Re: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet?

2014-08-29 Thread Jerry Jongerius
Okay that is interesting, Could I convince you to try to enable SACK on the server and test whether you still see the catastrophic results? And/or try another tcp variant instead of westwood+, like the default cubic. Would love to, but can not. I have read only access to settings on that

Re: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet?

2014-08-29 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Jerry, On Aug 29, 2014, at 13:33 , Jerry Jongerius jer...@duckware.com wrote: Okay that is interesting, Could I convince you to try to enable SACK on the server and test whether you still see the catastrophic results? And/or try another tcp variant instead of westwood+, like the default

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] adoption call: draft-welzl-ecn-benefits

2014-08-29 Thread David Collier-Brown
On 08/29/2014 09:16 AM, Scheffenegger, Richard wrote: Hi Gorry, Given QUIC includes FEC to hide losses, I guess it is a good example to consider whether ECN still offers sufficient benefits over and above just removing losses. GF: And then, isn't the implication of AQM to significantly

Re: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet?

2014-08-29 Thread Jerry Jongerius
A ‘boost’ has never been seen. Bandwidth graphs where there is no packet loss look like: From: Jonathan Morton [mailto:chromati...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:15 PM To: Jerry Jongerius Cc: bloat Subject: RE: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet? If

Re: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet?

2014-08-29 Thread Jerry Jongerius
did you check to see if packets were re-sent even if they weren't lost? on of the side effects of excessive buffering is that it's possible for a packet to be held in the buffer long enough that the sender thinks that it's been lost and retransmits it, so the packet is effectivly 'lost' even

Re: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet?

2014-08-29 Thread Jonathan Morton
A ‘boost’ has never been seen. Bandwidth graphs where there is no packet loss look like: That's very odd, if true. Westwood+ should still be increasing the congestion window additively after recovering, so even if it got the bandwidth or latency estimates wrong, it should still recover full

Re: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet?

2014-08-29 Thread Jerry Jongerius
The additive increase is there in the raw data. From: Jonathan Morton [mailto:chromati...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:31 PM To: Jerry Jongerius Cc: bloat Subject: RE: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet? A ‘boost’ has never been seen. Bandwidth graphs where

[Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-08-29 Thread Aaron Wood
Comcast has upped the download rates in my area, from 50Mbps to 100Mbps. This morning I tried to find the limit of the WNDR3800. And I found it. 50Mbps is still well within capabilities, 100Mbps isn't. And as I've seen Dave say previously, it's right around 80Mbps total (download + upload).

Re: [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-08-29 Thread Rick Jones
On 08/29/2014 09:57 AM, Aaron Wood wrote: Or, we need to find a way to implement the system such that it doesn't max out a 680MHz mips core just to push 100Mbps of data. That's roughly 10K cpu cycles per packet, which seems like an awful lot. Unless the other problem is that the memory bus

Re: [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-08-29 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 09:57:26AM -0700, Aaron Wood wrote: It looks like it's definitely time for a new router platform (for me). Everyone's needs are different, of course, but I've found that having a dual HTPC+router (in the form of a simple little Atom box) works well for me. As a bonus,

Re: [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-08-29 Thread Jonathan Morton
On 29 Aug, 2014, at 7:57 pm, Aaron Wood wrote: Comcast has upped the download rates in my area, from 50Mbps to 100Mbps. FWIW, it looks like the unshaped latency has about halved with the doubling of capacity. That's consistent with the buffer size and (lack of) management remaining the

Re: [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-08-29 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Aaron, On Aug 29, 2014, at 18:57 , Aaron Wood wood...@gmail.com wrote: Comcast has upped the download rates in my area, from 50Mbps to 100Mbps. This morning I tried to find the limit of the WNDR3800. And I found it. 50Mbps is still well within capabilities, 100Mbps isn't. And as

Re: [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-08-29 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Aaron Wood wood...@gmail.com wrote: Comcast has upped the download rates in my area, from 50Mbps to 100Mbps. This morning I tried to find the limit of the WNDR3800. And I found it. 50Mbps is still well within capabilities, 100Mbps isn't. And as I've seen Dave