Re: [Blackbelly] Dumb lamb
I have used Mentholatum or Vicks on the ewe's nose and on the lambs back to get them to take a lamb. It might work in reverse. You might try some around the lambs nose, and then rub some on the ewe's legs or her belly so the lamb will recognize her. Cecil in OKla On 9/22/2013 9:42 PM, Mark Wintermute wrote: You have a bottle baby If the momma is sincere in wanting this lamb and trying to feed it I would keep them together and supplement with a bottle. I have raised several triplets in this manner. One momma just could not milk enough to feed the babies enough but could do everything else. It worked out that she could take care of the babies while I was away at work. I would feed them morning and night. I was taking them away from the ewe to my garage so that I could feed them at night and the morning. Then I would return them to the momma as I left for work in the morning. By that time her milk bag would have enough milk to get them through the day. Once the lambs were big enough I set up a 5 gallon bucket with nipples on it and they self fed throughout the day. I have had lambs separated from their mom at birth that simply do not recognize who their mom is. It is frustrating to say the least. Good luck, Mark -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of SHession Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:24 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Cc: Greg Hession Subject: [Blackbelly] Dumb lamb I have a ram lamb that was born last Saturday (Sept 14). From the beginning he wasn't right. He was born in the barn sometime between 2 AM and 7AM. When I found him he was dried off, but had managed to get in behind the lambing jug, and was stuck back there, inaccessible to Mom. I got him out and put him and the ewe in the jug. Within the hour he had gotten hung up between the bottom two boards of the jug, and in the bail of the water bucket. He had a good suckle reflex, but lacked the reflex to try and find the teat. I milked ewe and got some colostrum into him. I have continued to bottle feed him small quantities of colostrum, and now goat's milk, while leaving him with his mother. She has been wonderful and attentive, and very cooperative, letting me milk her and also hold him on her teats. I have squirted milk in his mouth from her teat. Still can't get him to nurse. Up until today he was only taking one or two ounces of milk from the bottle two or three times daily. I still have to pry his mouth open to get the nipple in. I was hoping that he would get hungry enough to figure out the real milk source. About an hour ago I went into the barn and Mom leaped out to the jug. I tried letting him outside with her under supervision, but he just wandered off, and didn't respond to her calls. He did urinate, which surprised me - didn't think he was getting enough, although he doesn't seem dehydrated. He's in the house now , and taking the bottle somewhat better - just drank 4 ounces. I know that is nowhere near enough, and he has lost significant weight from his birth weight. Has anyone else dealt with this sort of situation? Is there any point in putting him back with Mom? I am surprised he is still alive, and wonder if he is or was actually getting some small amount of milk from Mom. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Sandy Hession ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6688 - Release Date: 09/21/13 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Dumb lamb
Dear Sandy, I have only empathy for you and your ram lamb. Itis so, so hard to watch almost helplessly. I have been doing my home work RE: your Ewe Sunshine. I have a list of all the ewes sunshine could be as well as the sires and dams. Right now I've narrowed it down to three groups from October of 2012 which would make the ewe you got under the name Sunshine who should have been 11 months old only 4.5 months old hence the primary dentition, etc. Frick wouold be the sire of your lamb from your Sunshine for sure as he was the only one active in the correct time frame. We had no rams on the loose or mixtures of ewes with rams or ram lambs in with the ewes after age 3.5 months. I have a bunch of back tracking to do but as It comes along I will keep you advised. Who ever this ewe lamb is (Sunshine) she came from a registered sire and dam. The Sires are either Zapdaddy CJE06102210BB, Hunk RE705112425BB or Trent Ham08102129BB. I'll get back with you in a couple of days. I've started the fall slaughter so I'll be inspecting each ewe closely and also checking out the lost tag/replaced tag notes I have. Best Wishes for you and your Ram lamb, Doc On Sun, 9/22/13, SHession slhess...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [Blackbelly] Dumb lamb To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Cc: Greg Hession greg.hess...@massoutrage.com Date: Sunday, September 22, 2013, 12:24 PM I have a ram lamb that was born last Saturday (Sept 14). From the beginning he wasn't right. He was born in the barn sometime between 2 AM and 7AM. When I found him he was dried off, but had managed to get in behind the lambing jug, and was stuck back there, inaccessible to Mom. I got him out and put him and the ewe in the jug. Within the hour he had gotten hung up between the bottom two boards of the jug, and in the bail of the water bucket. He had a good suckle reflex, but lacked the reflex to try and find the teat. I milked ewe and got some colostrum into him. I have continued to bottle feed him small quantities of colostrum, and now goat's milk, while leaving him with his mother. She has been wonderful and attentive, and very cooperative, letting me milk her and also hold him on her teats. I have squirted milk in his mouth from her teat. Still can't get him to nurse. Up until today he was only taking one or two ounces of milk from the bottle two or three times daily. I still have to pry his mouth open to get the nipple in. I was hoping that he would get hungry enough to figure out the real milk source. About an hour ago I went into the barn and Mom leaped out to the jug. I tried letting him outside with her under supervision, but he just wandered off, and didn't respond to her calls. He did urinate, which surprised me - didn't think he was getting enough, although he doesn't seem dehydrated. He's in the house now , and taking the bottle somewhat better - just drank 4 ounces. I know that is nowhere near enough, and he has lost significant weight from his birth weight. Has anyone else dealt with this sort of situation? Is there any point in putting him back with Mom? I am surprised he is still alive, and wonder if he is or was actually getting some small amount of milk from Mom. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Sandy Hession ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Dumb lamb
Hi Sandy, I had the opposite problem. I had a little ram lamb that wanted mama desperately and mama only had eyes for his twin sister. I put them together, and she totally ignored him. It got to the point, where he started looking hunched over and very thin, so I decided just to bottle feed him. This little ram lamb was supposedly a cross from my AB ram that got loose, so i had him castrated. If I had waited another day or two he would have died. He didn't drink much at first, but after he got his appetite and realized that he was getting to eat, he came a running. To this day, he is the only one out of 4 ram lambs that were born that did not develop even a hint of scurs and he is THE MOST BEAUTIFUL LAMB!! I really wish now that I had had him DNA tested against my BB ram. But if you are in doubt and want him to live, bottle feed him. I hope everything else is going well. This should be the worst of your issues along this road. Nancy On Sep 22, 2013, at 3:24 PM, SHession wrote: I have a ram lamb that was born last Saturday (Sept 14). From the beginning he wasn't right. He was born in the barn sometime between 2 AM and 7AM. When I found him he was dried off, but had managed to get in behind the lambing jug, and was stuck back there, inaccessible to Mom. I got him out and put him and the ewe in the jug. Within the hour he had gotten hung up between the bottom two boards of the jug, and in the bail of the water bucket. He had a good suckle reflex, but lacked the reflex to try and find the teat. I milked ewe and got some colostrum into him. I have continued to bottle feed him small quantities of colostrum, and now goat's milk, while leaving him with his mother. She has been wonderful and attentive, and very cooperative, letting me milk her and also hold him on her teats. I have squirted milk in his mouth from her teat. Still can't get him to nurse. Up until today he was only taking one or two ounces of milk from the bottle two or three times daily. I still have to pry his mouth open to get the nipple in. I was hoping that he would get hungry enough to figure out the real milk source. About an hour ago I went into the barn and Mom leaped out to the jug. I tried letting him outside with her under supervision, but he just wandered off, and didn't respond to her calls. He did urinate, which surprised me - didn't think he was getting enough, although he doesn't seem dehydrated. He's in the house now , and taking the bottle somewhat better - just drank 4 ounces. I know that is nowhere near enough, and he has lost significant weight from his birth weight. Has anyone else dealt with this sort of situation? Is there any point in putting him back with Mom? I am surprised he is still alive, and wonder if he is or was actually getting some small amount of milk from Mom. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Sandy Hession ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Dumb lamb
Thanks to all who have given feedback on this little lamb. He seems to be doing better with the regular bottle feedings, and is much stronger today. Since I have goats, he is getting goat milk, and seems to be doing well on it. Guess I'll have to accept that I have a bottle baby. Nancy - I wonder if wethering your ram lamb had something to do with his not developing scurs. Sandy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Dumb lamb
I have a ram lamb that was born last Saturday (Sept 14). From the beginning he wasn't right. He was born in the barn sometime between 2 AM and 7AM. When I found him he was dried off, but had managed to get in behind the lambing jug, and was stuck back there, inaccessible to Mom. I got him out and put him and the ewe in the jug. Within the hour he had gotten hung up between the bottom two boards of the jug, and in the bail of the water bucket. He had a good suckle reflex, but lacked the reflex to try and find the teat. I milked ewe and got some colostrum into him. I have continued to bottle feed him small quantities of colostrum, and now goat's milk, while leaving him with his mother. She has been wonderful and attentive, and very cooperative, letting me milk her and also hold him on her teats. I have squirted milk in his mouth from her teat. Still can't get him to nurse. Up until today he was only taking one or two ounces of milk from the bottle two or three times daily. I still have to pry his mouth open to get the nipple in. I was hoping that he would get hungry enough to figure out the real milk source. About an hour ago I went into the barn and Mom leaped out to the jug. I tried letting him outside with her under supervision, but he just wandered off, and didn't respond to her calls. He did urinate, which surprised me - didn't think he was getting enough, although he doesn't seem dehydrated. He's in the house now , and taking the bottle somewhat better - just drank 4 ounces. I know that is nowhere near enough, and he has lost significant weight from his birth weight. Has anyone else dealt with this sort of situation? Is there any point in putting him back with Mom? I am surprised he is still alive, and wonder if he is or was actually getting some small amount of milk from Mom. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Sandy Hession ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
