larger scale bitcoin staging. People can assign value as they wish to testnet bitcoins but at their own risk/peril. This incremental amount of value though would allow for testing of larger ideas, ideas that perhaps

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my initial idea (not sure if it is good) was to have an asymetric market. lets say you want to create altcoin ALC. ALC are merge-mined with btc, though without block reward. to create 1 ALC you have two choices: destroy 1 BTC, or buy 1 ALC for a floating amount from an exchange. in my book, this w

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Note that the "earn a mixture of BTC and TBC, but not both in full volume" only works for TBC because the price is by definition fixed with BTC. I'm not sure how you could implement something like this for an altcoin where the price is floating independently of Bitcoin.. that is, how you would kn

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Agreed. What I mean is a coinbase for parity-priced alt-coin would be intentionally considered (and required by the alt-coin to be considered) an invalid bitcoin address, and vice versa. The difference is for this purpose it is both valid alt-coin coinbase (as well as unspendable bitcoin coinbase

Re: [Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 03:39:32PM +0200, Adam Back wrote: > I had one thought towards this which is a different kind of merged mining. > > I think a "fair" merged mining aiming for price parity would be done by the > miner having to choose the altcoin or btc at mine time, and altcoin chain > cons

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I had one thought towards this which is a different kind of merged mining. I think a "fair" merged mining aiming for price parity would be done by the miner having to choose the altcoin or btc at mine time, and altcoin chain considering btc mine unspendable and bitcoin considering ac unspendable.

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On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:37 PM, zooko wrote: > Folks: > > I'm very interested in this idea. I got really excited about it and started > trying to write up schemes to implement it. Like much of Bitcoin, it gets my > head spinning, but then it turns out I don't really understand it. > > Because wh

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Folks: I'm very interested in this idea. I got really excited about it and started trying to write up schemes to implement it. Like much of Bitcoin, it gets my head spinning, but then it turns out I don't really understand it. Because when my write-ups of implementations all turned to dust and as

Re: [Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?

This sounds similar to the "bitcoin2" branch I created a while back - basically a "next"-like branch, but for hardforking changes that refused to run without the -testnet option. There's so much non-hardforking code that can be written/tested, at this point, that I think it was and maybe is prem

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This is exactly what I was planning to do with the inappropriately-named "Ultimate Blockchain Compression ". I wanted to reorganize the blockchain data into an authenticated tree, indexed by TxOut script (address), instead of tx-hash. Much like

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I think this is a very interesting idea. As Bitcoiners, we often stuff things into the 'alt chain' bucket in our heads; I wonder if this idea works better as a curing period, essentially an extended version of the current 100 block wait for mined coins. An alternate setup comes to mind; I can imag

[Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?

Is there a way to experiment with new features - eg committed coins - that doesnt involve an altcoin in the conventional sense, and also doesnt impose a big testing burden on bitcoin main which is a security and testing risk? eg lets say some form of merged mine where an alt-coin lets call it bitc