Re: [Blackbelly] Marley the AB ram died, I suspect pneumonia

2015-09-11 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Extreme hot weather will cause Pneumonia as quickly as cold. I think the problem is dust in the air. It probably is dust Pneumonia. Makes no difference what we call it, it has to be treated aggressively. I would not wait on the vet, I would start giving Combiotic ( Long acting Penicillin )

Re: [Blackbelly] Marley the AB ram died, I suspect pneumonia

2015-09-10 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I would be giving Penicillin and Baytril cocktails all around, in addition to a new dose of Safeguard. Cecil in OKla On 9/10/2015 9:28 PM, Michael Smith wrote: forgot to mention, to make matters worse, northern California has had 100*F weather, all this weekend and week. The animals all have

Re: [Blackbelly] fencing

2015-07-17 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I installed a 5 wire alternating hot and ground wire fence about 300 ft long across one end of my sheep pasture about 10 years ago. I used a locally built 110 volt fencer that would produce a very blue spark about 1/2 inch long. The rams would stick their heads through the fence with their ho

Re: [Blackbelly] suden death of ABB ewe

2015-05-23 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I cannot help but suspect Selenium poisoning here. It acts fast, Less than 6 hrs, and looks like pneumonia. On 5/23/2015 1:33 PM, Laura Rinker wrote: There were a bunch of sudden deaths on a property in Galt, Ca and a necropsy on one of them from UC davis showed pneumonia and cardiac issue

Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun

2015-03-29 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Get youjrself a .357 Marlin lever action rifle. You can use 38 caliber ammo in it. It will have a good knockdown power at close range and will not travel a long way if you miss...( 100 yd bullet drop). I use one for coyotes in what is now becoming suburbs. Cecil in OKla On 3/28/2015 2:02

Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis

2015-03-22 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Mastitis is a real pain. You need to feed the lambs on a bottle and restrict their access to that udder milk. They can get an infection from it. You can infuse the udder with Penicillin, based mastitis treatment. You will have to use cattle treatments as there are none available for sheep.

Re: [Blackbelly] Coyote fence ideas

2014-05-08 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I am in central Oklahoma, and here, the animal damage control boys tell me that we have a variety of eastern Coyote that is becoming a problem. I had coyote problems several years ago and trapped 2 coyotes, and 3 dogs. We have a local problem here of an individual taking in every stray dog t

Re: [Blackbelly] Fading lamb

2014-04-03 Thread Cecil R Bearden
The only time I have had lambs cry out in pain is when they had enterotoxemia from over feeding. I would never elastrate a lamb before 4 months old. It is possible that you little one tried to nurse another mother and was shoved into the barn, ground, etc. I have seen other mothers being exc

Re: [Blackbelly] The noble Marley

2013-10-09 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Thank you Michael. I was afraid you were going to succumb to the mighty dollar. When my first ram Blackie, was not usuable for service, I wethered him and he turned out to be a great pet and would lead the flock in to the pen or wherever I needed them. He later had an injury to his feet, he

Re: [Blackbelly] Dumb lamb

2013-09-23 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I have used Mentholatum or Vicks on the ewe's nose and on the lambs back to get them to take a lamb. It might work in reverse. You might try some around the lambs nose, and then rub some on the ewe's legs or her belly so the lamb will recognize her. Cecil in OKla On 9/22/2013 9:42 PM, Mark

Re: [Blackbelly] Dumb lamb

2013-09-22 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I might add that I had one of these ram lambs that was born one cold Jan 2, and got stuck between the barn post and the sheet metal. He was stiff when I found him. I gave him mouth to mouth resuscitation, and fed him about 10 cc of milk that I carried in my coat. After 5 hours of cooking un

Re: [Blackbelly] Dumb lamb

2013-09-22 Thread Cecil R Bearden
You got a bottle baby I have had this problem a few times. Are you sure the lamb is not blind or deaf? Is Mom trying to keep up with him or is she just bawling and then not following. Was he warm enough while stuck away from Mom. I have had brain damaged ones from getting too cold afte

Re: [Blackbelly] Milk replacer

2013-09-05 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I am waiting on my 4th bottle fed ewe to die. We raised 5 lambs on a bottle 2 years ago. Of the 5, 4 have not made it to 2 yrs old. 2 were autopsied and found to have under developed hearts. 1 was not autopsied. Besides being in my flock, the one common factor was that we used Dumore milk

Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 9, Issue 29

2013-07-01 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Nearly every animal on my farm has a name. We have one old ewe that we have to try to keep out of the mini van when we open the door Cecil in OKla On 7/1/2013 5:13 PM, Rick Krach wrote: In my humble opinion sheep are farm animals and not pets; therefore, I never give them names. If "nam

Re: [Blackbelly] Dead ewe, coyotes? or something else

2013-06-05 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Sounds like coyotes or coyote/dog cross.Look for a trail into your pasture and set a trap. Cecil in OKLa On 6/5/2013 12:17 AM, Michael Smith wrote: (Moderator--I am re-sending this in plain text.) New to sheep, started in 2008 as some of you folks know, and our fencing has been real good. Las

Re: [Blackbelly] POSSIBLE LONE EWE

2013-01-18 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Could it be she has overeating disease, or founder? Cecil in OKla On 1/17/2013 10:03 PM, ljacob4...@aol.com wrote: I have two ewes. Mom, (Tawny) is 11 yrs. old and daughter (Violet) is 10. Tawny is very ill and we are trying desperately to save her; however, the Vet can't figure out why sh

Re: [Blackbelly] lamb does not recognize momma

2012-12-17 Thread Cecil R Bearden
If you want to save it, work fast, keep it warm, tube feed if necessary, and remember, a Barbado ewe here in OKlahoma only gives about 20cc of milk per milking. If you follow that book recipe for the 20% per day, you will over feed it and it will die from clostridium toxins or Founder as the

Re: [Blackbelly] Fwd: Website Request for Information about BBSAI

2012-11-18 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I would add a supplement rich in vitamin H and follow with a good worming with safegaurd or panacur. Cecil in oKla On 11/18/2012 4:28 PM, Mary Swindell wrote: Hello breeder friends, As Registrar of the BBSAI, I answer questions from those who write in to the BBSAI web site at www.blackbellys

Re: [Blackbelly] Mountain Lion

2012-06-21 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Good luck. remember you are dealing with an animal that has a nose that is 100,000 times more sensitive than yours. It can smell a week old weinie in a closed refrigerator a mile away!!! If it has any fear of a human, it will not come around. It is a frustrating experience, as I had to de

Re: [Blackbelly] Mountain Lion

2012-06-19 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I do not know what state you are in, but , Call Animal Damage Control. They are paid by federal funds and usually in your department of Agriculture. File a report about your losses and document the losses with pictures. If you get a chance to trap or shoot or just run this one over, then

Re: [Blackbelly] Bottle Jaw

2012-06-01 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Safeguard brand of panacur is pellets that you mix with feed. There is also panacur liquid that you can use as a drench, about 3-5 cc per grown animal. Cecil in oKla On 6/1/2012 6:30 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2012, Cecil R Bearden wrote: Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:59:58

Re: [Blackbelly] Bottle Jaw

2012-06-01 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I would use safegaurd (panacur) at the same dosage rate or a little more than that listed for cattle. You can put it in the feed. If any appear to not respond after about 4 to 5 days then I would use oral ivomec on those. Then 10 to `14 days later, I would worm again with the safeguard. Ag

Re: [Blackbelly] Mothering ability

2012-05-11 Thread Cecil R Bearden
My dad made a halter out of some flat nylon woven strapping for a ewe that would not take her lambs. We tied her to the pen and p;ut hay and water within reach and in 3 days she took her lambs. We supplemented the lambs with bottle feeding also. She had triplets. When she did it again the n

Re: [Blackbelly] Have Pet ABB Weather - Can we trim horns?

2012-04-22 Thread Cecil R Bearden
A coarse sanding belt or shop roll can slip between horn and face and sand down the horn for some clearance Cecil in OKla On 4/21/2012 11:23 PM, Lucinda wrote: Yes you can sand/ trim a few inches usually Sent with Lucindas ipod On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:16 PM, atwoo...@aol.com wrote: I search

Re: [Blackbelly] Limping ewe

2012-03-09 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Michael: As a preventative, I would find a Boitin or Vitamin H supplement and use it for a while. It will toughen up those hoofs and stop the splitting. Cecil in OKla On 3/9/2012 1:21 PM, Michael Smith wrote: OK so here's the results; front hoof limp: In her case I took Marks' advice to r

Re: [Blackbelly] Limping ewe

2012-03-07 Thread Cecil R Bearden
A few years ago we were having a streak of very wet weather. My ewes started acting as if their feet were sore. I fed them Vitamin H or Biotin as a supplement and in about 3 days it went away. Biotin helps strengthen hoofs, It couls not hurt. Clovite is a good supplement that has Biotin.

Re: [Blackbelly] Limping ewe

2012-03-06 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Just a note: 'I hardly ever inject IM, I inject Subcutaneously. Just pinch up a little tent of skin and inject into it. Be sure to get completely under the skin, between the layers of skin is very painful and will develop a nodule. IM will also make a nodule... Subcu is easier on the ani

Re: [Blackbelly] Limping ewe

2012-03-06 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Michael: I have an old ewe that started limping about 3 years ago for no reason. She still limps and has 2 lambs now. I would get a bottle of Banamine and use the dosage same as cattle. Cecil in oKla On 3/6/2012 4:23 PM, Michael Smith wrote: Could use some advice on what to look for here.

Re: [Blackbelly] Giving Birth

2012-03-03 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Liz: I have routinely done most of what you have suggested except the iodized salt. I keep mineral salt blocks out and they seem to work well. This is not an inbred problem, I believe it is a drought problem. It is possible that these animals know more about the next years weather than we d

Re: [Blackbelly] Giving Birth predator alerts

2012-03-03 Thread Cecil R Bearden
milk so she doesn't stop her milk production. I'll be doing this every hour and a half through the night and tomorrow. Nancy L. Johnson imgr8a...@comcast.net cell: 301 440 4808 - Original Message - From: "Cecil R Bearden" To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.inf

Re: [Blackbelly] Giving Birth

2012-03-02 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I have had more troubled experiences this lambing than ever before. My ewes were too fat. I was supplementing them and had hay out 24/7. They just do not have the milk production they should have had. I had green pasture for them to graze on until the last2 months of pregnancy. When I had

Re: [Blackbelly] bottle lamb

2012-02-29 Thread Cecil R Bearden
couldn't save her. She didn't have any signs of anything wrong at all it just hit her and that was it. Good luck. Nancy Quoting Cecil R Bearden : Feel his belly on HIS left side see if it feels full. If so massage it and rub from legs to head on his left side gently in long stro

Re: [Blackbelly] bottle lamb

2012-02-29 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Feel his belly on HIS left side see if it feels full. If so massage it and rub from legs to head on his left side gently in long strokes 3 or 4 times and listen for a burp. If no burp, he might be bloated. Possibly from not getting enough colostrum. I add colustrum to my bottle fed babies f

Re: [Blackbelly] lamb disappeared

2012-02-02 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I have lost a lamb in a larger pasture, and it weighed about 7 lbs. I finally concluded it was to hawks. I have good anecdotal evidence that a hawk can pick up a 15lb poodle. Cecil in oKla On 2/1/2012 4:47 PM, RAY DE SA wrote: Hi Jerry, Here in California I've lost bigger ABB lambs to coyot

Re: [Blackbelly] was Copper/trace minerals. and a NOW poll

2012-01-03 Thread Cecil R Bearden
It appears that this is a legitimate poll, and these folks really need our help as fellow livestock owners and breeders and pet owners. We have had the same type of problem here in OK with humane organizations trying to tell a donkey rescue org how to care of their animals. I am not a Donkey

Re: [Blackbelly] Fact or Fiction?

2011-11-22 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I feed dried distillers grains pelleted. During lambing season I feed late in the evening. My ewes Usually have lambs between 5 and 9 am the next morning. This works for cattle, and seems to work for sheep. As I said earlier, every lambing is the same only different!!! Welcome to the wonder

Re: [Blackbelly] Pregnant Ewes

2011-11-22 Thread Cecil R Bearden
I should have probably explained my statement about bloat and ketosis better. I have one ewe who has enormous lambs every time. She had twin lambs that were so large that her stomach was full with only a small amount of feed. This caused a bloat condition as she did not have enough roughag

Re: [Blackbelly] Pregnant Ewes

2011-11-22 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Welcome to the list. Katahdin sheep are not that different to Blackbellies. You'll fit in just fine. My 15 years of experience has been that every lambing is the same but different. Is this bowling ball on the right side or the left. It should be on the right side. The rumen occupies the

Re: [Blackbelly] hay

2011-10-24 Thread Cecil R Bearden
In defense of the farmer that sold you the hay, it is extremely difficult to get an accurate weight on round bales of hay. In the same field, I have found as much as 300 lbs difference between hay bales. While there are some out there who are taking full advantage of the plight of farmers and

Re: [Blackbelly] Alfalfa pellets/cubes

2011-10-23 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Carol: I also tried cubes but found that the sheep would only nibble at them. it The fibers are too processed in the cubes, then I would have to assume that the pellets would not be any better, only worse. I only feed alfalfa to my flock when the weather is extremely cold. They will founder

Re: [Blackbelly] Selenium

2011-10-18 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Whenever I have tried to make their situation better, by feeding a supplement tub, vitamin shot, extra minerals, etc. it resulted in a dead sheep. If I just make sure they have salt and mineral salt available, and a bale of hay in their pen at night to munch on, and periodic worming, they do j

Re: [Blackbelly] Pipestone Vet's ad about not feeding sheep mineral

2011-10-12 Thread Cecil R Bearden
A few years back I killed about 17 lambs with selenium shots. If your soil or water has selenium in it, I would not even consider feeding any selenium supplement. Selenium is another heavy metal just like arsenic. A lot of feeds are supplemented with selenium so that it can be sent anywhere

Re: [Blackbelly] Tired of losing sheep to coyotes

2011-09-09 Thread Cecil R Bearden
On 9/9/2011 4:42 AM, stewart wrote: to all, can anyone suggest the best way to protect my sheep from coyotes? i work the late shift and the last two morning when i get home i find a dead sheep. i have field fence as a barrier. spent a few hours thursday making certain no holes or spots the coyo

Re: [Blackbelly] fenced area needed in Guymon Oklahoma for sheep transfer

2011-09-07 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Carol: Try the contacts listed on this website. You could pull into the rodeo arena and be assured that nothing will get out http://www.guymoncofc.org/pioneerdays.htm Cecil in OK On 9/6/2011 6:14 PM, Carol Elkins wrote: I will be swapping some sheep with a person and we plan to meet hal

Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep

2011-09-06 Thread Cecil R Bearden
Livestock Concepts has an Ivermectin wormer that is mixed in the feed, also a panacur based wormer that is feed mixed. Use the dose for the 7 day treatment for hogs, but only use it once and then 2 weeks later. Then inject the ones that appear to still have worms. This works great, ans saves

Re: [Blackbelly] Sick Sheep

2011-09-06 Thread Cecil R Bearden
If your sheep are on lush grass and you are feeding them alfalfa pellets and also some grain, they are getting too much feed... This sounds like a rich ration, and sheep are used to foraging on lower grade grasses. I had this problem when I put out molasses tubs and the grass was lush. I los