Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas
A couple of thoughts on this. I have used 4 x 8 sheets in my daughters attic for storage. I rip them into 2 x 8 pieces which fit up most holes or you need to enlargge the hole to this size or you will not be able to get much of anything up there. In my garage I have made a hinged access door in the gable end outside to be able to get things in the attic. The sheet good I use is 1/2 or 15/32 chipboard roof sheathing screwed dowm with 1 1/4 inch drywall screws if you are afraid of jiggling the ceiling or 6 penney common nails will work. These sheets are lain at right angles to the joists. I put the smooth side up for easier sliding of cardboard boxes. Ron - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas I'm in the same situation as I find that the insolation in my attic must be under done. I thought of 2x 8 ft halves of ply but crossing that 20x 14 ft above the livingroom was nearly doomed to crack plaster while I lay out bats of insolation. How do we cover this? for material and personal safety? On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Shawn Keen wrote: Okay, I had another look. What do they have for a floor up there now? a board that's probably about 3 foot wide and 8 feet long. that's a guestament. the beams up there are 2 by 8. Only the space just beyond the ladder and too the air conditioning unit is covered right now. Generally you wouldn't be able to get sheets of plywood up through the trap door so you will need to use plank construction. One trouble though is nailing, the joists are probably only 2 by 4 and not rigid enough, hammering and moving about particularly over wider spans like a living room will probably cause movement and cracks in the ceiling plaster or screws or nails to pop. Just guessing but I think the beams up there are about 3 feet apart. I didn't look at all of them but the ones around the opening were. You could screw or use a power nailer. Oh for-sure, . grin screws all the way. Guess I'll be making a trip to home depot next weekend. I just want to get a surface to walk on in place then I can tackle the rest of it. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 8/5/06 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas
Just so I am using the right terminology are Joist the 2 by 8 boards that go across the sealing or the floor of the attic.? Also what are partitions? - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas The joists then are probably on 24 inch centers. Depending a little on how many partitions are under, 2 by 8 should be quite good. Commonly the sub floor is made of tongue and grooved 5/8th plywood which comes in 4 by 8 foot sheets. I doubt you will be able to get them through the trap door. You may be able to buy planks of ship which has a rabbet along the edges which you nail through to the joist overlapping each piece. You may even be able to buy tongue groove. Traditionally such planks are nailed down diagonally across the joists. If you are going to live in the space then you will either want to bring heat into it or remove the insulation to permit heat to rise into the space. You will then want to keep that heat from contacting the under side of the roof decking unless you live in a moderate climate. Because there is an air conditioner I am guessing you will want to insulate against heat on the roof from heating that space, either way you will need to maintain air circulation under the roof decking. You can leave the insulation over the ceiling for it's sound properties and if you are just using the space for storage then it won't matter much. You may like to bring some more electricity up there, lots of people like to run a radio shack from their attic or model trains, things like that. Have fun! Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas Okay, I had another look. What do they have for a floor up there now? a board that's probably about 3 foot wide and 8 feet long. that's a guestament. the beams up there are 2 by 8. Only the space just beyond the ladder and too the air conditioning unit is covered right now. Generally you wouldn't be able to get sheets of plywood up through the trap door so you will need to use plank construction. One trouble though is nailing, the joists are probably only 2 by 4 and not rigid enough, hammering and moving about particularly over wider spans like a living room will probably cause movement and cracks in the ceiling plaster or screws or nails to pop. Just guessing but I think the beams up there are about 3 feet apart. I didn't look at all of them but the ones around the opening were. You could screw or use a power nailer. Oh for-sure, . grin screws all the way. Guess I'll be making a trip to home depot next weekend. I just want to get a surface to walk on in place then I can tackle the rest of it. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 4/08/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 8/5/2006 To listen
Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas
If you are able to get a couple of planks up there, three quarters plywood or 2 by 8 or 2 by 10 planks so you can get your weight well distributed across five or six of the 2 by 4 stringers should work fine. You won't come through the ceiling so long as you stay on the planks and by distributing your weight over several of the joists, say 6 at a time a 200 pound man is only applying about 34 lb. per joist. There are probably additional slopers if this is a truss based roof which are also relieving some of the load. If there is already insulation filling the bays I suggest you run the additional insulation bats across the joists to further fill over any gaps and further limit thermal bridging through the joists. Don't forget to leave ventilation space at the eves so air can flow up over the underside of the roof decking Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas I'm in the same situation as I find that the insolation in my attic must be under done. I thought of 2x 8 ft halves of ply but crossing that 20x 14 ft above the livingroom was nearly doomed to crack plaster while I lay out bats of insolation. How do we cover this? for material and personal safety? On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Shawn Keen wrote: Okay, I had another look. What do they have for a floor up there now? a board that's probably about 3 foot wide and 8 feet long. that's a guestament. the beams up there are 2 by 8. Only the space just beyond the ladder and too the air conditioning unit is covered right now. Generally you wouldn't be able to get sheets of plywood up through the trap door so you will need to use plank construction. One trouble though is nailing, the joists are probably only 2 by 4 and not rigid enough, hammering and moving about particularly over wider spans like a living room will probably cause movement and cracks in the ceiling plaster or screws or nails to pop. Just guessing but I think the beams up there are about 3 feet apart. I didn't look at all of them but the ones around the opening were. You could screw or use a power nailer. Oh for-sure, . grin screws all the way. Guess I'll be making a trip to home depot next weekend. I just want to get a surface to walk on in place then I can tackle the rest of it. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 4/08/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just
Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas
Joists refer to horizontal structural members. They are the planks set on edge under a floor or over a ceiling. It gets a little complicated because when talking of a roof frame, the more or less triangular structures now commonly used and known as trusses will call the horizontal members stringers or something else. It is very unusual to have 2 by 8 as the joists over a ceiling except between the stories of a multi-storied home and usually those will be 2 by 10 or more. In a ceiling, 24 inch centres are not unusual even with 2 by 4 construction and these days with engineered trusses there may not even be 2 by 4. Partitions are the walls which separate rooms. The wall between kitchen and livingroom usually provides support for a ceiling particularly if it runs perpendicular to the ceiling joists. Often they are weight bearing walls and should not be removed or if modified, should be reinforced across the tops of doors to help support the weight above. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas Just so I am using the right terminology are Joist the 2 by 8 boards that go across the sealing or the floor of the attic.? Also what are partitions? - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas The joists then are probably on 24 inch centers. Depending a little on how many partitions are under, 2 by 8 should be quite good. Commonly the sub floor is made of tongue and grooved 5/8th plywood which comes in 4 by 8 foot sheets. I doubt you will be able to get them through the trap door. You may be able to buy planks of ship which has a rabbet along the edges which you nail through to the joist overlapping each piece. You may even be able to buy tongue groove. Traditionally such planks are nailed down diagonally across the joists. If you are going to live in the space then you will either want to bring heat into it or remove the insulation to permit heat to rise into the space. You will then want to keep that heat from contacting the under side of the roof decking unless you live in a moderate climate. Because there is an air conditioner I am guessing you will want to insulate against heat on the roof from heating that space, either way you will need to maintain air circulation under the roof decking. You can leave the insulation over the ceiling for it's sound properties and if you are just using the space for storage then it won't matter much. You may like to bring some more electricity up there, lots of people like to run a radio shack from their attic or model trains, things like that. Have fun! Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas Okay, I had another look. What do they have for a floor up there now? a board that's probably about 3 foot wide and 8 feet long. that's a guestament. the beams up there are 2 by 8. Only the space just beyond the ladder and too the air conditioning unit is covered right now. Generally you wouldn't be able to get sheets of plywood up through the trap door so you will need to use plank construction. One trouble though is nailing, the joists are probably only 2 by 4 and not rigid enough, hammering and moving about particularly over wider spans like a living room will probably cause movement and cracks in the ceiling plaster or screws or nails to pop. Just guessing but I think the beams up there are about 3 feet apart. I didn't look at all of them but the ones around the opening were. You could screw or use a power nailer. Oh for-sure, . grin screws all the way. Guess I'll be making a trip to home depot next weekend. I just want to get a surface to walk on in place then I can tackle the rest of it. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http
Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas
I see, thanks for the information. This home was built in 1941. back in the time in the U.S when things were built to last! Not acording to who the cheapist contracter was. I'll have to ask my neighbor but I bet his home is the same way with the 2 by 8's. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas Joists refer to horizontal structural members. They are the planks set on edge under a floor or over a ceiling. It gets a little complicated because when talking of a roof frame, the more or less triangular structures now commonly used and known as trusses will call the horizontal members stringers or something else. It is very unusual to have 2 by 8 as the joists over a ceiling except between the stories of a multi-storied home and usually those will be 2 by 10 or more. In a ceiling, 24 inch centres are not unusual even with 2 by 4 construction and these days with engineered trusses there may not even be 2 by 4. Partitions are the walls which separate rooms. The wall between kitchen and livingroom usually provides support for a ceiling particularly if it runs perpendicular to the ceiling joists. Often they are weight bearing walls and should not be removed or if modified, should be reinforced across the tops of doors to help support the weight above. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas Just so I am using the right terminology are Joist the 2 by 8 boards that go across the sealing or the floor of the attic.? Also what are partitions? - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas The joists then are probably on 24 inch centers. Depending a little on how many partitions are under, 2 by 8 should be quite good. Commonly the sub floor is made of tongue and grooved 5/8th plywood which comes in 4 by 8 foot sheets. I doubt you will be able to get them through the trap door. You may be able to buy planks of ship which has a rabbet along the edges which you nail through to the joist overlapping each piece. You may even be able to buy tongue groove. Traditionally such planks are nailed down diagonally across the joists. If you are going to live in the space then you will either want to bring heat into it or remove the insulation to permit heat to rise into the space. You will then want to keep that heat from contacting the under side of the roof decking unless you live in a moderate climate. Because there is an air conditioner I am guessing you will want to insulate against heat on the roof from heating that space, either way you will need to maintain air circulation under the roof decking. You can leave the insulation over the ceiling for it's sound properties and if you are just using the space for storage then it won't matter much. You may like to bring some more electricity up there, lots of people like to run a radio shack from their attic or model trains, things like that. Have fun! Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas Okay, I had another look. What do they have for a floor up there now? a board that's probably about 3 foot wide and 8 feet long. that's a guestament. the beams up there are 2 by 8. Only the space just beyond the ladder and too the air conditioning unit is covered right now. Generally you wouldn't be able to get sheets of plywood up through the trap door so you will need to use plank construction. One trouble though is nailing, the joists are probably only 2 by 4 and not rigid enough, hammering and moving about particularly over wider spans like a living room will probably cause movement and cracks in the ceiling plaster or screws or nails to pop. Just guessing but I think the beams up there are about 3 feet apart. I didn't look at all of them but the ones around the opening were. You could screw or use a power nailer. Oh for-sure, . grin screws all the way. Guess I'll be making a trip to home depot next weekend. I just want to get a surface to walk on in place then I can tackle the rest of it. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp
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Shawn, Ever give it a thought of putting a window in the gable and bringing up plywood through the opening to cover the floor in the attic? RJ- Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas I see, thanks for the information. This home was built in 1941. back in the time in the U.S when things were built to last! Not acording to who the cheapist contracter was. I'll have to ask my neighbor but I bet his home is the same way with the 2 by 8's. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas Joists refer to horizontal structural members. They are the planks set on edge under a floor or over a ceiling. It gets a little complicated because when talking of a roof frame, the more or less triangular structures now commonly used and known as trusses will call the horizontal members stringers or something else. It is very unusual to have 2 by 8 as the joists over a ceiling except between the stories of a multi-storied home and usually those will be 2 by 10 or more. In a ceiling, 24 inch centres are not unusual even with 2 by 4 construction and these days with engineered trusses there may not even be 2 by 4. Partitions are the walls which separate rooms. The wall between kitchen and livingroom usually provides support for a ceiling particularly if it runs perpendicular to the ceiling joists. Often they are weight bearing walls and should not be removed or if modified, should be reinforced across the tops of doors to help support the weight above. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas Just so I am using the right terminology are Joist the 2 by 8 boards that go across the sealing or the floor of the attic.? Also what are partitions? - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas The joists then are probably on 24 inch centers. Depending a little on how many partitions are under, 2 by 8 should be quite good. Commonly the sub floor is made of tongue and grooved 5/8th plywood which comes in 4 by 8 foot sheets. I doubt you will be able to get them through the trap door. You may be able to buy planks of ship which has a rabbet along the edges which you nail through to the joist overlapping each piece. You may even be able to buy tongue groove. Traditionally such planks are nailed down diagonally across the joists. If you are going to live in the space then you will either want to bring heat into it or remove the insulation to permit heat to rise into the space. You will then want to keep that heat from contacting the under side of the roof decking unless you live in a moderate climate. Because there is an air conditioner I am guessing you will want to insulate against heat on the roof from heating that space, either way you will need to maintain air circulation under the roof decking. You can leave the insulation over the ceiling for it's sound properties and if you are just using the space for storage then it won't matter much. You may like to bring some more electricity up there, lots of people like to run a radio shack from their attic or model trains, things like that. Have fun! Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas Okay, I had another look. What do they have for a floor up there now? a board that's probably about 3 foot wide and 8 feet long. that's a guestament. the beams up there are 2 by 8. Only the space just beyond the ladder and too the air conditioning unit is covered right now. Generally you wouldn't be able to get sheets of plywood up through the trap door so you will need to use plank construction. One trouble though is nailing, the joists are probably only 2 by 4 and not rigid enough, hammering and moving about particularly over wider spans like a living room will probably cause movement and cracks in the ceiling plaster or screws or nails to pop. Just
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It depends on how much work you are up to. If there is a area of the house where you could cut a hole in the ceiling between the ceiling joists, without running into wires or other things, I would floor it with 3/4 4x8. If not, than the expensive tongue and groove is the other choice. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas So many good ideas and not enough time to enact them. I live in this old 1940's built home with a detached garage. It's a single story with an attic. well take that back it has an attic but I'd like to put some floors in up there. Here's what it looks like. You pull the trap door down in the hall and unfold the stairs. when you get up there you have a floored area of about 8 by 8. The rest of it is the beams and insalation that feels like cotten balls. there is a fairly high sealing in there. Someone over 6 foot would have real issues but I can stand up strate in most of it. First things first would be to put in a floor. Crawling from beam to beam isn't all that fun. What kind of wood will I need. do you do something like this in slats or in large peaces? How thick should I go? Do I just leave the insalation where it is and seal it up? I hadn't got far enough in to it to know what I am going to do with it other than storage. The wife thinks it could be large enough to be another room. Putting in stairs would be one heck of a nightmare I imagine but I'm no where near that yet. Just wanted to pick your brains and see what I am getting myself into. Dan you should move down here, There's a house for-sale next door! Just kidding! Shawn To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 8/5/06 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The joists then are probably on 24 inch centers. Depending a little on how many partitions are under, 2 by 8 should be quite good. Commonly the sub floor is made of tongue and grooved 5/8th plywood which comes in 4 by 8 foot sheets. I doubt you will be able to get them through the trap door. You may be able to buy planks of ship which has a rabbet along the edges which you nail through to the joist overlapping each piece. You may even be able to buy tongue groove. Traditionally such planks are nailed down diagonally across the joists. If you are going to live in the space then you will either want to bring heat into it or remove the insulation to permit heat to rise into the space. You will then want to keep that heat from contacting the under side of the roof decking unless you live in a moderate climate. Because there is an air conditioner I am guessing you will want to insulate against heat on the roof from heating that space, either way you will need to maintain air circulation under the roof decking. You can leave the insulation over the ceiling for it's sound properties and if you are just using the space for storage then it won't matter much. You may like to bring some more electricity up there, lots of people like to run a radio shack from their attic or model trains, things like that. Have fun! Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas Okay, I had another look. What do they have for a floor up there now? a board that's probably about 3 foot wide and 8 feet long. that's a guestament. the beams up there are 2 by 8. Only the space just beyond the ladder and too the air conditioning unit is covered right now. Generally you wouldn't be able to get sheets of plywood up through the trap door so you will need to use plank construction. One trouble though is nailing, the joists are probably only 2 by 4 and not rigid enough, hammering and moving about particularly over wider spans like a living room will probably cause movement and cracks in the ceiling plaster or screws or nails to pop. Just guessing but I think the beams up there are about 3 feet apart. I didn't look at all of them but the ones around the opening were. You could screw or use a power nailer. Oh for-sure, . grin screws all the way. Guess I'll be making a trip to home depot next weekend. I just want to get a surface to walk on in place then I can tackle the rest of it. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 4/08/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I'm in the same situation as I find that the insolation in my attic must be under done. I thought of 2x 8 ft halves of ply but crossing that 20x 14 ft above the livingroom was nearly doomed to crack plaster while I lay out bats of insolation. How do we cover this? for material and personal safety? On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Shawn Keen wrote: Okay, I had another look. What do they have for a floor up there now? a board that's probably about 3 foot wide and 8 feet long. that's a guestament. the beams up there are 2 by 8. Only the space just beyond the ladder and too the air conditioning unit is covered right now. Generally you wouldn't be able to get sheets of plywood up through the trap door so you will need to use plank construction. One trouble though is nailing, the joists are probably only 2 by 4 and not rigid enough, hammering and moving about particularly over wider spans like a living room will probably cause movement and cracks in the ceiling plaster or screws or nails to pop. Just guessing but I think the beams up there are about 3 feet apart. I didn't look at all of them but the ones around the opening were. You could screw or use a power nailer. Oh for-sure, . grin screws all the way. Guess I'll be making a trip to home depot next weekend. I just want to get a surface to walk on in place then I can tackle the rest of it. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
