Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-03 Thread Thorsten Behrens
David Nelson wrote:
 My point is that the sysadmins team is perhaps not developing the
 right culture in terms of openness and participation, and that it
 would be good to open it up a bit. This is my 2 cents, others may not
 see things like that, but...
 
Hi David,

I indeed disagree here. The admin team for our central
infrastructure (in contrast to e.g. auxiliary sites, staging systems
etc.) will always be a small  closely-knit team of people, with
lots of mutual trust  ideally personal relations.

There's a fundamental difference between sysadmin and e.g. hacking
work, in terms of accountability, auditability, liability,
reviewability, reversibility  the probability to royally fsck
things up. So applying the same yard stick to both groups will not
work.

Let's meet in Paris  talk things through over a beer though. :)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

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Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think that in the specific case of David it would be smart to invite him to 
join the sys-admin team.  I do appreciate it might not be good to allow 
everyone 
to join as and when they feel like it but David is a significant contributor to 
the docs team in that role.  If he isn't invited to join then out will be 
missing out on a lot of talent there.  Ideally there would be someone from the 
Brazilian Team too to spread the load internationally but i don't know of 
anyone 
in any other team that has shown David's level of commitment and skill in that 
particular type of role.  To be fair i am not on the Brazilian lists so they 
might have someone too. 

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org
To: David Nelson li...@traduction.biz
Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
Sent: Wed, 3 August, 2011 9:36:08
Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

David Nelson wrote:
 My point is that the sysadmins team is perhaps not developing the
 right culture in terms of openness and participation, and that it
 would be good to open it up a bit. This is my 2 cents, others may not
 see things like that, but...
 
Hi David,

I indeed disagree here. The admin team for our central
infrastructure (in contrast to e.g. auxiliary sites, staging systems
etc.) will always be a small  closely-knit team of people, with
lots of mutual trust  ideally personal relations.

There's a fundamental difference between sysadmin and e.g. hacking
work, in terms of accountability, auditability, liability,
reviewability, reversibility  the probability to royally fsck
things up. So applying the same yard stick to both groups will not
work.

Let's meet in Paris  talk things through over a beer though. :)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

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