[Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Amir Taaki
Hey, I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire sourcecode available for review, and users should be able to run it from the sourcecode. Is the sourcecode for this client available for review? I couldn't

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread mats
Sources are available here: http://code.google.com/p/bitcoin-wallet/ Mats Quoting Amir Taaki zgen...@yahoo.com: Hey, I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire sourcecode available for review,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Amir Taaki
OK thanks. I just went and made those sections then saw your posts. Anyway we have a section for proprietary clients now. Please tell me if anything looks disagreeable, http://bitcoin.org/clients.html One thing I'm going to do is randomise the positioning order within sections upon refresh.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Jorge Timón timon.elvi...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't even know that they were proprietary software bitcoin clients. Should people trust them? Should the web promote them? After all, you can't know what they do. What if one of them contains a back door or something?

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: I've reverted these additions to the page, nothing personal but— Er, to be clear, I left the android software in because the source is available (And I'm told its had some review). I removed the proprietary software

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Ben Reeves
Any chance the blockchain.info iphone app could be included on the clients page? The source is available under an lGPL license: https://github.com/blockchain/My-Wallet-iPhone. More info:https://blockchain.info/wallet/iphone-app Also the javascript web front end can be reviewed using a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Amir Taaki
JS randomisation is bad. People shouldn't need JS to view a webpage. Only you have a problem with this page. I don't see why Bitcoin-Qt needs to be first either when it dominates the front page. It is perfectly fine as it is. You are not a developer of any alternative clients, and this is a

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Stefan Thomas
You are not a developer of any alternative clients I am and I'm going to have to agree with Greg. Information about clients is bound to be transient and controversial. My relatively naive suggestion would be to move it to the Wiki. If it can handle the controversies involved with the Trade

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android

2012-07-09 Thread Harald Schilly
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Amir Taaki zgen...@yahoo.com wrote: Is the sourcecode for this client available for review? I couldn't find it. yes: http://code.google.com/p/bitcoin-wallet/ and it is built upon http://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/ harald

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Luke-Jr
FWIW, all this argumenting is why my original suggestion for a Clients list focussed on objective information in alphabetical order. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Amir Taaki zgen...@yahoo.com wrote: JS randomisation is bad. People shouldn't need JS to view a webpage. JS randomization doesn't imply needing JS to view the page. It implies needing JS to see it in random order. You could also combine it with the server-side

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Alan Reiner
I generally agree with Greg. I don't see anything he's said or done as anti-alt-client. As an alt-client developer, I'm happy to see my client on the main page, but I'm also happy if that clients page is simply an acknowledgement that there's more to the Bitcoin world than just the Bitcoin-Qt

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Nils Schneider
I don't think that's a good idea as it can easily confuse or annoy users when things move around. The ordering should be preserved as much as possible so users can remember where they found a client they liked (e.g. 2nd row, 1st column and screenshot with light and blue colors). Making them search

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Amir Taaki
This page really does matter to alternative clients. If you measure the click through statistics, then they are a significant portion of the traffic. By removing this page, you are directly stunting Bitcoin's growth. The only thing that's changed between now and this morning is: - Addition

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: If you had authored this as a pull request rather than making the change unilaterally I would have recommended leaving it so the reference client was always first. I also would have suggested that it use JS

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Mike Hearn
I strongly agree, but this is *why* I suggested moving it to the wiki. I recently had to choose an XMPP client and I looked on xmpp.org - after a frustrating experience with their listing [1] Probably because their listing is even more useless than any of the proposals that were presented

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Amir Taaki
By that time in the future, when there are many clients, there should just be a flat list or no list at all. - Original Message - From: Nils Schneider n...@nilsschneider.net To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Random order for clients page

2012-07-09 Thread Stefan Thomas
I think by users you mean, geeks who understand wiki syntax. The point is to expand the circle of contributors. I'm pretty sure there are more people who can edit a wiki than people who know HTML and how to create a git pull request. :) Inability to agree on columns isn't why the page looks