Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat on 4G Connexion

2019-10-23 Thread David Lang
On Wed, 23 Oct 2019, Rich Brown wrote: I only have a 30,000 foot understanding of this work, but it seems the use of AQL (Airtime Queue Limit) maps better onto the vagaries of 4G/5G radio transmissions than BQL. Specifically, having a measurement of the actual time it takes to transmit a

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat on 4G Connexion

2019-10-23 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Rich Brown writes: >> On Oct 23, 2019, at 5:54 AM,> > wrote: >> >> If you could influence the 4G vendors to de-bloat their equipment, >> would you recommend BQL, L4S or codel/cake? > > I've been enjoying this discussion and wonder whether the work going > on

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat on 4G Connexion

2019-10-23 Thread Rich Brown
> On Oct 23, 2019, at 5:54 AM, > wrote: > > If you could influence the 4G vendors to de-bloat their equipment, would you > recommend BQL, L4S or codel/cake? I've been enjoying this discussion and wonder whether the work going on in the make-wifi-fast

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat on 4G Connexion

2019-10-23 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 23 Oct, 2019, at 10:28 am, > wrote: > > If you could influence the 4G vendors to de-bloat their equipment, would you > recommend BQL, L4S or codel/cake? BQL is a good start, but needs to go with something else to actually fix the problem. All it does is move (most of) the queue out of

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat on 4G Connexion

2019-10-23 Thread Sebastian Moeller
> On Oct 23, 2019, at 09:28, > wrote: > > If you could influence the 4G vendors to de-bloat their equipment, would you > recommend BQL, L4S or codel/cake? IMHO, something like BQL would be great, as would codel/cake in the devices. L4S however, has not been thoroughly tested and hence

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat on 4G Connexion

2019-10-23 Thread David Lang
As I understand it, BQL is pretty much a prereq for anything better, if you treat a 64 byte packet as if it was a 1500 byte packet, everything else is going to fail. fq_codel is the next stage, it keeps large queues from forming, which makes everything work much better. Cake layers on

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat on 4G Connexion

2019-10-23 Thread erik.taraldsen
If you could influence the 4G vendors to de-bloat their equipment, would you recommend BQL, L4S or codel/cake? -Erik Fra: Bloat på vegne av Jonathan Morton Sendt: 22. oktober 2019 23:02 Til: Guillaume ROBIER Kopi: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Emne: