Re: bash undocumented syntax error
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: file integrity checking when the time is right. Here's some code: #!/usr/bin/env bash # file: getslint.sh - download latest slint iso. if [ -f wget-log ]; rm wget-log It looks like you solved this, but I believe this should be (it's been awhile since I've done this): if [ -f wget-log ] then rm wget-log fi for a one-liner like this, you could just as easily write: [ -f wget-log ] && rm wget-log or test -f wget-log && rm wget-log wget -bc --tries=inf --max-redirect=1 --trust-server-names https://sourceforge.net/projects/slint/files/latest/download until [ tail -2 wget-log|grep "saved" ]; do sleep 5 done sha256sum -c slint64-14.2.1.1.sha256sum NOt sure exactly why you're doing this. It looks like you're putting wget in the background, then waiting around until it finishes. So why background it at all? Cheers, Geoff. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: bash undocumented syntax error
Hi Jeff, On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 18:44:14 + Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Yeah, an error of this type is hard enough to debug when you have > access to the buggy code. Debugging from the error message alone is > nearly impossible in cases like this. > > I will mention, however, that bash, and many other shells/scripting > languages, aren't picky about single quotes versus double quotes in > general, but can be quite picky that they're used consistently. E.g. > if you start a string literal with single quotes, you'd better end it > with single quotes, and if you start it with double quotes, you'd > better end it with double quotes, but bash probably doesn't care which > you use as long as the beginning and ending delimiters are the same. > see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6697753/difference-between-single-and-double-quotes-in-bash - they have different semantics. > Probably about the best advice I can give without examining the code directly. > > -Jeff > > On 1/13/19, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > >> The man page has nothing on unexpected end of file in it; searching for > >> unexpected in that man page provides no mention of unexpected. > > > > Possibly I've missed the context for this if it's a new thread resulting > > from a previous one (I am not up-to-date on this list). > > > > The error seems pretty self-explanatory. Bash expected more input when it > > reached the end. > > > > I would expect that it was either looking for a closing quote (single or > > double) or a closing bracket of some sort. > > > > what are you trying to do? > > > > Cheers, > > Geoff. > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ The Case for File Swapping - http://shlom.in/file-swap Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on FTP, and let the rest of the world mirror it. — https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
undocumented bash error
a couple picnics problems here. Original failure was on first if construct. If I can get the while construct working I'll have something useful for sourceforge.net when bsd tag files exist for isos. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: bash undocumented syntax error
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 13:08:06 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: Linux for blind general discussion > Subject: Re: bash undocumented syntax error file integrity checking when the time is right. Here's some code: #!/usr/bin/env bash # file: getslint.sh - download latest slint iso. if [ -f wget-log ]; rm wget-log wget -bc --tries=inf --max-redirect=1 --trust-server-names https://sourceforge.net/projects/slint/files/latest/download until [ tail -2 wget-log|grep "saved" ]; do sleep 5 done sha256sum -c slint64-14.2.1.1.sha256sum > > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > The man page has nothing on unexpected end of file in it; searching for > > unexpected in that man page provides no mention of unexpected. > > Possibly I've missed the context for this if it's a new thread resulting from > a previous one (I am not up-to-date on this list). > > The error seems pretty self-explanatory. Bash expected more input when it > reached the end. > > I would expect that it was either looking for a closing quote (single or > double) or a closing bracket of some sort. > > what are you trying to do? > > Cheers, > Geoff. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: bash undocumented syntax error
Yeah, an error of this type is hard enough to debug when you have access to the buggy code. Debugging from the error message alone is nearly impossible in cases like this. I will mention, however, that bash, and many other shells/scripting languages, aren't picky about single quotes versus double quotes in general, but can be quite picky that they're used consistently. E.g. if you start a string literal with single quotes, you'd better end it with single quotes, and if you start it with double quotes, you'd better end it with double quotes, but bash probably doesn't care which you use as long as the beginning and ending delimiters are the same. Probably about the best advice I can give without examining the code directly. -Jeff On 1/13/19, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> The man page has nothing on unexpected end of file in it; searching for >> unexpected in that man page provides no mention of unexpected. > > Possibly I've missed the context for this if it's a new thread resulting > from a previous one (I am not up-to-date on this list). > > The error seems pretty self-explanatory. Bash expected more input when it > reached the end. > > I would expect that it was either looking for a closing quote (single or > double) or a closing bracket of some sort. > > what are you trying to do? > > Cheers, > Geoff. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Pandoc and links as endnotes
Hi everyone, In the past I have seen e-mails where references are numbered in the main body of the text, like this(1), and the URL or bibliographical information of that reference is placed at the end of the email body with the right number of course. I have tried to achieve this links-as-notes effect using pandoc and exporting markdown to txt, as well as markdown to rst, and neither of these options generate links as endnotes as described above. This is despite the fact that I tried using -V links-as-notes=true. Can anybody tell me how they do this with pandoc or some other straightforward application? Thanks, Fernando (1) Example reference endnote. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: bash undocumented syntax error
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: The man page has nothing on unexpected end of file in it; searching for unexpected in that man page provides no mention of unexpected. Possibly I've missed the context for this if it's a new thread resulting from a previous one (I am not up-to-date on this list). The error seems pretty self-explanatory. Bash expected more input when it reached the end. I would expect that it was either looking for a closing quote (single or double) or a closing bracket of some sort. what are you trying to do? Cheers, Geoff. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
bash undocumented syntax error
The man page has nothing on unexpected end of file in it; searching for unexpected in that man page provides no mention of unexpected. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Orca does not speak
I don't run Mate, but "screen-reader --replace" is unrecognized on my system. I use "orca --replace" to restart Orca. On 1/13/19 9:16 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: It forces a restart of screen-reader after screen-reader is shut down. On Sun, 13 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:32:05 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: Orca does not speak Interesting, What does: screen-reader --replace do? Please explain. Linux for blind general discussion writes: First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4 just once. Then try running screen-reader --replace and see what happens. That f4 key toggles accessibility on and off so only hit it once and that should help. On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:09:04 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Orca does not speak Hello everyone,. I finally have maid installed on my arch system. It looks different than ubuntu Nate because it does not have many applications on it. The major problem I am having is that orca does not speak. Espeakup in the command line works but as soon as I go into Nate orca although turned on does not work. Anyone have ideas in how to fix it. An help would be appreciated. Sincerely, Michael maslo ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Christopher (CJ) Chaltain at Gmail ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Novice Document on Iptables/Netfilter
I've turned my linux box into a simple router, but I would like to know about how netfilter and iptables work. Can I get a link to a novice-oriented document that explains it all? Everything I've found assumes you know a lot already, and doesn't explain terms used and such. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Orca does not speak
I wonder if lightdm could be causing problems. I know when I had orca running in mate on archlinux I used gdm and disabled lightdm. To have gdm, you'll need to install the gdm package. The canonical graphical user interface tutorial podcast for archlinux hasn't been done yet for some reason. It was something that was going to be done by the person who did the original talkingarch install tutorial podcast but hasn't been done yet. We haven't got a similar podcast for an accessible install of gentoo even just to the command line interface environment yet either. On Sun, 13 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:32:05 > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: Linux for blind general discussion > Subject: Re: Orca does not speak > > Interesting, What does: > > screen-reader --replace > > do? Please explain. > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4 > > just once. Then try running screen-reader --replace and see > > what happens. That f4 key toggles accessibility on and off so only hit > > it once and that should help. > > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:09:04 > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > > Subject: Orca does not speak > > > > > > Hello everyone,. I finally have maid installed on my arch system. It > > > looks different than ubuntu Nate because it does not have many > > > applications on it. The major problem I am having is that orca does not > > > speak. Espeakup in the command line works but as soon as I go into Nate > > > orca although turned on does not work. Anyone have ideas in how to fix it. > > > > > > An help would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Michael maslo > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Orca does not speak
It depend on which distribution, Janina. On Slint you can have speech with espeakup and using Orca in a graphical environment like Mate. IIRC this is also true for Vinux. So, all depends on the settings of speech-dispatcher, Alsa and PulseAudio. Didier On 13/01/2019 13:33, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > And, you may need to figure out how to have both espeakup and > speech-dispatcher working at the same time. In my experience they don't > like each other very much. > > It's an old argument we keep having on this, and many related Linux > lists. Sad, but true. > > Janina > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: >> You may need to install speechdispatcher so screen-reader/orca can use >> it to speak. >> >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:20:53 >>> From: Linux for blind general discussion >>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com >>> Subject: Re: Orca does not speak >>> >>> Hello, >>> I tried and installed both mate and gnone. I signed into both desktop and >>> had no speech. I verified with my son that orca was turned on. The volume >>> sound is heard but orca has no sound. >>> >>> How do I fix this problem? >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Michael maslo >>> On Jan 11, 2019, at 18:44, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: With should I install mate - extra group or just Nate - extra? I installed Nate extra already.. Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Jan 11, 2019, at 18:34, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4 > just once. Then try running screen-reader --replace and see > what happens. That f4 key toggles accessibility on and off so only hit > it once and that should help. > >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:09:04 >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com >> Subject: Orca does not speak >> >> Hello everyone,. I finally have maid installed on my arch system. It >> looks different than ubuntu Nate because it does not have many >> applications on it. The major problem I am having is that orca does not >> speak. Espeakup in the command line works but as soon as I go into Nate >> orca although turned on does not work. Anyone have ideas in how to fix >> it. >> >> An help would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Michael maslo >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Arch linux applications and learning
Well, the Bash Beginners Guide, is not a so easy reading for a beginner, IMHO. I recommend The Linux Cookbook from Michael Stutz. there is a printed edition available e.g.@ Amazon, but you can access it on line: http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html Very useful for beginners as well as advanced users. Bash has a lot of features in addition of what is specified by POSIX, that a lot of users won't ever use. If you want to know the features that should be available on any shell compliant to the POSIX specification, read: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html Didier On 13/01/2019 13:27, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > If you want to learn use of the command line, you want to learn how to > use what's called a shell. bash is a good choice these days. There are > others. > > Google for "bash linux" and you'll get results like the following: > > http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/Bash-Beginners-Guide.html > > > If there's a particular task you want to perform from the console > environment, also known as the cli, the options depend on what task > you're interested in learning. For example, if you want to use mail on > the cli, you might want to learn about mutt: > > http://www.mutt.org/ > > > There are tweaks you need to make to mutt's configuration file, .muttrc > in order to use it effectively with console speech like speakup. > > If you want to play audio, try mplayer. > > Etc., etc. > > Janina > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: >> Hello, >> >> I was wondering what applications where are for commend line input for arch >> linux? I know arch cones with a repository but is that for desktop >> environments or is it available for command line? Lastly, where or what >> could I read to learn arch linux? The wiki does not help. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Michael maslo >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Changing grub default tune
I have the following at the end of the /boot/grub/grub.cfg header section, just above the various linux menu entries: play 1920 440 12 330 4 This reflects playing frequency then duration, where 440 is A at 440 cycles per second. Yes, it says not to edit that file by hand, but it actually works and remains stable. hth Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Hi list, > > I wonder if it's possible to change default grub boot menu? > I tried changing option in /etc/default/grub on line GRUB_INIT_TUNE and > update grub but the dboot tune is still a single beep. > > It would be great if I can have unique tune to differentiate with BIOS > boot tune. > > I am using Debian 9 Stretch x64. > > Any help would be appreciated > > Best Regards > -- > Edhoari Setiyoso > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Orca does not speak
And, you may need to figure out how to have both espeakup and speech-dispatcher working at the same time. In my experience they don't like each other very much. It's an old argument we keep having on this, and many related Linux lists. Sad, but true. Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > You may need to install speechdispatcher so screen-reader/orca can use > it to speak. > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:20:53 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Orca does not speak > > > > Hello, > > I tried and installed both mate and gnone. I signed into both desktop and > > had no speech. I verified with my son that orca was turned on. The volume > > sound is heard but orca has no sound. > > > > How do I fix this problem? > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Michael maslo > > > > > On Jan 11, 2019, at 18:44, Linux for blind general discussion > > > wrote: > > > > > > With should I install mate - extra group or just Nate - extra? I > > > installed Nate extra already.. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Michael maslo > > > > > >> On Jan 11, 2019, at 18:34, Linux for blind general discussion > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4 > > >> just once. Then try running screen-reader --replace and see > > >> what happens. That f4 key toggles accessibility on and off so only hit > > >> it once and that should help. > > >> > > >>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:09:04 > > >>> From: Linux for blind general discussion > > >>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > >>> Subject: Orca does not speak > > >>> > > >>> Hello everyone,. I finally have maid installed on my arch system. It > > >>> looks different than ubuntu Nate because it does not have many > > >>> applications on it. The major problem I am having is that orca does not > > >>> speak. Espeakup in the command line works but as soon as I go into Nate > > >>> orca although turned on does not work. Anyone have ideas in how to fix > > >>> it. > > >>> > > >>> An help would be appreciated. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Sincerely, > > >>> > > >>> Michael maslo > > >>> > > >>> ___ > > >>> Blinux-list mailing list > > >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com > > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> Blinux-list mailing list > > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Orca does not speak
Interesting, What does: screen-reader --replace do? Please explain. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > First install the mate-extra group. Next after you start mate, hit f4 > just once. Then try running screen-reader --replace and see > what happens. That f4 key toggles accessibility on and off so only hit > it once and that should help. > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:09:04 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > Subject: Orca does not speak > > > > Hello everyone,. I finally have maid installed on my arch system. It looks > > different than ubuntu Nate because it does not have many applications on > > it. The major problem I am having is that orca does not speak. Espeakup in > > the command line works but as soon as I go into Nate orca although turned > > on does not work. Anyone have ideas in how to fix it. > > > > An help would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Michael maslo > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Arch linux applications and learning
If you want to learn use of the command line, you want to learn how to use what's called a shell. bash is a good choice these days. There are others. Google for "bash linux" and you'll get results like the following: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/Bash-Beginners-Guide.html If there's a particular task you want to perform from the console environment, also known as the cli, the options depend on what task you're interested in learning. For example, if you want to use mail on the cli, you might want to learn about mutt: http://www.mutt.org/ There are tweaks you need to make to mutt's configuration file, .muttrc in order to use it effectively with console speech like speakup. If you want to play audio, try mplayer. Etc., etc. Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Hello, > > I was wondering what applications where are for commend line input for arch > linux? I know arch cones with a repository but is that for desktop > environments or is it available for command line? Lastly, where or what could > I read to learn arch linux? The wiki does not help. > > Thanks in advance > > Sincerely, > > Michael maslo > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
Correction, please. It's one concept of what a consumer might need and want. I reject that it speaks for this consumer. Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > I am sighted and have nothing bad to say about PulseAudio for > my limited use cases. > > If one wants to make one's own opinion instead of relying of > the hearsay by people who don't really know what they are speaking > about, here is a good reading to understand what PukseAudio really > is, can and can't do: > https://gavv.github.io/articles/pulseaudio-under-the-hood/ > > Audiophiles may prefer Jack, which target different needs. > Let's quote the aforementioned article: > > PulseAudio design is focused on consumer audio for desktop and mobile. It > offers seamless device switching, automatic setup of hardware and networking, > and power saving. It can’t guarantee extremely low latency. Instead, it > usually adjusts latency dynamically to provide lower battery usage and better > user experience even on cheap hardware. > > JACK design is focused on professional audio hardware and software. It offers > the lowest possible latency and may connect applications directly to devices > or each other. It doesn’t try to provide the smooth desktop experience to the > detriment of performance or configurability and is targeted to advanced users. > > FYT next Slint upgrade will ship JACK2 in addition to PulseAudio, as well as > apulse, which allows to run an application linked to PulseAudio without it. > > As an example I tried this, knowing that Firefox in Slint is linked to > PulseAudio: > Remove PulseAudio > Install apulse > Type "apulse Firefox" > In Firefox Start a tune from Youtube.com: you will hear it. > Link: https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse > > Best, > > Didier > > > On 11/01/2019 14:04, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. > > > > Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will > > be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that > > installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then > > again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything > > good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the > > lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
Interesting point, Didier. You've got me contemplating rolling my own Firefox, especially if the configuration choices could identify a different audio device, e.g. hw:3 Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > The official binaries of firefox requires pulseaudio. > > However firefox can be built without this requirement. > > As an example Slackware firefox packages do not require pulseaudio. > > So, it all depends what options chose the person who built the package. > > @All: please name yourself in top or bottom of your post, > so we know who is speaking. > > Best, > Didier > -- > Didier Spaier > Slint preject http://slint.fr > > On 11/01/2019 19:46, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > firefox requires pulseaudio. > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general > > discussion wrote: > > > >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:18:05 > >> From: Linux for blind general discussion > >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >> Subject: Re: Desktop environments > >> > >> I thought gnome required pulseaudio or it wouldn't run. Stuff like > >> gstreamer and all the major media players eem to want to pull it in. > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: Linux for blind general discussion > >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:04:44 + > >> Subject: Re: Desktop environments > >> > >>> Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. > >>> > >>> Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will > >>> be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that > >>> installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then > >>> again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything > >>> good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the > >>> lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Blinux-list mailing list > >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
It's worse than that even. Firefox has no concept of multiple audio devices--which is a serious flaw. Imagine how the sighted user world would react to a browser that limited itself to a single video display. But, that's the situation with sound. Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > firefox requires pulseaudio. > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general > discussion wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:18:05 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Desktop environments > > > > I thought gnome required pulseaudio or it wouldn't run. Stuff like > > gstreamer and all the major media players eem to want to pull it in. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:04:44 + > > Subject: Re: Desktop environments > > > > > Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. > > > > > > Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will > > > be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that > > > installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then > > > again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything > > > good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the > > > lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Desktop environments
I'm using stock Gnome these days. Is there reason to use a gui? Well, let me say it this way. It's pretty hard to use the web without a modern accessible browser like firefox. I say this as someone who still uses lynx widely, whenever I can get away with it. hth Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > I apologize. For those using arch linux, what desktop environment do you use > and? If using arch, do you use a gue at all? > > Sincerely, > > Michael maslo > > > On Jan 11, 2019, at 07:04, Linux for blind general discussion > > wrote: > > > > Good to know there are some workarounds for the issues with Pulseaudio. > > > > Still, I'm quite happy without those 200+ megabytes of bloat and will > > be sticking to my strategy of purging Pulseaudio from any system that > > installs it by default until given a reason to actually keep it. Then > > again, I'm not sure I've ever heard even a sighted user say anything > > good about pulseaudio and I'm not even sure what issue with the > > lighter, more mature sound system options its supposed to address. > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Problem installing talking arch
visudo is a command you can execute as root. If you want a particular user to have certain powers, uncomment the appropriate directive, e.g. place your cursor on the # symbol at the beginning of the appropriate line and press the letter x to delete the # symbol. When finished, save and exit. Next, add the appropriate user to the wheel group in /etc/group. Here's what mine looks like: wheel:x:10:root,janina That allows user janina to execute all the powers assigned via visudo. hth Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Hello could someone please tell me how I would go about adding a user using > the commandvisudo? > > Sincerely, > > Michael maslo > > > On Jan 9, 2019, at 09:14, Linux for blind general discussion > > wrote: > > > > Thank you so much. > > Lastly, even looking at the wiki page for installation, it does not explain > > how to set the host name. The tutorial said echo laptop and then it is not > > understandable. > > > > Thank you again so very much for all the help. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Michael maslo > > > >> On Jan 9, 2019, at 08:55, Linux for blind general discussion > >> wrote: > >> > >> If you're in another timezone, search /usr/share/zoneinfo/ directory ls > >> /usr/share/timezone|more and find your timezone in that directory and > >> replace America/New_York with your correct timezone in the ln -s command > >> sent earlier. > >> > >>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >>> > >>> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 09:01:19 > >>> From: Linux for blind general discussion > >>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >>> Subject: Re: Problem installing talking arch > >>> > >>> Thank you very much for this. > >>> > >>> May I ask how to set the local time and lastly how to set the host name? > >>> > >>> Thank you everyone for all of the help. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> Michael maslo > >>> > On Jan 9, 2019, at 05:58, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > cat /etc/fstab should show you the first one. > arch-chroot /mnt /usr/bin/bash works here. > When you run arch-chroot, your first parameter on the command line is > your path and the second is the shell language with path you use in this > case /usr/bin/bash. > On Wed, 9 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 02:52:37 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Problem installing talking arch > > > > Ok everyone, > > > > Thank you for that part. I got past that. The recording is hard to hear > > inn parts plus kyle speeds up as it goes on. I have a few questions > > please. > > > > After typing genfstap you can type cat or something like that to see if > > you did it correctly. The problem is I do not know the word I am > > supposed to riot type to see that. > > > > Secondly, he said to type arch -chroot /mnt /user something I could not > > understand where I am supposed to put the path to. Can I simply put it > > in the mnt directory? > > > > How do I type to set host name? Again I could not hear what he was > > saying. > > > > Lastly, is there a easy way to set the local time. I tried to follow > > the instructions but after typing locale - gen I get a error saying the > > file could not be found. > > > > This is more work than I realized and want to finish off so I can say I > > did it. > > > > Your help would be so greatly appreciated. > > if > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Michael maslo > > > >> On Jan 8, 2019, at 23:32, Linux for blind general discussion > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> Before running "pacman --populate", You should run "pacman-key > >> --refresh-keys". Otherwise it won't work. Make sure the internet > >> connection > >> is up and running and mirrorlist file is already set. > >> > >> HTH. > >> > >> > >> ? ? > >> ?? ??? > >> With best regards, > >> Sergei Fleytin > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com > >> On > >> Behalf Of Linux for blind general discussion > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:19 AM > >> To: Linux for blind general discussion > >> Subject: Re: Problem installing talking arch > >> > >> My guess is, you ran that pacman-key --populate command outside of your > >> chroot environment. If possible first do cd /mnt then > >> pacman-key > >> --populate then run the pacstrap command again. > >> > >>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >>> > >>> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 00:11:16 > >>> From: Linux for blind general discussion > >>> To: blinux-list@redhat.com > >>> Subject:
Re: Changing grub default tune
Linux for blind general discussion, le dim. 13 janv. 2019 13:25:42 +0700, a ecrit: > I wonder if it's possible to change default grub boot menu? > I tried changing option in /etc/default/grub on line GRUB_INIT_TUNE and > update grub but the dboot tune is still a single beep. That should be the proper way, it's odd if it doesn't work. Does it go away if you comment the line? How did you change the option exactly? Samuel ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
